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RBA Starblade posted:As a warrior, am I ever going to use magic/miracles? I've never even seen a trainer for one, but I am curious how they'd work out. My faith and intelligence are both under 11 at the moment though. You meet a trainer for miracles pretty early on, he's just hanging out in the Firelink shrine. For sorcery/pyromancy, you have to rescue the trainers first (both of them are fairly easy to find if you look around - they're in the first few areas you're going to visit). Your starting class really only determines your beginning stats and equipment; you aren't tied to that role at all if you want to branch out. I'd recommend at least picking up some pyromancy, since lots of them have no intelligence requirement to use (though int does affect their damage). Grab enough attunement for 2 slots (which is like, 12 or something), and that gives you a nice fallback for enemies that are really resistant to your weapons. It's really easy to just put a casting item as a secondary in one of your hands, and then pop it out to throw a few spells. The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at Oct 10, 2011 around 01:22 |
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If anyone shares their hatred of Ornstein and that fat gently caress with me, I'll be on for a while helping with them. I've gotten pretty good I must say. Name's FavorableOdds.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:You meet a trainer for miracles pretty early on, he's just hanging out in the Firelink shrine. For sorcery/pyromancy, you have to rescue the trainers first. I know the miracle trainer is in Firelink, but you have to enter his covenant to get them don't you? Is it a big deal if I accept it then immediately ditch it when I get another one? I'm aiming for gravelords. Thanks for the info on spellcasting, too. Where are the trainers to rescue? I know they're at the undead parish/burg but I'm unsure where.
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rizuhbull posted:Where's that? gently caress, I need a map. This game is so confusing and I can't remember names for poo poo! Demon's Souls had 1-1, 3-2, etc. This you're hosed.
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Man, what a game. I've been going at it pretty hard this weekend. I farmed a lot in Anor Londo and got to Soul Level 65, with a full set of Silver Knight armor at +2, a +5 Black Knight Halberd, and a +5 Black Knight Greatsword, along with whichever Crest shield I needed at the time (the Crest shields are particularly resistant against specific damage types). Normally in a game when you farm for 2-3 hours you are significantly ahead of the power curve. Not here. I walked by a pair Hollow Soldier in the Parish, and they jumped at me and comboed me for half my life despite my Silver Knight armor and 25 Vitality. However, that farming did pay off when I went to get Artorias' Covenant (it's a ring not a Covenant) so that I could do New Londo. I walked in to Sif's room with a Stone Greatshield (68ish Stability) and my +5 Black Knight Halberd (345 Attack + another 180 from it's Str Parameter Bonus) and proceeded to easily block his attacks and kill him in 4 hits. Made his soul into the sexiest shield in the game, Artorias' Greatshield. 88 Stability and great all around resists. Now I have the perfect offense and the perfect defense. The second half of the game is crazy though. The difficulty goes wayyyy up. I found Duke's Archives to not be that bad, but the boss is brutal(Hope you like Curse). Tomb of the Giants was SO PAINFUL (especially getting the Large Divine Ember, 5 Giant Skeletons in a TINY rear end ROOM: Good loving Luck, I ended up just suiciding to get it) but the boss was really easy for me, since I could just block everything he did and I killed him in like 10 hits. This game is so good, I can't wait to try out different characters or play Online (I wanted to do an offline run through first).
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LoG posted:Question: Are thief/backstabby type characters viable in Dark Souls or are they gimped like Demon's Souls? I know this thread is moving fast but could anyone please answer this?
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RBA Starblade posted:I know the miracle trainer is in Firelink, but you have to enter his covenant to get them don't you? Is it a big deal if I accept it then immediately ditch it when I get another one? I'm aiming for gravelords. You actually don't need to enter the covenant to learn miracles. He'll offer to let you join, but if you refuse, you can just talk to him again a few times and he'll give you a menu where "purchase items" is one of the options (that's where he sells you miracles). The locations of dudes to rescue: Pyromancy: He's in a side room in the Depths - in the area that looks like a really nasty kitchen. Sorcery: He's in a locked room in the lower undead Burg - you'll hear him calling out for help if you get near the door. You need the residence key from the merchant in the beginning to open the door - the master key doesn't work. You won't meet either of them until after ringing the first bell, but you can find both of them very soon after that. LoG posted:I know this thread is moving fast but could anyone please answer this? I don't want to say they're GREAT, but they do seem to be more viable than in Demon's Souls. Much more of the enemies in Dark Souls are capable of being backstabbed/riposted. Even some really tough minibosses are vulnerable to them, like the giant club guy or the various knights. You will probably want to have a more heavy hitting weapon to use against bosses though.
