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Urit: Oct 22, 2010

FlyWhiteBoy posted:

Yeah SP1 is installed. We're on the latest SP I think its up to SP3. I'd like to filter the browser so only our OU is shown. We are in a very large enterprise domain. Which of the 2 links will accomplish this?

Actually, I think I'm made of dumb. If you want just your OU:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...fice.12%29.aspx

That's the only thing you need.

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# ? May 19, 2013 05:05

odiv: Jan 12, 2003

Hey! We're starting to use SharePoint 2010 here. It's fun right?

Right guys!?... guys?...

Moving to a new position where it's going to be about half my job. Luckily we have a server guy who's pretty sharp and he seems to have set everything up correctly. Might order some books or something because trying to just intuit everything is getting annoying.

What helpful web resources are there? Currently I'm just googling and then sometimes finding relevant blog entries or MS articles. A lot of the time the info is outdated though.

Creating some demo task lists and document libraries to show people what we can do with this and it's been pretty frustrating trying to get everything just right. The idea is that eventually there will be "experts" in each division who will be able to maintain their own sites. I don't know how likely that is, just from my experience now.

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Tab8715: May 20, 2006

Be prepared to spend quite a bit of times at Barnes and Noble. Read. A lot.

# ? Mar 13, 2012 23:16

boo_radley: Dec 30, 2005; Politeness costs nothing

odiv posted:

Moving to a new position where it's going to be about half my job. Luckily we have a server guy who's pretty sharp and he seems to have set everything up correctly. Might order some books or something because trying to just intuit everything is getting annoying.

What helpful web resources are there? Currently I'm just googling and then sometimes finding relevant blog entries or MS articles. A lot of the time the info is outdated though.

Creating some demo task lists and document libraries to show people what we can do with this and it's been pretty frustrating trying to get everything just right. The idea is that eventually there will be "experts" in each division who will be able to maintain their own sites. I don't know how likely that is, just from my experience now.

SharePoint 2010 is enterprise software. As such, it has particular requirements and is designed to spec -- if things aren't in the spec, they may or may not be supported and subject to whimsical change. Be conservative in your development and maintenance. If your server guy is on his game, that's awesome.

Start with http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/en-...es/default.aspx

If your organization is of any size, start with the governance guide: http://technet.microsoft.com/library/cc262883(office.14).aspx

The software is flexible; it can fall into unusability if you leave it to users to intuit. Guide them and help them where you can.

edit: Wait, what's your own role in the organization?

# ? Mar 14, 2012 02:42

odiv: Jan 12, 2003

I'm developing/adapting training materials, actually running some (most/all?) of the training, will be trying to promote it and make people comfortable with it, and will probably be the go to guy when users are having trouble with it and the regular helpdesk is too busy or doesn't know enough about it. I'm not sure if there's a name for that.

One of the main reasons we're using SharePoint is to get our users out of email and messy shared drive collaboration hell and hope to take advantage of the version history and workflow. Also hopefully enable cooperation between regional offices and ... well probably most of the stuff in the SharePoint marketing fluff really.

# ? Mar 14, 2012 03:06

zapateria: Feb 16, 2003

Here's a silly question..

I have a site at /company with a document library

I have a site at /projects/companyproject and I don't want to create a separate document library here, but view a filtered list from the /company library.

Is this possible, and how would I do this? It sounds like such a basic thing but when I Google it, it appears that it might not be, unless I'm terrible at Googling.

vvvv Thanks, it works but looks terrible and doesn't have any of the document library functionality. I was afraid that was the closest I would get.

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# ? Mar 15, 2012 08:36

cptInsane0: Apr 10, 2007; ...and a clown with no head

If they are in the same site collection, you can use a content query web part. If they are not, you are pretty much out of luck, unless you buy or make something custom. I believe there is a web part called lightning tools that gives you cross-site-collection display.

# ? Mar 15, 2012 13:36

FlyWhiteBoy: Jul 13, 2004

Does anyone have experience improving the performance of a MOSS 2007 site? Our users are already complaining that it is too slow. It seems to be slow when first loading / authenticating. Once the home page is loaded it is quick between other pages. We are using NTLM authentication, is it possible that moving to kerberos would be faster?

