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MZ posted:Hmm, interesting, I'll give this a go. I tried the other method above a bunch of times but it just isn't doing it for me. Alternatively you can skil the Capra demon and come back and kick the poo poo out of him later for the depths key... if you don't necessarily need the ember from the depths.
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gravyflood posted:Welp, just joined the Darkmoons. I had some luck in Painted World at that level but be aware that the blue eye orb is not nearly as reliable as the red one. Though winning as a Darkmoon has a more satisfying message. THE GUILTY PAY THE PRICE
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That is an awesome message, but for me nothing will ever top the lost majesty of YOU DEFEATED.
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Chard posted:That is an awesome message, but for me nothing will ever top the lost majesty of YOU DEFEATED. Every time I see Victory Achieved I die a little inside. Not as much as not seeing Shine Get in Super Mario Sunshine, though. Why do game devs hate the best Engrish?
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RabidWeasel posted:Every time I see Victory Achieved I die a little inside. Not as much as not seeing Shine Get in Super Mario Sunshine, though. Why do game devs hate the best Engrish? It never really seemed like Engrish to me, it just felt like it fit in with the theme of all the other messages: "You Died", "You Recovered", etc.
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Chard posted:That is an awesome message, but for me nothing will ever top the lost majesty of YOU DEFEATED. Came in to post this; just patched and hopped into the game after not playing for a month and was supremely disappointed by the new message.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 00:51 |
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Hey what's up with logan's hat? At max level it's only supposed to give 65 or so magic resist but it actually gives almost double that and gives me 355 total magic resist. Bug or feature?
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ThePhenomenalBaby posted:Hey what's up with logan's hat? At max level it's only supposed to give 65 or so magic resist but it actually gives almost double that and gives me 355 total magic resist. Bug or feature? Are you using Moonlight Greatsword too? Maybe you equipped them at the same time because the greatsword increases magic defense by 50.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 01:08 |
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well that explains that
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 01:13 |
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gravyflood posted:Welp, just joined the Darkmoons. The orb ignores lower level limits to some degree so you can be a little more liberal in your chosen spot. At 55, I found Blighttown the best. I assume lots of people off the Dark Woodgrain ninja on their way to Quelaag. The swamp is a pain mind, so I recommended using it a little into Quelaag's Domain and moving up to the entrance with some binoculars. You can see for miles. Half a dozen times the guilty was chatting with Quelana, so you can have plenty of fun with that.
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neetz posted:The orb ignores lower level limits to some degree so you can be a little more liberal in your chosen spot. At 55, I found Blighttown the best. I assume lots of people off the Dark Woodgrain ninja on their way to Quelaag. While acceptable, the best place to invade, period, is Sen's Fortress. So many chances to be a huge dick.
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Schwartzcough posted:Alternately, go human and summon a phantom or two. As long as you can survive the first couple seconds, it's nearly impossible to die with a decent phantom for backup. And yet a couple people managed to do just that today when they summoned me.  One was a complete moron, though. He went through the fog door while I was still being summoned...I barely got into the room with Capra and he died. Just wait! The second guy just got unlucky...the demon would not attack me, kept on him the whole time, and eventually his stamina, then his life, gave out before I could kill the drat thing. Now I'm trying, unsuccessfully, to get summoned to help with Gargoyles. Lvl 21 should be spot on. Am I putting my summon sign in the wrong spot? I put it right outside the fog door, but I recall seeing some people have theirs in the first level of the church...so maybe people get to mine, already have someone else summoned, and then summon the Sunbro as their second?
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DrBouvenstein posted:And yet a couple people managed to do just that today when they summoned me. Put it either at the base of the stairs next to the firelink shortcut, or outside the church near the path to Andrei the blacksmith
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So for the skeletons I've heard you want a divine weapon - to get this to you just upgrade a normal weapon via Andrei using Green Titanite, or is there another way to get one? Also if you ascend a weapon are there any negatives that would make you want to descend it later?
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Instead of doing NG+ on my plain battle axe pyromancer, I decided to roll up a new warrior with the plan to go heavy armor and heavy weapons melee, no magic/miracles. The first black knight in the burg dropped a black knight sword. I just got the stats to one-hand it, and proceeded to kill the nearby titanite demon with five jump strikes. Holy poo poo, I'm a convert.