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LoG posted:I know this thread is moving fast but could anyone please answer this? You might not have a good time fighting mobs that cant be back stabbed like bosses and starting out a speed base character if you aren't used to riposte will be a pain. Its still viable though!
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LoG posted:I know this thread is moving fast but could anyone please answer this? I'm not terribly far into the game yet, but I can't say that I see any difference between such a character in this vs. my experience with Demon's Souls.
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Honestly all you need is a decent amount of END and a good upgraded shield and you should be able to handle anything within reason. Also there really should be some database that shows average SL of players for a given boss/zone so I know how much I can push the grind.
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I heard loud snoring over by the pool in Firelink Shrine, but could not find where it was coming from. This is after ringing the first bell. What just happened? Edit: Also, there's an item on top of the highest building on Firelink shrine. If you step off the elevator early you can land on the roofs near it, but it's still too high to reach. How do you get this?
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RBA Starblade posted:As a warrior, am I ever going to use magic/miracles? I've never even seen a trainer for one, but I am curious how they'd work out. My faith and intelligence are both under 11 at the moment though.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The locations of dudes to rescue: Just made the spear from the spear boss dude's soul. With C/B/-/B scaling, and I am seriously considering trying it, considering my goal was to make a faith heavy paladin sort of dude. My idiot only has an int of 8. With 24 str and 24 dex requirements, it isn't too outrageous to actually get equipped.
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Smelly posted:Where the hell am I supposed to go in Late game spoiler:Lost Isolith? Everywhere I go is a dragon that's going to destroy me. Run for it, seriously. Those things are not worth your time. One of the roots on the far left should lead you upwards into the next section. There is a hidden bonfire in the first section. It's located at the second big pillar buildings. Its wall at the left side is destructible.
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LoG posted:I know this thread is moving fast but could anyone please answer this? I've been playing one. Basically you will destroy all the normal enemies (your dagger stunlocks most and will 1-2 hit backstab kill, and every third hit makes them bleed for 1/3 their max HP I think). The only downside is enemies that are resistant to being hitstunned and enemies you can't backstab...and bosses. I used my dagger up until just before ringing the second bell then switched to a katana +7 which is ridiculous, so as long as you don't mind mixing it up a little you should be fine.
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Rollersnake posted:I heard loud snoring over by the pool in Firelink Shrine, but could not find where it was coming from. This is after ringing the first bell. What just happened? Go ring the second bell. You'll see.
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Merauder posted:I'm not terribly far into the game yet, but I can't say that I see any difference between such a character in this vs. my experience with Demon's Souls. I was afraid of that. Thanks for the input.
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LoG posted:I know this thread is moving fast but could anyone please answer this? I'm pretty far through the game and there's not much reason I see why a backstabby character wouldn't work. There's a few enemies I've either been unable to locate the sweet spot for or that don't have one, but those are what I'm running into now. By the time you reach that point, you should have a variety of strategies and gear to support them. The one truth I have found is that dodging is (almost) never a bad strat, but they will occasionally put you in situations where you can't, and you will need a different approach.
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I wanna make sure I have the weapon upgrade system down in this one. Titanite shards to upgrade the base weapons to +5, then you ascend them to one of 4(?) different damage types using embers, right? Then do you use those embers to upgrade the weapon from +1 to +10?
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LoG posted:I was afraid of that. Thanks for the input. I mean, I've spent the whole game at medium encumbrance, and still done ok at dodging, so if you're willing to keep your gear light I imagine dodging would be even easier
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Unknown_PC posted:Run for it, seriously. Those things are not worth your time. One of the roots on the far left should lead you upwards into the next section. Cool thing about those guys is they hurt their buddies a lot when they attack. If you get up on one of the buildings, or by the entrance, you can pull a few towards you and they'll kill each other trying to attack you. Also they don't respawn once killed.
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Filthy Monkey posted:How about more miracle trainers? I am 56, and the only miracles I know I learned from the starting dude. How can I snag some more? I'm not sure; I'm not terribly far into the game yet (just rang both bells, now I'm going into the catacombs just because I can). I think more miracles just come from joining specific covenants. The wiki doesn't mention any other trainers.
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LoG posted:I was afraid of that. Thanks for the input. There are options to go heavily into dex though. Just don't plan on backstabbing bosses. Katanas and thrusting weapons are both solid choices. Plus backflipping in ninja garb + katana = nerd boner.
