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homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Mercury Crusader posted:

I've yet to play Demon's Souls, and am kind of interested in this game. As somebody who plays a lot of games such as "Ghosts 'n Goblins" and more recently stuff like "Dungeons of Dredmor," and thus loves playing games where I die constantly, is this game right for me? The only barrier I can think of that would detract would be controls, as I do enjoy that "simple-to-learn, impossible-to-master" design of game. Are the controls for either game that elaborate?

You picked pretty much the two best games to compare it to, because its often compared to oldass NES platformers like Castlevania and Ghosts'n Goblins, and it has sort of the same reward structure as roguelikes (but arguably less punishing).

# ¿ Sep 28, 2011 05:00

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 18:54

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

ThePhenomenalBaby posted:

some guy on a stream was decked out in an extremely heavy armor and was going toe-to-toe with a boss and was almost outpacing it in sheer damage, even though he was going straight health/dex. i wouldn't worry about heavy armor in this game if you properly spec for it

i fully plan on making the tankiest build i can, so you roll masters can expect to hear some news.

Man, I was all set to make a rolly rear end in a top hat thief, but hearing this is seriously starting to put some doubt in my mind. So many builds that were kinda gimmicky in Demon's seem completely viable now.

# ¿ Sep 28, 2011 23:06

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

fivetwo posted:

do you guys think the 360 online community will be as robust as the ps3 community?

Its not selling quite as well on 360 as PS3, and you'll be missing out on the Japanese community entirely, so I'd say there'll probably be half to two thirds as many players on the Xbox. Beyond a certain point, it doesn't really matter how many people are playing though.

Unless you mean in terms of skill, then the answer is no.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2011 04:44

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

ireladd posted:

So do we know for certain now that wanting to invade others as a black phantom is based on using a consumable item, as opposed to whenever you want?

http://goo.gl/FE4sk

Yes, but covenants also provide different avenues to PvP, like gravelords, or hunting down and punishing 'sinners'. I'm trying to stay mostly unspoiled, but I do know that much.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2011 22:52

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Sheep-Goats posted:

Best PvP video I've seen (maybe it's been posted already but I can't keep up with 20 pages of posts every 12 hours), only mild spoilers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHYmQrV-wak

The invading phantoms are purple because: They're hunting an oath breaker of their faction

This is the mild spoiler: There is a ring that reportedly makes you almost totally translucent in the forest area only

Holy poo poo this video is amazing, that is a gigantic dick move.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2011 00:50

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

The Wise Teen posted:

I'm pretty amazed by the sheer number of invaders in that video. When you kill one does it just drop in another one in that area?

Must be something special about purple phantoms.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2011 01:04

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Gay Rumsfeld posted:

What's the deal with magic in this game? I notice there is no mana.

You have a limited number of charges per spell, but you can equip them multiple times or buy upgrades to increase the number of casts.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2011 01:36

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Krinkle posted:

can anyone give me a hint what I'm supposed to do? I killed the taurus demon, I killed a pig, I got a mystery key, and..... ????? every staircase up or down ends in an unkillable dark knight and when I went the other way some ghosts slit my throat for me while taking zero damage even with transient curse. I'm soul level 12. where should I be?

Those dark knights aren't unkillable. Just lure them out into an open space and fight conservatively, you can take them down. You're on the right track, keep going!

# ¿ Oct 5, 2011 01:46

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Anyone know if the online is busted on 360? I am having no luck summoning white phantoms, there's about a half dozen signs in the forest at SL15 and they all error out.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2011 02:06

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Red Mundus posted:

*fake edit* Any news on a PC release? I HIGHLY doubt it but I said the same regarding L.A. Noire and boy was I surprised.

I wouldn't get my hopes up, the Japanese really don't give a poo poo about non-porn PC gaming. From in particular has only put out one PC game as far as I know, some weird King's Field dungeon construction set.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2011 02:32

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

kater posted:

Aww is this true? The very first user message I got after the tutorial was "be wary attacking this guy" so of course I've been murdering every NPC I come across since. On a scale of screwed to screwed^10 how screwed am I?

