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gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

GD_American posted:

https://twitter.com/sweatystartup/status/1773025879259480297

I admire the beautiful touch of using caffeine free coke

An old can too. Isn't current branding red background and gold lettering for caffeine free?

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adnam
Aug 28, 2006

Christmas Whale fully subsidized by ThatsMyBoye

stratego posted:

It's a release that r/bourbon's t8ke worked on with Barrell Craft Spirits.

https://sharedpour.com/products/barrell-t8ke-grey-label-infinite

Out of curiosity the other stuff on that site seems awesome (aficionado group) mezcal bottles, are those worthwhile?

stratego
May 6, 2007


adnam posted:

Out of curiosity the other stuff on that site seems awesome (aficionado group) mezcal bottles, are those worthwhile?

T8ke (Jay, from whisky raiders), also runs the aficionados group for tequila/mezcal releases. Bring from Wisconsin his first love is brandy, but he also loves agave spirits. He partners with shared pour to sell/distribute stuff. You should check out his YouTube channel.
And check out the aficionados group site - he will alert you about upcoming releases, if you're inclined.
Aficionados group website

He's a tremendous guy, responds to emails creepily fast.
I haven't tried many of those releases, but I trust his pallet and tasting notes.

Casu Marzu
Oct 20, 2008

I've met him at a couple local events and he's a great guy. We also have similar tastes in bourbon so his picks have been great for me.

adnam
Aug 28, 2006

Christmas Whale fully subsidized by ThatsMyBoye

stratego posted:

T8ke (Jay, from whisky raiders), also runs the aficionados group for tequila/mezcal releases. Bring from Wisconsin his first love is brandy, but he also loves agave spirits. He partners with shared pour to sell/distribute stuff. You should check out his YouTube channel.
And check out the aficionados group site - he will alert you about upcoming releases, if you're inclined.
Aficionados group website

He's a tremendous guy, responds to emails creepily fast.
I haven't tried many of those releases, but I trust his pallet and tasting notes.

Thank you! I’ve only got lovely chain stores with terrible prices and selection so I’m thinking about buying more online so this helps a lot.

Muir
Sep 27, 2005

that's Doctor Brain to you
A friend gave me a bottle of Oban - Distiller's Edition for my birthday and it's really excellent, well balanced and interesting. It's the first time I've read the tasting notes/description and agreed with everything they said and tasted everything they called out.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Oban is great. Nicely balanced between the salty spray coastal note and the fruity orange marmalade notes. Normally I don't bother with the Diageo annual special releases (those are separate from the distiller's editions) because they're ridiculously expensive for what they are but I managed to snag a 2021 special edition for a good decent price, and it's wonderful.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Friend's dad decided to open a bottle of Royal Salute 21 year...and I couldn't get any tasting notes at all out of it. Smooth to the point of boring.

What's this supposed to be? What is it even blended from?

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Thats the point of those type of blends. To be "smooth" and inoffensive. Blue Label is the same.

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic

spankmeister posted:

Thats the point of those type of blends. To be "smooth" and inoffensive. Blue Label is the same.

That’s got to be the point…expensive Scotch for people that don’t really like Scotch but don’t want to be thought of as “unmasculine.”

bloody ghost titty
Oct 23, 2008

tHROW SOME D"s ON THAT BIZNATCH

DerekSmartymans posted:

That’s got to be the point…expensive Scotch for people that don’t really like Scotch but don’t want to be thought of as “unmasculine.”

Well aged blended whiskies are a different beast than single malts, and the popularity of single malts as a category is about forty years old, due to overproduction in the industry post WWII— before the "whiskey loch" oversupply of the 70's, blended Scotch was considered the finer product, as it had depth and complexity from using whiskey from multiple distilleries. Single Malt as a distinct product was a reaction to the oversupply, and successfully rebranded the category.

