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Cuchulain posted:I finally got my hands on this game. Now I think I've ruined my character and I'm stuck on Ornstein and Smaug. I really don't want to restart, I can't handle another fresh run through Blighttown. I beat O&S at base warrior stats and stone armor with a +5 Lightning spear. It's pretty much impossible to truly gently caress yourself out of a win in this game, at least until NG+ (gently caress you four kings gently caress YOU) edit: You can also skip pretty much all of Blighttown if you take the Master Key as your gift, so do that.
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Bigass Moth posted:I agree that Demon's Souls is an overall better game. Dark Souls has areas I actually dislike because they are stupid (Lost Izalith), while Demon's had areas I hated because they were hard/unfair (5/1, 5/2) but didn't dislike at all from a design or gameplay standard. Demon's Souls benefits from Less is More, while Dark Souls tries to be a bit too grandscaled.
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I actually feel really bad for the guy I just invaded. He had aggro'd the Black Knight in Burg that hangs around the bottom of the stairs when I came in. Can't imagine what went through his mind when he saw the fog wall. On the other hand his death gave me enough Humanity to get to Darkwraith+2 so he didn't die in vain!
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Sumadartson posted:Ok, what does your character look like atm? Stats? Equipment? Try Ornstein & Smough a couple of times, make sure you can semi-reliably take out one of them. Then, to get extra souls, get summoned and defeat them. Helping someone out with them nets you a neat 15k souls. When I was SL20 I decided not to do Blightown right off the bat and went exploring, and I killed Havel, the Hydra in Darkroot Basin, stole some loot from an apparently undead dragon, kill a large Butterfly, managed to lose 25k souls from Havel and the Hydra to a ghost knight in the woods, watched a girl version of robin hood kill herself to avoid my swing. I finally did Blighttown, then killed the giant horrible monster made of lava with all the extra arms. The problem is I got a Black Knight greatsword off the Black knight right next to the Hellkite Dragon. I decided I was going to use it, so I pumped my strength up to 32. I've got stats all over the place and am at SL52 now. I'm using +5 Elite Knight Chest and Legs, Black Iron gloves, and the hood you can't upgrade from the demon ruins. I've got a +1 Lightning Spear and the Eagle shield from Sen's Fortress. Havel's Ring makes me light enough to have full mobility, I switch off my other ring depending on what I'm doing. I've got +8Pyromancy. I've killed all the demons in the tar pit and all the giants on the roof of Sen's Fortress. I've done every optional thing, as far as I can tell, but I just can't finish this boss fight. Even if I bring Solaire, I always die to the giant lightning AoE that one shots me once they go Voltron. Should I just grind for more Health? My Vitality is less then 20, it feels pretty crippling. GreenAcidRage posted:You can also skip pretty much all of Blighttown if you take the Master Key as your gift, so do that. I have the Master Key, actually. During my exploits around the world, I found the other entrance to Blighttown and decided to go up the ladder instead of going to Blighttown. I was murdered by forest ghosts and lost my precious 25k souls. Oh, two things I've been wondering about. Who makes Fire weapons, and where's the Pyromancy guy in Blighttown? I saw Soapstone makers saying "Pyromancy ahead" and "Here!" on a little island, but nobody is there. Also how the gently caress does Onion Man move so fast? I save him in Anor Londo, and twenty minutes later I'm saving him in Blighttown. Cuchulain fucked around with this message at Oct 25, 2011 around 12:14 |
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Cuchulain posted:I'm using +5 Elite Knight Chest and Legs, Black Iron gloves, and the hood you can't upgrade from the demon ruins. I've got a +1 Lightning Spear and the Eagle shield from Sen's Fortress. Havel's Ring makes me light enough to have full mobility, I switch off my other ring depending on what I'm doing. I've got +8Pyromancy. Have you upgraded your eagle shield? It makes a ton of difference in blocking. I've got a knight's shield at +9 and it's like a portable wall. If you're looking at equipment, get any random sword (or spear), or anything randomly fast, get it to +5, get tons of green titanite (easily farmable from the giant leeches in the swamp near blighttown) and make it a flaming sword +5 at vamos, the blacksmith in the catacombs. Both O&S are vulnerable to fire, it makes the fight a lot easier. I've found that faster weapons are a lot nicer for the O&S fight. Also, once you've done that, you can summon one more white phantom into that fight. It makes it completely trivial.
