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Been playing the demo pretty hard so I threw down a pre-order for this today. I've been wanting a decent racing game for a long time now (the last one I remember really enjoying was Burnout 3) and I found Gran Torurismo impenetrable in every iteration. But this was just right. Out of all the games that are coming out this fall this was definitely not a game I was expecting to purchase but I'm really excited. I figure before it's officially out I should probably bite the bullet and learn to manually shift. I'm using the Pagani in Rivals since I noticed it has an indicator on the dash that blinks when you need to up-shift. Can I get some tips on downshifting? I can never seem to find the right way or moment to do it. This last turn absolutely ruins my lap every time. AwwJeah fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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redhalo posted:Can you please direct me to where everyone is discussing how bad the lighting looks. http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?s=6d2e2a0cf3eb065e17f4f28234fa4725&t=224011 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1325965 You'll have to trust me that the posts are in there, but I'm not wasting any more time on this.
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Target's still showing as in-stock for me, but I'm debating changing my pre-order. Not getting the fuzzy dice or pre-order bonus car is forgivable, but I don't want to lose any chance at the LCE by jumping around different stores.
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Oct 7, 2011 20:57
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redhalo posted:The only thing you can really add would be more cars, better graphics, better physics, better audio, better way to engage the player, etc that Forza 4 has provided. Are you really poo pooing over just the number of tracks and your opinion that there is too much contrast in a snow environment? Online racing leagues and seasons similar to the way iracing does it? How about a competent rally mode? Dynamic weather (heck, any weather I suppose)? And tracks as was mentioned...
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Oct 7, 2011 21:01
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GhostDog posted:Yes, they could have just patched a new physics engine into the game including updating all the performance data for the cars to work with said new physics engine and also adding another 4 cars (8 in multi) to the track while keeping everything at 60 FPS I don't even know where to begin with this  dreesemonkey posted:RE: Porsche If Porsche does come to Forza 4 as DLC, I doubt it will be because of Turn 10 suddenly negotiating a deal but more that when the license EA has expires (this year I think?) they're not allowed to renew it and we start seeing Porsche appear in more games. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Microsoft try and gobble up another exclusivity deal like they did with Ferrari.
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dreesemonkey posted:RE: Porsche I am hoping Porsche gets one look at EAs offering and gives them their money back.
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MUFFlNS posted:I don't even know where to begin with this What else did you mean by "They could have just patched this"?
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Oct 7, 2011 21:02
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redhalo posted:drat, I had practically forgotten about this until now. This is upsetting, but I still hope for Porche DLC down the road. I'm not holding my breath on it. Not unless the next couple NFS games completely bomb and EA gives up on the series again.
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Just got off the phone with Best Buy;  "So your order does say it's still pending but it's probably going to get cancelled." "So is it probably gonna ship or is it going to ship?" "Oh it's more than likely to get cancelled." "Fine, cancel it." "You wanna switch to the Standard Edition? You get the $20 gift card and the 1600MS points?" "No, sorry, the whole point of ordering the LCE was to get the LCE, thanks but no thanks." "Oh, well we tried."Uh no you loving didn't. I suppose Target and other retailers are getting my business now. 
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Oct 7, 2011 21:08
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redhalo posted:Of course, now I'm half expecting an email from Target saying the same thing. Well, I ended up with two copies now. I called Best Buy, told them how pissed I was and how unfair this was, and they changed my order to "in store pickup". So now on release day, I go down to my local Best Buy and pick up my copy. Of course, Target is also shipping me a copy of it a few days later (I didn't select the super expensive expedited shipping). I think I'll hang on to both orders just in case, and if someone here manages to get screwed, I can send the other copy to them for cost. If not, I'll just return it to Target, they have a good return policy.
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Daemonite posted:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447666 Don't link to GTPlanet please. They are horrible mouth breathers that are convinced that Forza is a arcade racing series. GhostDog posted:What else did you mean by "They could have just patched this"? I think he is talking about how GT5 is getting a new physics engine patched in. Which is ridiculous to expect anyone else to do the same. Forza 3 didn't come out in a beta state, like GT5 did. I still like GT5 a lot, but that was the most unfinished game i've ever bought (and I bought Anarchy Online) and it still feels like i'm playing a beta test. I said come in! fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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Just paid off my LCE, and picked up the new wireless wheel from xbox. I play on a controller and cannot afford a wheel until next year, since Fanatec seems the only way to go. For $60 the wheel is loving worth it. I`m still getting used to the sensitivity but I can keep up with L. Harrison on turns when I would lose ground before. It`s comfortable, and the manual/clutch config on the controller is perfect.