# ? Mar 16, 2012 17:31

boo_radley: Dec 30, 2005; Politeness costs nothing

FlyWhiteBoy posted:

Does anyone have experience improving the performance of a MOSS 2007 site? Our users are already complaining that it is too slow. It seems to be slow when first loading / authenticating. Once the home page is loaded it is quick between other pages. We are using NTLM authentication, is it possible that moving to kerberos would be faster?

What does your site and farm look like? There's no diagnostic information to go off of here.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 17:51

cptInsane0: Apr 10, 2007; ...and a clown with no head

The first time you load up and authenticate, it does have that issue natively, regardless of your setup too. There are some tweaks you can do in IIS to help that some. I am not sure what options they are off the top of my head, but the answer is in *shudder* the MSDN forums.

# ? Mar 16, 2012 18:26

odiv: Jan 12, 2003

Is there a way to set sharepoint up to the Explorer way of ordering (So that 2 shows up between 1 and 10 and not after)?

People where I work love to put numbers at the start of files, categories, etc. I'd love to try to teach everyone to use zeros at the start, but realistically this isn't going to happen, especially when MS changed how Explorer orders the files.

edit: V alright thanks. Yeah, it's document library categories. They want section 1000 to come after 100 to 900 and not have the 0 in front.

odiv fucked around with this message at Mar 29, 2012 around 23:55

# ? Mar 29, 2012 22:56

Urit: Oct 22, 2010

odiv posted:

Is there a way to set sharepoint up to the Explorer way of ordering (So that 2 shows up between 1 and 10 and not after)?

People where I work love to put numbers at the start of files, categories, etc. I'd love to try to teach everyone to use zeros at the start, but realistically this isn't going to happen, especially when MS changed how Explorer orders the files.

Nope! Welcome to SharePoint.

If this is a list, you could order by the field "ID" rather than Title in the view. It won't be sequential though and will be in the order that the items were created. If you're in a document library though, the answer is no.

# ? Mar 29, 2012 23:13

Langolas: Feb 12, 2011; My mustache makes me sexy, not the hat

So has anyone found a good app besides Shareplus for iphones and android to integrate with sharepoint? I'm trying to get sharepoint calenders to sync across to peoples smartphones so they can maybe (big maybe) get notifications for items coming up on a shared calender. I think with Shareplus they will be able to at least see the calenders that way but how it worked before with a shared outlook mailbox, they were able to get notifications for calender events

# ? Apr 2, 2012 17:08

cptInsane0: Apr 10, 2007; ...and a clown with no head

So I am running into an awesome issue. I have a document library that I have given anonymous access permissions. All of the straight up documents work just fine. However, document sets do not. They ask for a login. Of course I have searched around, and found no answer to this. There has to be a library or something where that feature resides that is blocking me. Any ideas?

# ? Apr 6, 2012 15:45

Urit: Oct 22, 2010

cptInsane0 posted:

So I am running into an awesome issue. I have a document library that I have given anonymous access permissions. All of the straight up documents work just fine. However, document sets do not. They ask for a login. Of course I have searched around, and found no answer to this. There has to be a library or something where that feature resides that is blocking me. Any ideas?

A quick google turns up that this is a known problem with document sets/anon access, because it's trying to access a _layouts page.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com...1-794bbee21aae/

Have you tried to see what the user is being redirected to with Fiddler (http://www.fiddler2.com)?

Also is it a publishing site (Which means the viewformpageslockdown feature) is enabled? http://mikesnotebook.wordpress.com/...mobile-devices/

# ? Apr 6, 2012 18:10

cptInsane0: Apr 10, 2007; ...and a clown with no head

Urit posted:

A quick google turns up that this is a known problem with document sets/anon access, because it's trying to access a _layouts page.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com...1-794bbee21aae/

Have you tried to see what the user is being redirected to with Fiddler (http://www.fiddler2.com)?

Also is it a publishing site (Which means the viewformpageslockdown feature) is enabled? http://mikesnotebook.wordpress.com/...mobile-devices/

I am pretty sure it is a publishing site, but I believe I had already turned off that feature, as I had problems in the past on other site collections. I can't use fiddler, as it is an internal site. I will re-check the lockdown thing though.

# ? Apr 6, 2012 18:25

cptInsane0: Apr 10, 2007; ...and a clown with no head

I just checked. The viewformpageslockdown feature goes for the whole application, not individual site collections. I had it off all along, so that's not my issue. I really don't want to go back and use folders instead of document sets, but I am guessing I don't have much of a choice.

