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Sorry for bailing last night, LLJK. It wasn't me. It was my wheel. (no, rly!) It tried to reconnect to the xbox (thus hanging the race at the Environment Screen), and then just...died. Quick trip to Best Buy today, and that poo poo is sorted. Boosted_C5 posted:Ugh. I race with pubbies pretty frequently when there's not a goon race handy, and there are some very usable tricks, but they work mostly when you're in a party with some other people who are out to have fun, and not necessarily out to win against a bunch of random people driving like they're 85 years old. We'll do crazy, but fun, poo poo like pick 100 point stock Toyota Aygos. Once you get 4-5 people in the room picking that, even the people not in your party will start picking that car... There's always the one clueless guy who sticks to his 200 point Chevy Spark with the Leaderboard tune, but fighting for 2nd and 3rd becomes a real race. Each subsequent round, someone in the party picks a car, and we race that wherever is next. One night Tom picked the 151 point Hummer, and then the track wound up being Positano. Hilarious, and terrible, all at the same time. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Nov 6, 2011 |
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Come one, come all to the first of (N >= 1) Thursday Endurance Races! WHO: YOU!!! WHEN: Thursday, 10 November 2011, 3AM GMT (7PM PST/10PM EST), with warmup/practice starting 1 hour earlier. WHERE: Your Friendly Local XBOX Live Account!! WHAT? There has been some discussion of doing some longer races (that are not GTCC races) in the last few days. So, what the hell, I've (GT: JabsTheGoon) decided to give it a whirl! (I'm relatively new at this, so don't expect the polish you might expect otherwise.) This first week will be a one hour "Showroom Spec Miata" sprint at Laguna Seca. The car modification and setup rules are adapted as closely as possible from the NASA 'Showroom Spec Miata' rulebook. Warmup will be several 5 or 10 minute sessions. Patience and accuracy count! Non-incidental contact that results in upsetting a competitor's car (moves them off their racing line, requires corrective steering input to remain in control, etc.) will require a mandatory 'Drive-through' penalty on pit lane. Multiple contacts in the same lap will require multiple drive-throughs on consecutive laps. CAR: 1994 Mazda Miata PAINT: All cars shall have a 'quickie' custom Design applied consisting of at least the following. * A clearly visible one or two digit number between 00 and 99 on each door, and the hood. The Car Class (SM) is optional. * Toyo Tire sponsor decals. * Mazda and or Mazdaspeed sponsor decals. * (optional) I'll have a Something Awful 'sponsor sticker' available in my Storefront. It's there now, but I'll post it up as a freebie when I get home after work. ALLOWED MODIFICATIONS Car shall use stock parts in all locations EXCEPT: ENGINE Exhaust: Stock (OEM) or Street (Mazda Comp Exhaust) allowed Radiator and Oil Cooling: Stock, Sport, or Race PLATFORM AND HANDLING Brakes: Stock or Sport (Stainless brake lines) Shocks: Race Springs and Dampers: Race Anti-Roll Bars: F: Race R: Stock Chassis Reinforcement and Roll Cage: Race Weight Reduction: Race DRIVELINE Transmission: Race (See gear ratio requirements below) Clutch: Sport (ACT pressure plate) allowed Differential: Stock or Race: Final Drive ratio must be set to 4.30:1, Accel and Decel set to 50%. TIRES AND RIMS Wheels: Any 15" wheel EXCEPT: Stock Mazda wheels, Buddy Club P1 Racing QF, Dymag 9 Spoke, Holeshot (ALL), Konig After Burner, RS Watanabe Cyclone, TSW Trackstar 4, Volk RE30, Weld Magnum III. Tires: Race compound in 205/50R15 size. AERO AND APPEARANCE Aerodynamic Mods: Forza-branded Front Spoiler allowed. TUNING Alignment Limits - Do Not Exceed F: Camber -3.0*, Toe-in +0.2* (out), Caster +Max* R: Camber -2.5*, Toe-in -0.2* (in) Race Transmission Gear Ratio Requirements: 1st: 3.136 2nd: 1.888 3rd: 1.333 4th: 1.000 5th: 0.814 6th: 0.814 Required Springs F: 700# R: 300# Questions? Comments? Should I gently caress right the hell off? EDIT: I r prufread better. STOCK or STREET (not SPORT) Exhaust. It's cat removal, not headers. Derp. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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T-Square posted:I put everything on that's allowed, including the front wing and I'm at C415 with BBS RS-GTs. What am I missing? I come up with a limit of C385 with the (correct) street exhaust and only C404 with the (typo) Sport exhaust. I have to put on the Race Intake to get to C415. Race Oil Cooling Street Brakes Race Springs and Dampers Race/Stock F/R bars Full Cage Race weight reduction. Street Clutch Race Diff and transmission Lightweight wheels (but not the lightest) No Aero.