Well, they don't respawn so if you want to actually talk to any of those guys again then yeah, you're pretty screwed.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2011 03:54

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

coyo7e posted:

That tin is going to be my new joint-rolling tray/kit.

Dank Souls: Prepare To _{_get} High :2bong:

# ¿ Oct 5, 2011 04:41

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Darth Windu posted:

I don't think bonfires stay kindled forever, or rather it doesn't affect other people's games forever. I got some free kindles on some of my bonfires, and they faded soon after.

The extra flask is a one time thing, when someone kindles the last bonfire you camped at.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2011 04:43

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Dr.Cthulhu posted:

Can you GAIN more humanity when human? I would love to kindle my bonfire. Also, what should I do with the Fire Keeper Soul?

Yeah you can, humanity is kind of a sliding scale, you get more bonuses the more human you are. As for the Fire Keeper Soul, take it to the mute under Firelink shrine to upgrade your estus flask.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2011 06:28

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Its on the way there yeah, she's behind a grate, about halfway down the stairs to the elevator.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2011 06:31

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Agreeing with ErIog, but to be less hostile, I suggest popping a humanity and summoning a phantom buddy if you're having trouble. There are tons of people before every even remotely difficult part volunteering to help you out, and there's nothing wrong with making use of them. Worst case scenario they distract the boss long enough for you to stab it in the back.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2011 09:31

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

OK, I think there's something wrong with my copy of the game. For some reason, the game will sometimes bug out and decide that when I hit RB, it's just going to wait for a few seconds before actually making my character attack. And of course the attack always starts right when I should be holding up my shield. Has anyone else seen this happen? It's not my controller either, I tried using a different one and the same issue kept happening.

This is actually a pretty major bug people have been complaining about since the Japanese release. It doesn't happen that often, but it loving sucks when you get murdered because your attack got buffered for a couple of seconds. Really hoping they patch that, along with some of the few other major bugs.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2011 09:21

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Sultan Tarquin posted:

Well, that was weird. I was walking in firelink shrine where the small pool of water is, and then something started snoring and the subtitles popped up transcribing the sounds of the snoring

I think it must have something to do with that suspicious looking statue. I spent like 10 minutes just searching every nook and cranny of that place, so idk :iiam:

# ¿ Oct 7, 2011 00:04

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

^ I wouldn't call it a throwaway stat, but it is kind of an obscure, ultimately pretty unimportant mechanic. Sort of like tendency from Demon's.

Dirty Job posted:

So I lost all 8 of my stored humanity because I thought it was a good thing to use immediately. Then I fell off a wall and died.

Should I just start over? I'm like 10 hours in.

Its a bummer but you can make it back. Go kill some rats or start dropping white soapstone. I definitely wouldn't suggest starting over though, you just have to accept failure in this game.

homeless snail fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Oct 7, 2011

# ¿ Oct 7, 2011 01:02

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Shalinor posted:

I picked the mysterious ring, because my Wanderer is the apprentice of an ancient witch

... who, within 30 seconds of starting, said gently caress this, amped up her strength, and found a shield and spear. gently caress dodging, I already spent the entirety of Demon's Souls as a paperweight that had to dodge everything.

Will it actually screw me later on? I suppose I am early enough in that I could still restart. Go with a more burly class instead of an agil class (or at least go with a magic class - didn't realize it would be ages until I could find my first spell), etc.

My goal this time is to be a magic-throwing metal god that, once out of magic, just rushes in and kicks people dramatically off tall things.

I'm a spear and shield Wanderer that uses magic, miracles, and pyromancy. I also have <25% equip burden, so I can dodge and run around like a jackass all I want. You'll be fine, there's pretty much no eventuality in the game where the only solution is to restart.

Wanderer is probably the second best jack of all trades class, behind Deprived. You start with some decent gear to boot!

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 01:39

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Elysiume posted:

I just beat the big knight in the church, but don't feel prepared to fight the gargoyles. What are my options for other places to go? I'm mostly running in circles.