# ? Apr 6, 2012 18:44

Urit: Oct 22, 2010

Viewformpageslockdown is a site collection level feature, not a web-app level feature. Anyway, I'd still see what Fiddler says about this.

# ? Apr 6, 2012 18:47

cptInsane0: Apr 10, 2007; ...and a clown with no head

I doublechecked. Even though I was wrong about what level it operates at, it was already disabled anyway. I will check out fiddler.

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FlyWhiteBoy: Jul 13, 2004

I've solved my performance/speed issue I was having. Adjusted application pool recycling in IIS, it was recycling too frequently. Next thing I'm on to is learning my way around SharePoint Designer 2007, can anyone recommend a good book or resource online? One specific thing I'd like to do is move the left hand navigation to the bottom page and change the styling via CSS. Is something like that possible?

# ? Apr 6, 2012 23:39

cptInsane0: Apr 10, 2007; ...and a clown with no head

FlyWhiteBoy posted:

I've solved my performance/speed issue I was having. Adjusted application pool recycling in IIS, it was recycling too frequently. Next thing I'm on to is learning my way around SharePoint Designer 2007, can anyone recommend a good book or resource online? One specific thing I'd like to do is move the left hand navigation to the bottom page and change the styling via CSS. Is something like that possible?

Yep, you just need to use a custom master page.

# ? Apr 7, 2012 01:01

FlyWhiteBoy: Jul 13, 2004

cptInsane0 posted:

Yep, you just need to use a custom master page.

Thats what I thought, been playing around with the minimal master page. I've added my html to the top. Now I need to figure out how I declare the content area where people can add web parts. Glad to know what I'm doing is possible, just will take time.

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hirvox: Sep 8, 2009

FlyWhiteBoy posted:

Now I need to figure out how I declare the content area where people can add web parts. Glad to know what I'm doing is possible, just will take time.

Those are in the page layouts (if you use the Publishing feature) or in the pages themselves (if you aren't).

# ? Apr 8, 2012 06:58

FlyWhiteBoy: Jul 13, 2004

I've done pretty well so far, I've got my layouts done and created a web part zone. However when I try to edit the web part it doesn't work. Normally a column would pop up on the right hand side allowing you to make changes, but on my custom page it pops up in the middle and is completely blank except for OK and Cancel buttons. Anyone experience this or know what the name of this area is so I can assign it a location with CSS?

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CubanRefugee: Jul 1, 2003; El Jefe
Reppin' the Row since '26.

So does anyone have any good recommendations for a book or resource for learning some advanced workflow techniques?

# ? Apr 11, 2012 00:56

NecroBob: Jul 29, 2003; the happiest sperm cell in the load

Has anyone had experience with Excel Web Services? I've been writing a tracking system and I'm rather pleased with how it works. The head guy needs reports generated from the data that the system gathers. I have an Excel spreadsheet that pulls from two SP2010 libraries, but I come to find out that Excel Web Services doesn't support external data queries. Even when querying itself. What.

Am I doing something wrong, or is there seriously no way to have an Excel spreadsheet display in the browser from Sharepoint while pulling data from a Sharepoint library? I dipped into the Dashboard Designer in PerformancePoint, and the Report Builder in SQL Reporting Services and I wanted to hurt myself afterwards.

Really, I just wanted to vent the frustration I've been experiencing over the last couple days. I don't think I'm a stupid person, it's just a pain in the rear end sometimes, and I like knowing that I'm not alone in my Sharepoint woes.

EDIT: Sort of. It's okay with PivotTables, just not regular tables.

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# ? Apr 11, 2012 03:56

boo_radley: Dec 30, 2005; Politeness costs nothing

FlyWhiteBoy posted:

I've done pretty well so far, I've got my layouts done and created a web part zone. However when I try to edit the web part it doesn't work. Normally a column would pop up on the right hand side allowing you to make changes, but on my custom page it pops up in the middle and is completely blank except for OK and Cancel buttons. Anyone experience this or know what the name of this area is so I can assign it a location with CSS?

Oh, I have this at work -- drop me a PM to remind me and I'll look it up for you if you don't get an answer.

# ? Apr 11, 2012 04:40

odiv: Jan 12, 2003

Can multiple outside read-only users share one AD account for SharePoint usage without issue or will it screw things up somehow?