As for whether one is more "masculine" than the other; the gently caress out of here. The best tasters in whisk(e)y I know are women.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
Also, the spirit you drink for performative masculinity is clearly Jack Daniels. Scotch is expensive snob juice from Yerp.

Muir
Sep 27, 2005

that's Doctor Brain to you

sean10mm posted:

Also, the spirit you drink for performative masculinity is clearly Jack Daniels. Scotch is expensive snob juice from Yerp.

Ah, but performative masculinity exists at all class levels. Gotta serve every segment of the market.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






People like what they like and that's fine. If you like a super premium high end blend, more power to you.

Invariably though when I see people drinking those types of blends, it's either someone who doesn't drink scotch all that often, and isn't super informed and they want to treat themselves, or it's a person who doesn't know the first thing about quality spirits, and is just being pretentious.

I can count the number of people I've met that both know about whisky and are not utterly disappointed by the likes of Blue Label on one hand.

I do want to stress that blended scotch is not by definition inferior to single malt. There are some excellent blends out there. Compass Box makes some fantastic stuff. More recently companies like Turntable and Thompson Brothers came on the scene and their blends are excellent as well.

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
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Ascetic

bloody ghost titty posted:

As for whether one is more "masculine" than the other; the gently caress out of here. The best tasters in whisk(e)y I know are women.

I wasn’t saying I agreed, hence the quotation marks. Some (especially younger) guys have it in their head that the only acceptable thing to drink is bourbon or Scotch, even though if they were honest they hate it. I think that’s silly.

Agreed on the whiskey tasters, too…my son drinks fruity drinks with umbrellas while his half-pint girlfriend drinks Scotch with me. Life’s too short not to drink what you really enjoy!

bloody ghost titty
Oct 23, 2008

tHROW SOME D"s ON THAT BIZNATCH

DerekSmartymans posted:

I wasn’t saying I agreed, hence the quotation marks. Some (especially younger) guys have it in their head that the only acceptable thing to drink is bourbon or Scotch, even though if they were honest they hate it. I think that’s silly.

Agreed on the whiskey tasters, too…my son drinks fruity drinks with umbrellas while his half-pint girlfriend drinks Scotch with me. Life’s too short not to drink what you really enjoy!

& I walked back some choice invectives related to bud light and lifted trucks because I thought better of assuming a SA poster of 20 years was gonna up and show their rear end about single malts.

Man, also I love me some umbrella drinks. Reminds me I gotta write a quick how-to on that before boating season really kicks up. Problem is whiskey wasn't a big player in that milieu; outside of a monkey gland, I really can't think of much.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

spankmeister posted:

People like what they like and that's fine. If you like a super premium high end blend, more power to you.

Invariably though when I see people drinking those types of blends, it's either someone who doesn't drink scotch all that often, and isn't super informed and they want to treat themselves, or it's a person who doesn't know the first thing about quality spirits, and is just being pretentious.

I can count the number of people I've met that both know about whisky and are not utterly disappointed by the likes of Blue Label on one hand.

I do want to stress that blended scotch is not by definition inferior to single malt. There are some excellent blends out there. Compass Box makes some fantastic stuff. More recently companies like Turntable and Thompson Brothers came on the scene and their blends are excellent as well.

I was deployed overseas a few years back and the O-Club had Blue Label for $20/pour so I figured why the hell not. I had had enough Scotch experience and Johnnie experience to know to expect all the character to be blended out. So it wasn't disappointing. I'm genuinely glad I had the opportunity to try it. It wasn't bad at all but it's almost paradoxical to have something both flawless and uninteresting. It's like a generative AI image of a beautiful blonde woman. You can't pick anything at all wrong with it but by the exact same token you can't describe anything compelling because it's so perfect at having no unique identity.

Scythe
Jan 26, 2004

bloody ghost titty posted:

& I walked back some choice invectives related to bud light and lifted trucks because I thought better of assuming a SA poster of 20 years was gonna up and show their rear end about single malts.