Right now, that's pretty much your only option. You can go gently caress around in the forest if you want, but that will be a dead end for you.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 01:45

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Elysiume posted:

Aw, I am super terrified of the gargoyles. Last time they completely eviscerated me. I can't get any better armor from what I've found, and I don't know what else I can do. Guess I should just use some humanity, try to get that NPC, and maybe drag in another player?

If I die while human, do I retain my pooled humanity?

Yeah, having other people in that fight helps a lot. Try splitting them up, attacking one while your phantom buddies work on the other. There's a blacksmith under the bonfire there if you want to upgrade your armor.

The humanity will be on your bloodstain, just like your souls.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 01:52

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Vanguard Warden posted:

Not true, you can actually skip the gargoyles for a large portion of the game. You only need to go back there to ring the bell, you find the key to lower UD burg on a corpse near the gate in front of the church.

I forgot that you got the key before you fight the gargoyles, but if you can't beat them then what luck do you have beating the Capra Demon. v :shobon:

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 01:57

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Harminoff posted:

Pretty sure I've tried to beat this Capra Demon 100+ times now. Had him down to one hit but died. Really like this game and want to continue, but won't be able to like this.

Any easy way to get past these stupid dogs at all? It's about a 1/20 chance I even get past them.

Dogs really don't like fire, stock up on firebombs at the Burg merchant or black resin in the aqueduct.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 01:59

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Samurai Sanders posted:

Out of curiosity, why are you healing with miracles instead of using the flask? In fact I don't understand what the point of healing miracles are in this game.

I use them when I WP, because a lot of hosts are selfish jerks who refuse to use their estus. Otherwise its too slow to be practical.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 02:58

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Shumagorath posted:

Having an enemy that you need an expensive / rare item to even fight is really goddamn stupid. If you run out, New Londo Ruins is basically off-limits until you can buy more.

Well, there is a free way to get cursed if you're that interested :v:

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 04:01

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Shumagorath posted:

Yeah, about those frogs: We had three guys absolutely steamrolling the depths until I took a wrong turn off a ledge and got cursed and insta-killed before I could even swing my weapon.

Did you farm souls for a purgestone? Honestly, I think the preferred way to get cured should be to go into New Londo. It might take a little longer, but you end up with a lot of really useful loot, like a pile of transient curses, a knife that hurts ghosts, a curse resistance ring, and a fire keeper's soul

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 04:05

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

^ Yeah you can, its a matter of timing though

Kaelan Zero posted:

Make sure not to ever press X while viewing the Book of the Guilty. It hangs the game loading data over the lovely peer-to-peer network. I've been stuck at this screen for 10 minutes now (you can't cancel). I'll probably have to reboot the console soon and hope it didn't corrupt my save.

Leaderboards aren't peer-to-peer. From is getting a lot of poo poo over the network change, when in reality it doesn't impact all that much.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 04:08

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Kaelan Zero posted:

I have access to the Valley of the Drakes (since I have a Master Key); is it feasible to take the blighttown back entrance and continue from there to skip past most of the framerate problems? Or do I just need to suffer through it?

You absolutely can, but the area after the depths is even worse for your framerate

# ¿ Oct 10, 2011 10:50

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Bland posted:

You know at first I was annoyed that I never got to try the PvP stuff because it didn't work but I've just been summoned to the forest twice and I'm not sure I want to PvP at all now. Magic is completely worthless on an enemy that can move a few spaces to the right so that's the entire strong point of my character unusable and when I try to fight them with my weapon I find that when I strafe around and stab them in the back it just bounce off their shield yet their frontal attacks sometimes go right through my shield. PvP just doesn't seem to work in any capacity

Most people get really jumpy whenever they see a catalyst or pyro hand come out, so you can't expect them to stand still while you're casting. In PvP you need to bait your opponent to attack, or get them in a situation where they have no way to dodge, and then cast your spell. Playing a spellcaster is more about mindgames and strategy than just bruteforce chopping dudes up.