# ? Apr 12, 2012 20:25

cptInsane0: Apr 10, 2007; ...and a clown with no head

Yes. SharePoint doesn't monitor concurrent licenses really. you can have multiple connections with one login.

# ? Apr 12, 2012 20:50

boo_radley: Dec 30, 2005; Politeness costs nothing

FlyWhiteBoy posted:

I've done pretty well so far, I've got my layouts done and created a web part zone. However when I try to edit the web part it doesn't work. Normally a column would pop up on the right hand side allowing you to make changes, but on my custom page it pops up in the middle and is completely blank except for OK and Cancel buttons. Anyone experience this or know what the name of this area is so I can assign it a location with CSS?

Hey, so here's my notes.

1. The EditorPart is (surprise) within a nested table. Its id is "MSOTlPn_Tbl". Sadly, this name and its nested table-nature didn't change in 2010.

2. This element is rendered within the WebPartPage by a private method. So in order to move the EditorPart around on the server side you'd have to subclass WebPartPage, and default all sharepoint pages everywhere to use that subclassed page, which would be a huge pain in the rear end and be a support risk.

3. This leaves client side manipulation via javascript/ CSS/ etc. Certain browsers seem to have difficulty presenting nested tables out of step with their parents by CSS, so prefer javascript for this situation.

Tools used:
jQuery and Aaron Boodman's DOM Drag script. We added these to the master page's scriptlinks.

Implementation:
Near the end of the master page, preferably right at </body>, add:

code:

function loadDragElements() {
_spBodyOnLoadWrapper();
var theHandle = document.getElementById("MSOTlPn_ToolPaneCaption");
var theRoot = document.getElementById("MSOTlPn_Tbl"); if(theHandle != null && theRoot != null) { Drag.init(theHandle, theRoot); }
}

This function was written very early on in 2007's life, and you would now remove the _spBodyOnLoadWrapper from the function and use _spBodyOnLoadFunctionNames.push("loadDragElements") rather than forcibly calling _spBodyOnLoadWrapper before the work.

It still works as written, however, and so is not an issue worth fixing as far as our implementation is concerned, but if you are doing this from scratch, I'd suggest you implement the more dogmatic method.

results:

the EditorPart is movable and renders properly. If you expand all of the sections of the part, it'll become scrollable (which is not awesome, but doesn't alter the presentation of the page itself).

# ? Apr 19, 2012 15:55

Catman Begins: Dec 1, 2004; I am the night.

So i'm in pretty deep over my head here guys.

I've been made IT Support at a company which has used Sharepoint for the last 2 years (the boss set it up and developed it but doesn't have time any more). I know quite a bit about troubleshooting home computers, I know HTML and a bit of C# but nothing about networks.

Basically i've been given a bit of time to train myself to use Sharepoint Foundation/Sharepoint Designer/Visual Studio 2010 which i've been doing through various tutorials and books online. It seems daunting but i'm up for it.

My company want to implement a system by which CVs come into the office, are scanned in, then the data from the CVs is manually copy-pasted into Sharepoint fields. A workflow is then created which monitors action on the CVs (like when someone calls a potential recruit or arranges an interview). Also each CV that was inputted would create a staff file that could be updated with pictures, scans of training certificates etc. Phew.

My question is, is this possible? And where would be the best place to go to learn how to do this besides the official forums?

EDIT: oh and i've been given "server access" but have no idea how to actually access the servers. They're off-site in London and all i've been give in the username and password. Ugh don't blame me, I couldn't turn down the money!

# ? May 3, 2012 10:43

hirvox: Sep 8, 2009

Silas the Mariner posted:

My company want to implement a system by which CVs come into the office, are scanned in, then the data from the CVs is manually copy-pasted into Sharepoint fields. A workflow is then created which monitors action on the CVs (like when someone calls a potential recruit or arranges an interview). Also each CV that was inputted would create a staff file that could be updated with pictures, scans of training certificates etc. Phew.

My question is, is this possible?

A state machine workflow tied into a document library could fulfill most of the requirements, but the devil is in the details. Folders could be used for the staff files, but Sharepoint's own metadata model is bad when it comes to relational data. In this case, representing multiple work experience entries or certificates within a single CV could be problematic. You can do it with Sharepoint, but having a custom SQL database for relational data would probably be faster to develop for and be less error-prone. Depending on your hosting, that might not be possible.