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Cuchulain posted:Oh, two things I've been wondering about. Who makes Fire weapons, and where's the Pyromancy guy in Blighttown? I saw Soapstone makers saying "Pyromancy ahead" and "Here!" on a little island, but nobody is there. Fire Weapons from the blacksmith in the Catacombs, and the Blighttown Pyro Trainer only appears if you are a bad enough dude.
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Leyburn posted:Fire Weapons from the blacksmith in the Catacombs, and the Blighttown Pyro Trainer only appears if you are a bad enough dude. How bad a dude?  I have a +5 Longsword sitting in my bag waiting to be set on fire, off to the catacombs I go! Or maybe I should kill Lautrec first. But I really hate fighting those Giant paladins in the main cathedral. Decisions, decisions. Sumadartson posted:Have you upgraded your eagle shield? It makes a ton of difference in blocking. I've got a knight's shield at +9 and it's like a portable wall. It's +4 I think. The only attack I have any trouble with is the rear end-slam that kills me if I'm anywhere on the same side of the room as Smaug. It's not as bad is Ornstein is the one who gets it though. May as well give it a try first thing tomorrow.
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NG+ is pretty easy so far. Killed the Gargoyles, Moonlight Butterfly, hydra, and Sif. Everything's a lot easier when you know what to do and what path to take. I've started pumping INT to try out all these sorceries I have and boy are they useful. I've also started actually using my Ascended Pyromancy Flame +5. Why spend my stamina doing a full combo when I could just cast a Great Fireball instead?
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| # ? Oct 25, 2011 12:33 |
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What level do people generally fight O&S again? Not really finding anyone at SL38.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2011 12:37 |
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Chafe posted:What level do people generally fight O&S again? Not really finding anyone at SL38. I was 40 when I did it. There were many people to chose from when I was summoning phantoms. I also decided to help folks out to get humanity and was being summoned quite frequently. I'd get summoned within ten minutes of putting down my sign. Actually, I just realized I've also got a question. I think I'm boned for getting a whip. I was in the painted world and got invaded by that NPC phantom. He ran right for me and as he came close, he leaped in to the air and, I swear to god I think I saw him do a somersault in mid-air, plummeted off the edge of the cliff. He didn't even touch me once. I got souls for "defeating" him, if I can even call it that, but I'm guessing he took his precious items with him? Irsh fucked around with this message at Oct 25, 2011 around 13:03 |
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Sen's fortress was a bitch to get through, but the boss was really easy. On my first try I managed to knock him off the platform for an instant kill!!!
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Cuchulain posted:How bad a dude? I'm not sure anyone knows. You need to have your pyro glove upgraded a certain amount I think. She's behind the pillar to the right if you are facing away from the waterwheel.
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(Regarding the best route to kill Dark Wraiths in New Londo Ruins):The Cheshire Cat posted:Wear the slumbering dragoncrest ring. You'll never have to fight more than one at a time. Quoting this to say thanks, I didn't realize how much this ring ruled. Now I'm a backstabbin' Darkwraith assassin.
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Irsh posted:Actually, I just realized I've also got a question. I think I'm boned for getting a whip. I was in the painted world and got invaded by that NPC phantom. He ran right for me and as he came close, he leaped in to the air and, I swear to god I think I saw him do a somersault in mid-air, plummeted off the edge of the cliff. He didn't even touch me once. I got souls for "defeating" him, if I can even call it that, but I'm guessing he took his precious items with him?