Its true that PvP isn't really that balanced though, and some builds just straight up are not viable. Its supposed to be kind of a diversion instead of some huge competitive thing.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2011 13:06

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Fifteen of Many posted:

I just lost 20k souls to a mushroom at the bottom of the Great Hollow - not an enemy, mind you, one of the environmental ones. I was fighting a mushroom parent and got stuck in a spot between a mushroom and the wall, unable to move or roll out anywhere. I've actually been getting stuck on lots of bad architectural glitches in this dumb tree.

Homeward bowns, I never leave Firelink with fewer than 99 of them.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2012 00:06

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

ape canyon posted:

So is it a bad idea to reactivate bonfires over and over and grind the souls in the surrounding area? I'm really lovely at this game and it seems like leveling up might help me finally beat the first non-tutorial boss. My internet connection is lovely so I'm playing offline, if that makes any difference.

If you have a spot that's actually giving you a good return on investment, go crazy. Hell, there's a spot just a little bit ahead of where you are that's pretty much designed to grind souls, the enemies kill themselves if you do it right! Its in the forest under the Parish blacksmith, you need to buy a crest from him for 20k to unlock the door.

As a rule, you can win any fight at whatever level you are now, but leveling up can never hurt.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2012 06:06

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

RembrandtQEinstein posted:

If they are they're not on my list!

Put me on this thing, 360 GT: aHomeless Snail

I just starting playing again after taking a long break, at SL80 right now and probably going to settle around 100/120, if anyone needs something. About to start on NG+ Blighttown, since I made this character before everyone realized how objectively superior the master key is :suicide:

# ¿ Jan 26, 2012 07:01

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

What?! Is this a 1.05 thing or was I just completely retarded?

# ¿ Jan 26, 2012 07:12

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Okay that explains it, I just talked to him in the depths and didn't notice it there, either. Coming back after 1.05 is really disorienting, so many things have changed. Not the least of which are my gold-hemmed robes

edit:

havenwaters posted:

The master key is a 1.05 thing. But it only appears in his inventory after you beat Quellag.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2012 07:18

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

GFWL doesn't have poo poo for cheat punishment, but it does have some memory protection features so I don't think Cheat Engine is going to cut it if they made use of that. Of course, there's nothing stopping someone from writing a trainer or wrapping xlive to disable the protection. So yeah, PC muliplayer will probably be hosed.

# ¿ Aug 15, 2012 17:24

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

I don't really get the point that you're trying to make, Dan, but if you're arguing that the archers are mechanically bankrupt or whatever you're way off base. Like most other encounters in the game, there is a valuable lesson to be learned on that ramp. Up to that point you haven't really been forced to consider invincibility frames, or that particular kind of movement in general. Once everything clicks and you can consistently charge up that ramp and roll through attacks, you've learned something mildly revelatory about the mechanics of the game. Its something that can really pay off on the later bosses and NG++++ runs.

Of course, Dark Souls is not a sadistic game, so they give you the freedom to solve that encounter in a bunch of different ways.

# ¿ Aug 30, 2012 07:15

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

You may have discovered invincibility frames independently, but the archers are a place where the game puts a gun to your head and yells "YOU ROLL NOW".

# ¿ Aug 30, 2012 07:28

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Rodyle posted:

I'm a little confused by the fact that it's a direct sequel. I was sort of hoping for another new name and setting (DEEP SOULS: FROM SOFTWARE'S STAB AT OCEAN HORROR). But even aside of my own hopes, the trailer clearly shows we're still in Lordran and still undead so... what does that mean about the events of Dark Souls 1?

The Age of Fire is over, the Age of Dark begins, something about the rise of humanity etc, etc, whatever DARK SOULS 2.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2012 04:14

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 18:54

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Obscure Risk posted:

With the above, it is very likely that both endings happened, and it could constantly flip between a world of light and dark.

I like this a lot. Bring back world tendency and you have a situation where both the DS endings happened at the same time, and you can move between the Age of Fire and the Age of Dark as you please.

But no, I have a feeling that's not what they're doing.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2012 04:22

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