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To anyone complaining about the lighting: I'm one of those fickle assholes who wants his entertainment setups to be nice and perfectly calibrated. The default gamma settings in the Forza 4 demo are screwed up. There is nothing wrong with the game's lighting. I'm sure they just opted out of included brightness/sound adjustment settings in the demo. Ideally you should never have to adjust these settings from within a game, so let's hope the default is something different in the official release (I have a feeling it will be). AwwJeah fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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Is the metal fanatec shifter actually that much better? I have the turbo S with the plastic shifter and it actually turned me off from playing forza 3 because the shifter was so loving terrible. It's WAY too notchy and constantly gets caught in the gates. Compared to a G25/G27 the fanatec shifter is just unusable and nothing like a proper car.
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The framerate in the rearview mirror is slower than the main view framerate. I didn't notice it at first, but now that I did I can't un-notice it 
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I said come in! posted:I think he is talking about how GT5 is getting a new physics engine patched in. Yeah, in the time it takes Turn10 to release a finished new game. Edit: Although, to be fair, it's very nice of them to do that for free. Then again, they released a demo for nearly full price (Prologue), then an unfinished game after six years of development, so they probably feel they have a bit to make up for. GhostDog fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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Oct 7, 2011 21:16
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GhostDog posted:then an unfinished game after six years of development, so they probably feel they have a bit to make up for. I'm still waiting for "Gran Turismo 5" The "Gran Turismo 5" that I bought is definitely not the sequel to the amazing game that was GT4. 
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AwwJeah posted:To anyone complaining about the lighting: I'm one of those fickle assholes who wants his entertainment setups to be nice and perfectly calibrated. The default gamma settings in the Forza 4 demo are screwed up. There is nothing wrong with the game's lighting. Actually a fair point. The HDR so convinces me that I'm seeing brightness, it might be worth a shot getting the real brightness up to make sure. But if you can't tell the difference in physics, you're an idiot playing with all assists on, and this game wasn't built for you. (And you're ignoring all the awesome new multiplayer options, etc)
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So I'm trying to begin playing without ABS on the controller. What's the right way to brake? Pulse rapidly? This isn't easy  .
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Tanz-Kommandant posted:I'm still waiting for "Gran Turismo 5" I loved GT4 to death, especially the Nordschleife. GT5 was supposed to be the game to get a PS3 for, then it took forever to come out and the reviews were underwhelming. It took the trifecta of Demon's Souls, Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 to finally do for me what GT5 should have done alone.
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Residency Evil posted:So I'm trying to begin playing without ABS on the controller. What's the right way to brake? Pulse rapidly? This isn't easy You just modulate the left trigger. Don't pull it all the way, ideally you are braking on the cusp of locking up the tires but not quite. As the tires warm up you can pull progressively closer to the full travel, but with almost every car you can't pull it all the way. You get a feel for it as you race more cars with ABS off, and then you can also tune the braking pressure of cars as you modify them so it's easier for you to manage. You can't just try to perform ABS with your finger, that won't work
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Residency Evil posted:So I'm trying to begin playing without ABS on the controller. What's the right way to brake? Pulse rapidly? This isn't easy Squeeze it down slowly. You wouldn't ever just jump all on the brakes as hard as you can in a real car, would you?
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Residency Evil posted:So I'm trying to begin playing without ABS on the controller. What's the right way to brake? Pulse rapidly? This isn't easy Smooth, linear engagement. You should basically never have this trigger pressed in all the way unless you're trying to lock your brakes up on purpose. ABS 
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GhostDog posted:What else did you mean by "They could have just patched this"? Tweaking and adjusting the physics engine is possible. Obviously they couldn't just patch in a whole new physics engine (this is where you're getting confused I think) but doing tweaks such as making the steering assist optional etc should have been easy for Turn 10 to implement. You were right about grid size though, as far as I know each car on the track in Forza relies on 360 physics calculations per second and doubling that would be impossible without significant optimizations elsewhere (such as the new lighting engine in Forza 4 which uses less resources than their old one). Adjusting physics after launch is by no means impossible though  Besides, admit it, we're all gonna miss F-class races on Amalfi full 
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dreesemonkey posted:Smooth, linear engagement. You should basically never have this trigger pressed in all the way unless you're trying to lock your brakes up on purpose. Isn't braking distance increased without it though?
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Only at first. With practice you can learn exactly how much to brake and you'll find the sweet spot where you can brake hard (and late) and not lock them up. Or the point where a quick jab is all you need. Or when you just have to let off the throttle a oval office hair. etc. etc. Just takes practice to where you can get to the direct point of just before you lock 'em up.Residency Evil posted:So I'm trying to begin playing without ABS on the controller. What's the right way to brake? Pulse rapidly? This isn't easy Squeeze gently at first, until you know the corner/car/cars' brakes and can apply just the right amount for the situation. No 'slamming' of the brakes. Squeeze until you can feel the tires start to lock-up.
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I never liked amalfi full, actually. Also, why exactly are people complaining about the day 1dlc? You get it for free with a purchase of a new game. You only get screwed if you buy used.