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| # ? Oct 25, 2011 13:12 |
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Ok -- I can't seem to be summoned and I don't see summon markers (other than Solaire's). I am online and see messages and occasionally phantoms and people at bonfires but no white markers! Any ideas? Doesn't have anything to do with being in way of the white right?
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^^^ Thanks for the answer. I'll have to head back there tonight.ultrachrist posted:Ok -- I can't seem to be summoned and I don't see summon markers (other than Solaire's). I am online and see messages and occasionally phantoms and people at bonfires but no white markers! Any ideas? Doesn't have anything to do with being in way of the white right? Are you in human form? You have to use one humanity to reverse hallowing at a bonfire.
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Do NPC phantoms get stronger in NG+? So far I've called Solaire, Lautrec, and Witch Beatrice for boss fights and they didn't seem to take much damage at all.
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Irsh posted:^^^ Thanks for the answer. I'll have to head back there tonight. Yep, human form the whole time usually since I seem to randomly acquire humanity and usually cash it in at the next bonfire I see. I was invaded by a red NPC phantom in the depths and I can summon Solaire (speaking of which, the gaping dragon ate him, is he gone for good?)
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I don't get why the Gravelord covenant gets such a bad rep, it seems like a really fun way to gently caress with other players. Using an item that makes the enemies harder in 3 different players' worlds? Getting half their souls if they die to said enemies? Encouraging enemies to invade you giving you home turf advantage? Sounds like fun to me.
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God dammit, every time I think I have this game beat I get to the next zone and get my rear end kicked. Finally got tired of dying to regular lovely mobs and taking forever to fight bosses, so I traded in my +3 lightning longsword for a +3 lightning zweihander. Man, the difference is ridiculous. Used to hit for 100, maybe 150 on some mobs. Could get a few quick slashes in, but it wouldn't mean much. One hit with the zweihander, one handed? 350 damage. Killed Seath, The Four Kings, the Demon Firesage, Ceaseless Discharge and Demon Centipede. Those giant demon guys in the fire zone with the huge axes? Dead in three hits. Capra demons? Two hits. Loving this sword so much that it makes me want to get the Black Knight weapons and fully upgrade them. I know the BK Greataxe attacks quickly and has great damage, might just give it a try. But then, after I finished my killing spree, I wandered into Lost Izalith for the first time. gently caress this zone, and gently caress those giant undead...uh...chicken things.
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Requested_Username posted:I don't get why the Gravelord covenant gets such a bad rep, it seems like a really fun way to gently caress with other players. Using an item that makes the enemies harder in 3 different players' worlds? Getting half their souls if they die to said enemies? Encouraging enemies to invade you giving you home turf advantage? Sounds like fun to me. because it doesn't work.
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Colon Parenthesis posted:because it doesn't work. Since I'm planning on joining the covenant for the miracles, what exactly doesn't work about it? I'm guessing the matchmaking is wonky as gently caress?
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Dirty Job posted:But then, after I finished my killing spree, I wandered into Lost Izalith for the first time. gently caress this zone, and gently caress those giant undead...uh...chicken things. The one saving grace of that zone is that they don't respawn. Still not worth it, though.
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Lautrec hasn't shown up at the firelink after I offed the bell gargoyles- am I missing something? I just assumed that once you beat them he just shows up (I didn't rescue him =/). Is there something else I have to do?
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areyoucontagious posted:Lautrec hasn't shown up at the firelink after I offed the bell gargoyles- am I missing something? I just assumed that once you beat them he just shows up (I didn't rescue him =/). Is there something else I have to do? Are you checking the area under the bonfire? Sometimes he's just not there. If you reload the area he might show up. Rescuing him is definitely the way to go. He gives you a Sunlight Medal and helps you out for the Gargoyle fight and the Depths boss.
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Miijhal posted:Since I'm planning on joining the covenant for the miracles, what exactly doesn't work about it? I'm guessing the matchmaking is wonky as gently caress? None of the online portions seem to work very well. I've played through the game nearly three times now and the only difference Covenants have made is some easy trophies. I think I got a Gravelords once, it came up with a message about disasters and I went through the level like normal and didn't notice any difference. I broke every covenant I entered and no Spirit of Revenge ever sought me out. I don't think I've ever seen one of the dragon covenant markers. The covenants are a nice idea, but they just doesn't actually work as it stands.