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actionjackson posted:So for the skeletons I've heard you want a divine weapon - to get this to you just upgrade a normal weapon via Andrei using Green Titanite, or is there another way to get one? Also if you ascend a weapon are there any negatives that would make you want to descend it later? To get a Divine weapon, you first raise a weapon to +5 normal (using regular titanite shars) and then have Andrei ascend it to Divine (which will upgrade with green titanite shards). Unless you're doing a faith build, Divine weapons aren't going to serve you well outside of the Catacombs, so there are downsides. Later in the game the cost to raise a new weapon from nothing to +5 normal is peanuts, so the only reason you're going to want to descend is if it's the only weapon of that kind you own and don't want to switch to a different one or farm drops.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 04:00 |
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Alternatively you can grab the Occult Club you find in Anor Londo and downgrade it Divine +5.
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1h black knight sword is awesome, it's been carrying me through so much (R2 is bullshit though). Also, question, why do people suggest the hollow soldier shield over (instead of) the balder shield? At least before upgrading, the balder shield has significantly more stability (by like 5 or 6); does the hollow soldier shield go up faster and have a higher max? Or have I misread something and missed the shield people are actually talking about?
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Eej posted:Alternatively you can grab the Occult Club you find in Anor Londo and downgrade it Divine +5. Well, that's the best argument against doing the Catacombs early I've ever seen. I totally wasted the rest of my post-+5 Divine Morning Star green titanite on making a Fire Whip too. 
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zachol posted:1h black knight sword is awesome, it's been carrying me through so much (R2 is bullshit though). Hollow Soldier Shield used to be literally the best medium shield until the latest patch which brought its Stability down in line with other mediocre shields. Balder Shield is pretty good except for the resists while Silver Knight Shield is the all around best Medium Shield. Aside from being heavy as poo poo, anyway.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 04:18 |
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Good to know. For some reason I read a bunch of the early parts of the thread so I've probably got a few wrong ideas still.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 04:20 |
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Sometimes it seems like networking just takes a poo poo in the game, been sitting in quelaags for 30 mins with eye of death active with no red or blue phantoms. I still see all the messages but no one wants to connect for some reason. Still even see grey phantoms. Also finally got a successful gravelording session in the depths, had a few blue guys invade that were normal leveling dudes, one in a board helmet with a halberd and some guy in knight armor. Killed both before being invaded by red phantom #40k with lightning shotel and heavy backflip armor.
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Tortolia posted:Instead of doing NG+ on my plain battle axe pyromancer, I decided to roll up a new warrior with the plan to go heavy armor and heavy weapons melee, no magic/miracles. I was a convert after a plunging attack did 1528 damage to the Taurus Demon. And then the Black Knight afterwards dropped the Black Knight Greatsword, which I may or may not switch to. Also, the Cyboarg dropped the Fang Boar Helm, so I'm pretty much as giddy as I can possibly be about this one.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 04:29 |
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Thanks for the replies, I'm hoping to get this from Gamefly soon. Seems like a game where you either fall in love with it or you give up pretty quickly.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 04:32 |
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Well I did something really stupid tonight. I wanted to save Solaire on this playthrough so I gave the Chaos covenant 30 souls. I had 20 to begin with and had to grind the last 10. Once I finished giving the maiden the souls I was like "well, now that that's done, better go instantly back to Kaathe so I can use my red eye orb again!!" The second I rejoined the darkwraith covenant I thought "hmm... you know, I should have actually looked at the shortcut door to make sure it opened before leaving the covenant." Twenty minutes later, I'm endlessly grinding baby skeletons in the tomb of the giants for 30 more humanity.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 04:36 |
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You have to clear your way past all the Capras to open the shortcut door manually. You even use the animation that you use for opening the Darkwood Garden door!
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The Betrayer posted:I was a convert after a plunging attack did 1528 damage to the Taurus Demon.
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Polo-Rican posted:Well I did something really stupid tonight. I wanted to save Solaire on this playthrough so I gave the Chaos covenant 30 souls. I had 20 to begin with and had to grind the last 10. 2h Halberd R1 is the best for baby slaying. actionjackson posted:So for the skeletons I've heard you want a divine weapon - to get this to you just upgrade a normal weapon via Andrei using Green Titanite, or is there another way to get one? Also if you ascend a weapon are there any negatives that would make you want to descend it later? Skeletons also break apart when hit with most clubs so if you're making a custom de-skeleton-er I suggest buying a "Reinforced Club" from that first merchant and making that Divine +5 or whatever. The big skeletons and the skeleton wheels don't rez so you can use your normal weapons on them, the club will only be for the first bit of the Catacombs. It's not really worth making a divine weapon just for that IMO so if you want to try it out just get that Occult Club that you can find in Anor Londo and downgrade it one step and you have a Divine +5 Club for the cost of no shards and a little Anor Londo hassle (it's in the downstairs part with the four chests and a mimic). Sheep-Goats fucked around with this message at Dec 15, 2011 around 04:59 |
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Polo-Rican posted:Well I did something really stupid tonight. I wanted to save Solaire on this playthrough so I gave the Chaos covenant 30 souls. I had 20 to begin with and had to grind the last 10. You shouldn't need a full 30 more humanity. Usually leaving a covenant and rejoining will just drop you down one rank. I even left the Chaos covenant, rejoined in NG+, and didn't have to give any more humanity to be able to open the door again. It's probably too late for you, but you should try rejoining and see if the door will open.