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xzzy posted:I guess a good way to test this is do some stock races, and watch if the same patterns develop. It's coming up at 7PST / 8MST / 9CST / 10EST tonight. I'll post 3 tunes with all of the allowed upgrades to my Storefront for those that don't want to muck about with it. I used the Forza4 Tuning Spreadsheet, and I think it came out reasonably balanced. I've used that same spreadsheet on several of my other cars in the last few days, and they've all come out the other side of it being MUCH more driveable, with less of (whatever happened to bothering me about it), with the exception of the Bel-Air, which swapped piglike understeer for a moderate amount of power-on oversteer. It seems like a pretty good starting place to me, and it's well supported with reference data. 'Spec Miata Aero' is ForzaTuned with Aero on it with max downforce (100#) set. 'Spec Miata' is ForzaTuned with no Aero. SpecMiata is upgraded to the limit, with no adjustments. I'll also gift it if you want one to muck about with the tune, with the caveat that Transmission and Spring adjustments aren't allowed, and there are limits on camber. Shoot me (JabsTheGoon) a FR and a message to remind me that you want the tune. ENTRY LIST: 1. JabsTheGoon 2. Crow T Macbot (Flint Ironstag) 3. Turb0Snail (T-square) 4. Fryskate 5. matybara 6. Logue 1 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. Also - any suggestions on how to get everyone to the same place at the same time are completely welcome! Also, I don't remember if I got around to posting this. Anyone interested? Looks like a riot, and there's quite a pot full of Spacebucks available as prizes. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Nov 11, 2011 |
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It was a decent turnout for a first event, and I think everyone had a good time, aside from some grumbling about the Cockpit View. Asmodai slipped from 2nd to 8th in the first turn on the first lap, running wide into the dirt. Wups. (Dude - if you'd have held on, Crow overdrove a couple laps and trashed his car. I think everyone lapped him eventually! *grins*) There was a good fight for 2nd and 3rd going on during the final 2-3 laps, but like hell if I'm going to fast forward 90 times in the replay editor to get to it. Consistency was really the key, along with being able to get through the Corkscrew consistently without hitting the sand. Logue and I were using the exact same setup, and had VASTLY different results. It went well enough that N>1 for this series. I've co-opted the BMW CCA's Spec E36 Points Structure for this series. * 5 points for taking the green flag at any event. * 10/7/5/4/3/2/1 points for finishing in 1st-7th place. * 1 bonus point for each car behind you that does not DNF. After week 1, the standings look like this (I think - I relied on the replay to tell me who took what position, and gently caress fast-forwarding 90 times. If I got it wrong, let me know, and I'll fix it): code:BMWCCA Spec E36, Spec Miata (which is different than Showroom Stock SpecMiata), NASA Spec E30, Spec RX-7, etc. Thanks to all who showed up! I thought everyone did a pretty awesome job painting the cars using 'to spec', too. I thought Asmodai's car was hilarious. I'll post up some Spec E36 Rules by Sunday! Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Nov 11, 2011 |
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Bentai posted:Thrilled you're thinking about a Wednesday move. I wanted to participate but Thursdays are GTCC:CCC nights. So barring the missus and I doing something, I should be able to race with you fine folk.  Wednesday it is! Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Nov 11, 2011 |
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Logue posted:Jabs, can you put the miata replay on your storefront?