Man, also I love me some umbrella drinks. Reminds me I gotta write a quick how-to on that before boating season really kicks up. Problem is whiskey wasn't a big player in that milieu; outside of a monkey gland, I really can't think of much.

it doesn't typically get an umbrella, but you could certainly add one to the classic Caribbean combo of Scotch + coconut water, rocks. i was really surprised how good it was when i tried it a summer or two ago. use really great coconut water (Harmless Harvest is the best I found) and not-so-great smoky blended Scotch for the best effect.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008
Haven't posted here in a bit but FYI for CA goons, K&L has a barrel pick, cask strength Elijah Craig in at the moment as well as the barrel proof Jack Daniels Rye (I've been trying to find the latter for some time now).

https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1516267
https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1743897

the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

King of rings, armlocks, hugs, and our hearts
Moved to Germany this year and given what is available, looking to get into scotch a little more. Any recommendations on scotch for someone who likes the vanilla/oak of bourbon, a little heat, but isn't really into any more than a real hint of peat?

Dr. Lunchables
Dec 27, 2012

IRL DEBUFFED KOBOLD



the yellow dart posted:

Moved to Germany this year and given what is available, looking to get into scotch a little more. Any recommendations on scotch for someone who likes the vanilla/oak of bourbon, a little heat, but isn't really into any more than a real hint of peat?

Try a Macallan and report back.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






the yellow dart posted:

Moved to Germany this year and given what is available, looking to get into scotch a little more. Any recommendations on scotch for someone who likes the vanilla/oak of bourbon, a little heat, but isn't really into any more than a real hint of peat?

Dr. Lunchables posted:

Try a Macallan and report back.

Because OP mentioned liking bourbon, oaky/spicy big flavors and even a little heat I would recommend against Macallan. Macallan has a great aroma (smell) but on the palate it always underdelivers. It's thin and lacking in flavor. As an introductory Scotch this wouldn't be so bad were it not for the price. Macallan is extremely overpriced. I think a bourbon drinker will be disappointed by the lack of flavor and body. By all means try a sample but I recommend against buying a full bottle.

Something I would suggest trying is Kilkerran 12, it's got the big oaky flavors, and is generally well regarded by experienced drinkers and newcomers alike. Does have a wisp of smoke but nothing to worry about I think. Production and thus availability is somewhat limited but recently that settled down a bit I think. You'll be hunting a little or paying a bit over MSRP but that's nothing new for bourbon drinkers right?

Another good option is Arran 10. It has a bit more character from the distillate than from the casks, so it tends a bit more fruity than oaky, but it's well balanced and rich in flavor. Also one that's liked by new and experienced drinkers alike. This one is readily available and very affordable. Cheap even.

If you like oaky flavors the Loch Lomond 18 is one of the best value 18 year olds on the market. It's got fruity notes without leaning too much into sherry and it's got oak for days.

For a more sherry-forward whisky, one that's got that european oak spice but is well balanced the Speyburn 15 is an excellent choice that's still a bit under the radar. Doesn't have a lot of the bourbon vanilla's but goes more towards the baking spices, walnuts, dried fruit, etc.
The 18 is good too and leans a bit more into the oak spice and I really like it too but it's hard for me to say that it's actually better than the 15.

Okay that's enough for now I think. Hope this helps! It's nice to make recommendations for someone in Europe finally, since I know pricing and availability a lot better. One last piece of advice is that I would recommend finding a local specialist shop that knows their business, and have a chat with them. Go to some tastings. Find out what you like!

Neco
Mar 13, 2005

listen
Since you’re in Germany I can recommend the forums on whisky.de - there‘s a few whiskey nuts who will sell samples of their whiskies at cost.

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Infinite Karma
Oct 23, 2004
Good as dead





I absolutely love Redbreast (cask strength preferably), that may be available in the EU as easily as Scotch.

I wouldn't say it's oaky, it's more grassy and oily, with some stonefruit and honey flavors.

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