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Oct 7, 2011 21:34
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poo poo. Target is out, Best Buy is out, where else can I get the LCE?
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Day Man posted:I never liked amalfi full, actually. Also, why exactly are people complaining about the day 1dlc? You get it for free with a purchase of a new game. You only get screwed if you buy used. Are you sure? I thought that pack with the 10 muscle cars was only free if people drop however many Microsoft funbux on the season pass.
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MUFFlNS posted:Tweaking and adjusting the physics engine is possible. Obviously they couldn't just patch in a whole new physics engine (this is where you're getting confused I think) but doing tweaks such as making the steering assist optional etc should have been easy for Turn 10 to implement. Everything they said and everything I played tells me that they overhauled the physics engine way beyond tweaks and making the steering asssist optional. The whole tire simulation is supposed to be brand new. Granted, they could have overstated their efforts, but I don't quite have any reason to believe they did so. In the end it probably comes down to "how it feels" a lot, and there it gets highly subjective anyway. Edit: MUFFlNS posted:Adjusting physics after launch is by no means impossible though Agreed, of course! Day Man posted:I never liked amalfi full, actually. Liked it in theory, never actually played it all that often. GhostDog fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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Residency Evil posted:Isn't braking distance increased without it though? You'll actually end up with shorter braking distances with ABS off. Absolute maximum braking force is when you keep the tires on the ragged edge of lockup, and ABS can't quite do that. ABS is in a constant cycle of "OH poo poo LOCKUP" -> let off the brakes a bit until lockup stops -> "Oh, no lockup?" -> Back to full pressure -> "OH poo poo LOCKUP". Without ABS, as you get more skilled, you'll be able to find and keep the brakes at that point between full lockup and none whatsoever, and you'll stop harder and be able to brake later.
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FM3's Positano full is not in the game. Only the short version (FM3 "Almafli") is in, which is now just called "Positano" in FM4. The full version has been cut, along with New York, the Bugatti Circuit and all of the Sidewinders.
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Oct 7, 2011 21:42
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If anyone got a spare LCE I will gladly buy it, apparently there's no other place with LCE in stock
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Ahahaha, holy poo poo. I finally got around to picking up the demo, and all I can say is I'm going to be using nothing but muscle cars once the full game drops. Mercury Cougar all day erryday, bodyroll from hell and it drifts like a mad bastard 
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Ringo Star Get posted:If anyone got a spare LCE I will gladly buy it, apparently there's no other place with LCE in stock http://www.frys.com/product/6713825?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG Crustashio posted:Is the metal fanatec shifter actually that much better? I have the turbo S with the plastic shifter and it actually turned me off from playing forza 3 because the shifter was so loving terrible. It's WAY too notchy and constantly gets caught in the gates. Compared to a G25/G27 the fanatec shifter is just unusable and nothing like a proper car. Yeah, it's a huge improvement and makes shifting fun instead of "Not done because the plastic shifter is too noisy and random".
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Ether Frenzy posted:http://www.frys.com/product/6713825?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG It fixes the horrible 2-3, and 4-5 shift getting caught on the gate in the shifter?
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Ether Frenzy posted:http://www.frys.com/product/6713825?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG I loving love you. I will get your back down the road. Trust me. I've been freaking out because I've been low on cash until my three checks arrived TODAY and all day I've been trying to find an LCE pre-order!
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MUFFlNS posted:Are you sure? I thought that pack with the 10 muscle cars was only free if people drop however many Microsoft funbux on the season pass. 
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MUFFlNS posted:I feel the same way, the only new tracks I'm excited for is the Bernese Alps (which is fantastic to drive around) and Infineon. I suppose I'd be more excited if all five of the new tracks were ones I like but considering we're losing a few tracks already (New York, Amalfi full, Bugatti Circuit at La Sarthe) along with the Porsche license, I think it would have been better if they just released DLC for Forza 3 instead of making a new game since the new content is minimal and we could have kept the missing tracks and Porsche. Ok so the physics were terrible but Turn 10 could have just patched them anyways. We've reached a plateau for content. They could have every car and track in existence and it wouldn't really matter because stuffing all of that into the regular racing game mould wouldn't be progress. Instead T10 has improved on things that needed improving; expanded on other ideas; and implemented completely new ones. Where Gran Turismo 5 accrued licenses left, right and centre, T10 partnered up with one licensee - Top Gear - to create something new and worthwhile. You can have your opinion about the lighting, looks are subjective, but the new physics system is objectively the best we've seen in a modern [accessible] sim racer. We have rivals, trackdays, improved driver progression and new community features. Then there's the career mode that lets you use the one car you like the most, for almost all your races. Or would you rather buy fifty Skylines and have a 47-race grind series that takes you around the world in each car?
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