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Eddain posted:Are you checking the area under the bonfire? Sometimes he's just not there. If you reload the area he might show up. Rescuing him is definitely the way to go. He gives you a Sunlight Medal and helps you out for the Gargoyle fight and the Depths boss. Eh, I was just gonna kill him this round anyway. I want his drat ring.
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I hope they patch the duping exploits and broken as hell matchmaking. This game could be so much better if that poo poo actually worked.
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Eddain posted:Are you checking the area under the bonfire? Sometimes he's just not there. If you reload the area he might show up. Rescuing him is definitely the way to go. He gives you a Sunlight Medal and helps you out for the Gargoyle fight and the Depths boss. You can summon him?! EDIT: ^^Well, the patch notes do say they're going to address unlimited item use.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2011 14:29 |
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gravyflood posted:You can summon him?! He's absolutely useless in the fights I found him summonable for (Gaping Dragon), and he's likely to pretty much instantly die.
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DarkArchimedes posted:gently caress those clams. Incidentally, I just tested it, and I accidentally picked up the moss I dropped after picking up the titanite. The game doesn't seem to care as long as you've dropped the new item before you picked up your reward from the previous try. You can also go to the bonfire at the asylum, upgrade your armor and go back and continue glitching more twinkly tits... SUP  WU-TANG CLAN AINT NOTHIN TO gently caress WITH
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Palleon posted:He's absolutely useless in the fights I found him summonable for (Gaping Dragon), and he's likely to pretty much instantly die. Man, I'm glad I got his ring, then. Even if I am just gonna take it off once I find something worth wearing besides Havel's.
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Leyburn posted:None of the online portions seem to work very well. I've played through the game nearly three times now and the only difference Covenants have made is some easy trophies. I think I got a Gravelords once, it came up with a message about disasters and I went through the level like normal and didn't notice any difference. I broke every covenant I entered and no Spirit of Revenge ever sought me out. I don't think I've ever seen one of the dragon covenant markers. I'm currently a Gravelord and will probably try it out for a bit, but I mostly joined for the sweet sword.
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gravyflood posted:Man, I'm glad I got his ring, then. Even if I am just gonna take it off once I find something worth wearing besides Havel's. Why would you want to take it off, it gets better as you level up, I'm not sure there's any other ring in the game that comes close to matching how overpowered it is.
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Elysiume posted:
Same here. Do you get to keep the weapons if you switch covenants?
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^^: I am fairly confident that you do.Palleon posted:Why would you want to take it off, it gets better as you level up, I'm not sure there's any other ring in the game that comes close to matching how overpowered it is.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2011 14:41 |
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You keep everything you earn from a covenant if you leave it. You can also use everything with the exception of the Warrior of Sunlight and Princess Guard covenant Miracles.
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| # ? Oct 25, 2011 14:43 |
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Count Bleck posted:You keep everything you earn from a covenant if you leave it. You can also use everything with the exception of the Warrior of Sunlight and Princess Guard covenant Miracles.
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Palleon posted:He's absolutely useless in the fights I found him summonable for (Gaping Dragon), and he's likely to pretty much instantly die. Gaping Dragon is such a joke anyway, that you could chop down half its health in the time it'd take to wait for the summons. 
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Palleon posted:Why would you want to take it off, it gets better as you level up, I'm not sure there's any other ring in the game that comes close to matching how overpowered it is. Sometimes you're better off with a utility ring than +20% HP/stamina/burden. Rusted Iron Ring for movement on awkward ground, sorcery ring for +spellpower or +spell-duration, backflip ring, stamina regen ring, Hornet Ring for super-backstabs, silence ring for sneaking around, Wolf Ring for extra poise, and don't forget the Fog Ring for when you wanna be a huge jackass.
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