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Schwartzcough posted:You shouldn't need a full 30 more humanity. Usually leaving a covenant and rejoining will just drop you down one rank. I even left the Chaos covenant, rejoined in NG+, and didn't have to give any more humanity to be able to open the door again. It's probably too late for you, but you should try rejoining and see if the door will open. IMO if you're going to farm the babies you might as well stock up on as much humanity as you think you're going to want for that character anyway. Because otherwise you'll just be making another long trip down there later.
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Kuvo posted:I'm around SL90, these are off the top of my head. Are you married to the idea of using the Artorias sword? I ask because. especially in PvP, an elemental claymore is much better. You could raise your STR for the Black Knight Greataxe, or INT for Crystal Magic Weapon, or Faith for Wraith of God which are all good PvP options. Pretty much any character can do well in PvP with 40 VIT and END and a maxed out elemental weapon so it doesn't much matter.
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I'm going to make a character using DEX scaling, I'm planning on ending up with either +15 Uchi or Iaito. I want to use RoFaP, flip ring, and Mask of the Mother, and end up with 45 DEX. Other than that I have no preference for items. Any build suggestions?
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I just started a dex build myself. I'm planning to go... Wanderer start Vit 50 Attunement 12 - 23 (23 if I go pyro) End 40 Str 14 Dex 40 (45 seems like a waste, I know that's the casting speed cut off but for scaling 40 is fine) Int 15 (for Oolacile's Catalyst GMW buffs) There's a point left over, more if you leave attunement low. Some weapons I plan to use are Falchion, Iato, Uchi, Claw, Great Scythe, Ricard's Rapier, and probably one of the spears. The GMW is just a back up. I think this build will put out solid numbers without it. I plan to pick it up early though so I can stick with non-elemental weapons for the whole play through and back stuff up with GMW for PvE (since I don't see myself pushing dex above 20 or so until very late).
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oneliquidninja posted:I just started a dex build myself. I'm planning to go... How does GMW w/ an Oolacile compare to resins? If you drop the Int to 12 you can get the 45 for max cast speed, and iirc scaling doesn't stop entirely at 40, just drastically loses effectiveness. I haven't used casted buffs before, though, so GMW may be way better than I think. I'm just smitten with the idea of 99 fire or poison resins.
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Zizzyx posted:How does GMW w/ an Oolacile compare to resins? If you drop the Int to 12 you can get the 45 for max cast speed, and iirc scaling doesn't stop entirely at 40, just drastically loses effectiveness. I haven't used casted buffs before, though, so GMW may be way better than I think. I'm just smitten with the idea of 99 fire or poison resins. I'm not sure what resins do but GMW w/ Oolacile is 198. And yeah, scaling doesn't stop at 40 but you're going to get like 2 more damage out of those last 5 points (total, so like half a point or less per stat point invested). It's pretty bad. e: Oh and for PvE Balder Side Sword is ridiculous. I skipped grabbing the drake sword and have just been upgrading that thing and my Scimitar so far. Both are at +5. I put regular Magic Weapon on the Balder Side Sword with just my 15 int and base catalyst and did Gargoyle's, Butterfly, and the Hydra. About to try for that golden golem so I can get Oocile's Catalyst. oneliquidninja fucked around with this message at Dec 15, 2011 around 06:36 |
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Some google says Gold Pine is 150, Charcoal is 80, so they're not incredible. Looks like I'll be snagging the sorcery after all.
