Jaaam posted:

Megalixir posted:

"Do a glitch to counter fundamentally poor game design" is all I hear.

I'm not trashing pvp in general, I just prefer lower levels.

ThePhenomenalBaby posted:

I'm glad Gwyn has a Hades to match his Zeus now (?!)

Veev posted:

His soul item will be used to make the Super-Cursed Greatsword of Artorias, with it's name in game still being just the Greatsword of Artorias

WeaponBoy posted:

You'll have to make the sword once using both the cursed and non-cursed version, then you upgrade it with his souls and it follows the regular +5 upgrade path, so you'll need to kill him 11 times to fully upgrade the Greatsword of Artorias EX Alpha.

EC posted:

The ending has an insane amount of data on parry windows, recovery times, and the total animation times for the various weapons and shields.

Edit: the same guy has a video where he takes on all four kings at once at SL3.

Mr. Self Destruct posted:

Dark Souls is considerably more influenced by/steeped in Germanic/Celtic paganism than Greco-Roman, Gwyn is more akin to an amalgam of Odin and Thor like figures imo. Also his name means White/Holy in I believe Welsh which is very befitting.

Willfrey posted:

So I just picked this game up not to long ago, and lo and behold I now see they are coming out with the extended PC version, though not too big a deal for me I can wait out the extra content DLC being released later next month.

My question is will our existing characters be able to work with the new content or will we have to start all over again?

Allan Assiduity posted:

It's "white", yeah - it's actually a fairly common name over here (as far as Welsh names go), so I forgot that the meaning is actually quite fitting Domnhall of Zena's pretty obviously Welsh, too.

I wonder if there's any other Welsh little things squirrelled away in the game.

Mr. Self Destruct posted:

Dark Souls is considerably more influenced by/steeped in Germanic/Celtic paganism than Greco-Roman, Gwyn is more akin to an amalgam of Odin and Thor like figures imo. Also his name means White/Holy in I believe Welsh which is very befitting.

Kind of weird nitpicking, just idk what if any comparable deities there would be to Hades if they were to go that with that angle, and I sure as hell don't know who or what that concept art might be.

EC posted:

Managed to win a 3v1 fight by being a sneaky bastard and using Chameleon. Killed the host as all three were running past me, by the time the Sunbros ran up they couldn't actually attack anymore. Don't worry, I praised the sun for them.

MZ posted:

I'm having a blast sun-bro'ing in my second playthrough of Dark Souls, really enjoy it more than PvP.

I have nearly finished, next I want to try an INT/FAITH run but I've never really played with either extensively before, any tips?

Jaaam posted:

A couple more interesting bits of concept art, both are in the armour section of the artbook so that's cool.





I tried taking a better pic of Ciaran, but the image is so dark and the page so glossy it just ends up being either black or white hiding poo poo, so that's about as good as I can get it. Hopefully someone will scan all this stuff soon...

EC posted:

Like, both of them at the same time?

Assuming no, here's protips for an INT build*:

*None of this really applies if you're doing a mixed DEX/INT build.

EC posted:

I'm killing time on YouTube instead of being productive, and I came across this video: The Expert's Guide to Parrying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hrh94Dc-h0

The Gripper posted:

As an all-out INT char you can probably just pick up a spear/partizan and work up to enchanted since you can run to get the ember in darkroot without encountering anything you have to fight, at least in the early game. I actually got through most of the game (and probably will finish off with it) without switching it out for anything else, and the only place where I had actual "god drat I'm going to have to melee" moments were Anor Londo, since everything has high health and can block at the drop of a hat mid-cast.

For reference, a +2 enchanted spear with 40-50 int does ~220 damage per hit, which is more than enough to take out almost everything in a few hits. Once you get homing soulmass and soul spear (non-crystal) you can easily farm the golems in darkroot basin for blue titanite; rest at the bonfire in the cave, kill all the golems, suicide in the deep water and repeat.

Also yeah it gets easier once you get Logan's spells (maybe too easy).

EC posted:

Like, both of them at the same time?

Assuming no, here's protips for an INT build*:

- Crown of Dusk and Bellowing Dragin crest is a necessity.
- Sorcerer's catalyst until you hit 40/45 INT, then Logan's. Tin Crystallization is good if you can afford to lose the castings.
- It's very important to pick up every copy of every sorcery you find. Especially the big ones: Soul Spear, Crystal Soul Spear, Homing Soul Mass, and Crystal Soul Mass.
- Moonlight Great Sword is your best friend.
- So is an Enchanted Long Bow with Magic Arrows.
- Make a backup lightning/chaos weapon.
- You're gonna want at least seven or eight attunement slots, so budget accordingly.
- The game is basically melee until you free Logan at the Archives, but after that you'll be spewing blue death at everything.

*None of this really applies if you're doing a mixed DEX/INT build.

MZ posted:

Cool thanks, which is more fun between going for an INT heavy or FTH heavy build?

Paino posted:

So I'm like heh, I've almost finished the game, steamrolled the 4 Kings, I have a +5 Quelaag, Tower shield +10, Black Iron armor, and SL over 70. I'm wrecking poo poo. I open the huge door to Gwyn's cavern and destroy all the dark knights while laughing, thinking "oh well, even Demon's Souls kind of softened at the end".

I go through Gwyn's fog and he charges me. I'm like "bring it on bitch".

And he did.

In 3 hits he burned through my stamina and threw me around like a baby. I am now at 20% health and while I try to recover HP he literally flies at me from 1 mile away and instakills me. I tried again and again and I just got my poo poo pushed in, much deeper.

Quick question: is this one of those situations where From basically forces you either to play co-op or to tear your eyeballs out? Like, I don't know, Ornstein and Smough?

tractor fanatic posted:

He's actually really easy to parry.

Paino posted:

Well not for me I guess. He's incredibly aggessive, he has a shitload of different moves, attack speed is super fast, his reach is ridiculous, and he can insta-charge whenever the gently caress he wants.

I've been hit once by a black knight in 4 Gwyn tries so no they don't really give any practice for Gwyn to be honest. He reminds me of Flamelurker. On steroids.

Paino posted:

Well not for me I guess. He's incredibly aggessive, he has a shitload of different moves, attack speed is super fast, his reach is ridiculous, and he can insta-charge whenever the gently caress he wants.

I've been hit once by a black knight in 4 Gwyn tries so no they don't really give any practice for Gwyn to be honest. He reminds me of Flamelurker. On steroids.

EC posted:

Block his first hit, parry his second.

Alternatively, summon Solaire and his presence will piss Gwyn off so much that you'll be ignored.

You...you did save Solaire, didn't you?

Paino posted:

Paino posted:

Oh and one more thing. Is melee still viable later on?

Paino posted:

I honestly can't remember. I haven't been playing DS for a long time, I think Solaire is alive but couldn't swear on it. I was in spirit form when I tried Gwyn, so maybe I'll retry with some humanity. Which is gonna be hilarious if I get invaded, because I'm pretty rusty.

MoonwalkInvincible posted:

Everything is viable forever.

Except maybe for pure fat-rolling/no-rolling builds once you get into some of the higher NG+ levels, like NG+10 or something where even many weak enemies will do most of your health with one hit. Even then there's probably someone crazy enough to make it work.

But yeah, melee never really stops being good.