# ? May 3, 2012 14:10

cptInsane0: Apr 10, 2007; ...and a clown with no head

Yikes. First off, to access the servers, I am guessing since they didn't specifically tell you to use logmein or something, you can just go to start, run, and type "mstsc" without the quotes, then type the server name in. Save that connection, and make a shortcut. If you have to manage a pile of servers remotely, install the management console.

What hervox said about the cv management thing is correct. It can be done, but it's kind of a bitch, and inefficient.

# ? May 3, 2012 14:37

Urit: Oct 22, 2010

SharePoint is not the technology you want to do this with. It would be possible, but it would be clunky, probably slow, and very hard to manage.

# ? May 3, 2012 16:13

Langolas: Feb 12, 2011; My mustache makes me sexy, not the hat

Oh sharepoint how I loath thee.

Trying to move our GP Workflow install from my sharepoint VM to the physical box I have for it now thats big and beefy (the vm had 4gbs of ram and 2 cores with no more power to spare on the host box). Every step of trying to move the install, reinstall things or change the way workflow points has been an uphill battle. Can't wait til its done and I can shutdown the old workflow box. The workflow components didn't get listed into the manifest list so I'm installing visual studio to compile http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tehnoonr/ar...eature-xml.aspx so I can remove the features by GUID

Joy.

# ? May 3, 2012 16:37

Catman Begins: Dec 1, 2004; I am the night.

cptInsane0 posted:

Yikes. First off, to access the servers, I am guessing since they didn't specifically tell you to use logmein or something, you can just go to start, run, and type "mstsc" without the quotes, then type the server name in. Save that connection, and make a shortcut. If you have to manage a pile of servers remotely, install the management console.

What hervox said about the cv management thing is correct. It can be done, but it's kind of a bitch, and inefficient.

Thanks for your help with this, I managed to get the server connection up and running. As for the CV management thing, i'm going to have to do it, so i've started researching how to create state machine workflows in Visual Studio 2010. Not that I can get it to run yet.

Sharepoint is fun!

# ? May 4, 2012 08:53

Jeffrey Colon: Dec 13, 2007; Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for the ape?

Silas the Mariner posted:

A workflow is then created which monitors action on the CVs (like when someone calls a potential recruit or arranges an interview).

Could you clarify what needs to be done here? I have some ideas for this, but want to make sure I understand the whole thing first.

# ? May 9, 2012 03:45

Corvettefisher: Sep 8, 2007

I am having a brainfart, can you link Sharepoint foundations to a full SQL or is it limited to express, I think foundations is limited to express and standard gives you full everything. I think the client needs standard anyways but they are cheap.

# ? May 9, 2012 14:01

hirvox: Sep 8, 2009

Corvettefisher posted:

I am having a brainfart, can you link Sharepoint foundations to a full SQL or is it limited to express, I think foundations is limited to express and standard gives you full everything. I think the client needs standard anyways but they are cheap.

You're thinking of standalone installs. Foundation can handle full SQL servers and multi-server farms just fine.

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# ? May 19, 2013 05:05

Khelmar: Oct 12, 2003; Things fix me.

This is going to sound stupid, and for that I apologize.

We're looking at using a Sharepoint list to order and keep track of tests. This is my first experience, but I've managed to cobble together a list that works. However, to be really useful to us, it should be able to do two things:

1. Take a list of blocks given, and figure out how many there are. Something like this: 1-3,5,7 should come up with 5.

I can do this in Perl, but there's no split, foreach, or even a way to count how many substrings are in a given string (because then I could just have people give all the blocks separated by commas and just count the commas).

2. Go through a set of items, and create separate lists based on the values of a checkbox. We can run several tests, and I'd like to be able to give the techs a daily lists on what samples to run what tests on.

So, if the list looks like this:

SAMPLE1 GMS, AF 1-3,4,8
SAMPLE2 AF 1,2

I'd like to make lists like this:

AF
SAMPLE1 1-3,4,8
SAMPLE2 1,2

In a programming language, this would be a simple foreach statement, but SharePoint both is and isn't a programming language. I figure I could run a workflow when a test is added, adding it to a daily list of tests, but can I split it out by the values in the checkboxes?

Thanks!

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