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I guess I'll share this PvP build I've been playing for awhile since it kind of relies on buffing and is a different way to make a dex build: Dex/Faith Darkmoon Blade Cleric SL 130 VIT: 40 ATT: 19 END: 40 STR: 24 DEX: 35 RES: 11 INT: 8 FAI: 35 RH1: +15 Estoc/+5 Dragonslayer Spear RH2: +5 Quelaag's Fury Sword/Nothing (to save weight for the spear) LH1: +15 Grass Shield LH2: Canvas Talisman (its still better than the DMB one with my stats and +2 rank) Spells: 1 Darkmoon Blade, 1 Sunlight Blade, 2 Wrath of God, 1 Greater Magic Barrier Poise: 59 +5 Gargoyle Helm +5 Silver Knight Torso Smough's Gloves +5 Silver Knight Leggings Flip Ring/RoFaP (the best ring combo) This being like my 5th PvP character the idea was to use a build that countered the usual PvP mainstays, like claymore and BKGA movesets, while also being good at both invading and hosting. So an Estoc is very good against weapons that are slower than it, especially with a character with both speed and poise. While buffed the Estoc hits like a truck but won't stagger anyone worth a poo poo, so you have to be fast and able to take a hit or two. I've got a +15 Uchi and a +5 Silver Knight Sword I use sometimes just for variety, but overall the Estoc is most effective. I keep Quelaag's as backup since its pretty good with this build, and low weight but I switch it up with a +5 Light. Washing Pole too. Greater Magic Barrier shuts down mages/Moonlight sword users and WoG is good against anyone. But I have a bit of a problem relying on these low damage weapons that require buffing. The problem being that I like to host a lot, and this character is a lifelong DMB so I won't have access to the Red Eye Orb. Now the Blue Eye Orb is fairly reliable in certain places so I can still get invasions and weapon buffs are good for invasions because, by playing aggressively, you can end fights before the buff is up and be restored when the invasion ends. But its kind of annoying while hosting because after two invaders I'm out of buffs. So the Dragonslayer Spear is my main non buffed weapon, but its quickly becoming my main weapon overall. The Dragonslayer Spear loving owns. You will never see a BKGA user look more pathetic than when you're poking the poo poo outta him from just outside his range as his attacks flail around harmlessly. Its moveset is pretty basic with the R1s being simple (but effective) pokes and the R2s being mostly useless. The rolling R1 is a real gem as it comes out fast and has a deceivingly large hitbox. I also like to use the 2handed R2 (just the first part not the combo) when someone is standing up from a backstab. The spear will stagger someone with medium poise after several pokes and it can bash on shields all day. Overall its best used 2handed to maximize reach and speed. My build is a little high leveled but I wanted an extra +5 in Dex and Faith for a little edge. You could also make the case that 24 Str isn't needed for the Dragonslayer Spear since its best used 2handed anyways and 16 Str is a good cutoff point. While that's true I've found that WoG and 1handing the spear work well together since if they block the WoG and get staggered you can poke them before they can recover for guaranteed damage. Also this build doesn't really have to be a DMB since Sunlight Blade is pretty decent on its own. All in all out of the 5 or so PvP builds I've tried this is the one I win most consistently with. Jesus that turned into a lot of words. I'm trying not to play the game so much anymore too avoid getting burnt out. Its not going so well 
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Sounds like a fun build Volitaire. I dueled someone last night that was using Havel's Shield and a Demon's Spear. He'd back himself into the corner by the fog door and the wall to prevent me from getting around him and I went 0 for 2 or 3 against that guy inspite of trying to dead angle him with my Great Scythe. I'm not sure what the rest of his load out was. I never got a chance really to see his armor because of how hard he was turtling. He had mask of the father on and I think the paladin set underneath it. I wonder how effective the leo ring is on such a build (or an Estoc/Dragonslayer build for that matter). I've considered a shield + spear build for awhile but haven't gotten around to trying one. Not sure if I'd want to go Havel's Shield like the guy I fought last night or Artorias.
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Volitaire posted:Jesus that turned into a lot of words. I'm trying not to play the game so much anymore too avoid getting burnt out. Its not going so well I wouldn't worry too much about burnout. Even if you DO play a bit too much, you'd be surprised how much worse you get in the span of a month. I binged on Skyrim for about three weeks, thought I was getting sick of games, and then ended up doing a straight 30~ hour Int build run and having a blast re-learning Dark Souls. It has enough of an edge that you'll won't be completely burned out on it for long. Nice build, too. If you're looking for ways to shave off some levels, you could take a few points off of Endurance and Vitality. Not too much mind, but having a RoFaP on helps a lot more than you'd think and you wouldn't be losing much if you're running 37~ Vit/End instead of 40.
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Whats the benefit for occult weapons over divine, other than better faith scaling
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