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DeathSandwich posted:So I'm grinding up my strength to 46 using the darkroot exploit so I can one hand the demon axe. This should be fun. What exactly is the darkroot exploit? I used up the most of my levels so far getting my dex and str to 20 so I could use the Black Knight Sword and now I'm needing to grind out some souls to raise my vit and end.
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Phantom Spaceman posted:What exactly is the darkroot exploit? I used up the most of my levels so far getting my dex and str to 20 so I could use the Black Knight Sword and now I'm needing to grind out some souls to raise my vit and end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbFjdnYP9S4
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I wanna make sure I have the weapon upgrade system down in this one. No, the embers enable the blacksmiths to upgrade them to different types. Different ores actually do the upgrading. http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Upgrades#Boss
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Awesome. I played my Demon's Souls pretty much exclusively with a Wanderer dex build so I'm used to dodging and ripostes and all of that. Thanks again for the info.
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LoG posted:I know this thread is moving fast but could anyone please answer this? That said, in a more general way, dex characters I would say are probably comparatively stronger than str based characters. Demons souls you wound up a lot of times just using the biggest highest damage weapon you can find (meat cleaver, large sword of moonlight, regalia) because enemies really didn't dodge or block in any significant fashion outside of world 1. In dark souls there are a lot of enemies that will block you, dodge you, riposte you. With the bigger and slower weapons it's a lot easier for them to just tumble around you and slap you around. The dex focused weapons (pretty much any curved blade, piercing sword, and spear) are faster, don't soak up nearly the endurance of the big weapons, and they are actually capable of doing very respectable damage. Most of the later enemies won't die in one hit anyway no matter how big of a fuckoff axe you have. Riposting/backstabbing in general are a lot more useful in this game compared to demons souls because there are a lot more enemies you can riposte/backstab. They even increased the parry window for shields and daggers. Greatshields are basically a thing of the past unless you have 40+ strength and don't mind hauling around 10wt worth of shield and never parrying ever again. *edit* For reference, my main character right now is pretty much pure fuckoff high strength with as big of a weapon as possible. My thief that is soul level 20ish feels a lot more consistently powerful than my str guy was at her level.
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Unknown_PC posted:Run for it, seriously. Those things are not worth your time. One of the roots on the far left should lead you upwards into the next section. Yeah, I haven't gone any further in, but I did find out that they can kill each other, so here's hoping I can get them stuck somewhere together.
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I wanna help with some bosses, whats a good place to drop a summon for level 28?
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Also my mom only lets me spend five bucks a month to get my cool gaga avatars back so I guess I'm stuck with this one for a while.
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gently caress Blighttown. I just slowly worked my way to the very bottom, over an hour, just to die to poison and start all the way the gently caress at the top again. gently caress Blighttown.
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Welp. I just completed the Undead Asylum starting area without dying. I'm proud of myself, though I feel nauseous from the stress of playing this game. D: I'm scared to go further.
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Why in the world would they make those Capra Demons respawn 
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Bad Bromance posted:I wanna help with some bosses, whats a good place to drop a summon for level 28?
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Okay, so, I just rang the second bell, then I went down into the Demon Ruins, killed Ceaseless Discharge, and I joined the Spider Covenant even though I acidentally killed the eggsac guy who speaks to you, as I am a pyromancer and want sweet fire magics. So, is there a shortcut out of this bitch, or am I stuck making my way back through Blighttown? Because gently caress that. Also, there is a dead end in the area with the White Spider and her bonfire, and the orange messages say it is a illusory wall, but I cannot pass it. It does look suspicious, anyone know what is up there?
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Reacean posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbFjdnYP9S4 Thanks for that. Hilarious.
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Mordiceius posted:Welp. I just completed the Undead Asylum starting area without dying. I'm proud of myself, though I feel nauseous from the stress of playing this game. D: Yes, but did you kill the Asylum Demon with your bare hands? You're not a real man until you've done that. Possibly while naked.
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Bobnumerotres posted:Why in the world would they make those Capra Demons respawn
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I summoned a guy and the Knight, got the axe and the victory! +5 Winged Spear with Gold Pine Resin was pretty solid. edit: The axe bends  BELLS RUNG: 1/2 Elysiume fucked around with this message at Oct 10, 2011 around 01:43 |
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Reacean posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbFjdnYP9S4 Oh god that's hilarious! On a similar note, I spoke to the cat-lady-thing there and answered no to her question, and now she's calling me a catnip or something. Have I buggered any chance on joining the forest covenant or do I just need a reboot?
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