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Dudley posted:My housemate had a 1985 Ford Escort with a CVT. I'm sad that I didn't have to look that up.
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Quabzor posted:Is anyone on now? I haven't done any goon racing in quite sometime. Shoot Freakenstien69 a FR, though. He's not a goon, but he's usually on, and he's a RIOT to party up (or down) with, and that's a bandwagon that a number of goons will jump on, I'm sure. =) Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Nov 12, 2011 |
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ihop posted:I think Deathgibs is the head honcho who approves new members. Not sure what his forums name is, but he seems to play forza in spurts, almost like he has real world obligations or something. Logue posted:I'm throwing my Daytona's setup/tune onto the LLJK club garage... This makes me very, very sad. even sadder than a double post
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OK, OK. I'm a day late and a spacebuck short. I blame Skyrim for eating 31 of my 48 weekend hours. Jabs posted:I'll post up some Spec E36 Rules by Sunday! Come one, come all to the second of (N >= 2) Wednesday GoonSpec Sprint Races! WHO: YOU!!! WHEN: Wednesday, 16 November 2011, 3AM GMT (7PM PST/10PM EST), with warmup and practice starting 1 hour earlier. WHERE: Your Friendly Local XBOX Live Account!! WHAT? Last week was a ton of fun, so now we're up for round two of the GoonSpec Endurance Sprint! This week will be a "BMW CCA Spec E36" race. CAR: 1997 BMW M3 Sedan PAINT: All cars should have a custom Design applied consisting of at least the following. All are two per car, except Tire Rack, which is one. If you find them in someone's Storefront, please be so kind as to share the love. =) * BMW CCA Club Racing Logo (one per side) * Tire Rack ("Windshield Banner" - get creative since we can't decal glass) - foamy53fsp has these available in his storefront in both black and white. * Sunoco One per side. * BimmerWorld * VAC Motorsports * H&R "placed prominently, one on each side of the car between the wheel wells". * Grassroots Motorsports * Show your Goon Love somehow. NUMBERING - quoting from the BMW Car Club of America Rulebook - try to adhere to the spirit contained herein, but also be creative... All cars must display easily readable numbers and class designation for identification. These must be displayed on each side, front (hood) and rear of the vehicle, of significant size and color differentiation from the background color so as to be clearly seen by event officials. Side and hood numbers shall be a minimum of 8 inches high with a 1.5- to 2-inch stroke. The rear number shall be a minimum of 3 inches high with a minimum 0.5-inch stroke. Class identification shall be near the numbers and be a minimum of 3 inches high. Cars running in the Spec E36 class must use the class identification SE36. ALLOWED MODIFICATIONS All components must remain stock unless listed below. Intake and Air Filter: Stock - "The stock air box and intake must be retained. The air filter panel is free." There is no "street" option, whose icon is an air filter element. Fuel and Injectors: Stock- "Stock fuel injection for the chassis, model, and engine must be retained." Ignition: Stock- "Spark plugs are free. Coil packs must remain stock." Flywheel: Stock- "The stock flywheel must be used without modification." Exhaust: Stock- "Exhaust system are free after the stock header, which must remain." Clutch: Stock"The clutch and pressure plate shall have the same weight and have the same size and number of clutch disk(s) as originally equipped for the chassis and model. Radiator and Oil Cooling: Any - "Any radiator may be used, providing it is mounted in the original location, maintains the same plane as the original core, and requires no body or structure modifications to install." and "Engine oil coolers are free." Transmission: Race - See gear ratio requirements below. You must pick either transmission A or B. Differential: Race - Final Drive ratio must be set to 3.15:1, Accel and Decel set to 75/0%. Shocks: Race - (H&R E36 RSS Club Sport Coilover Kit + BMW CCA Club Racing Fixed Camber Plates required. Anti-Sway Bars: UUC Sway Barbarians F: Race R: Race Brakes: Stock (OEM) Wheels: Any 17" EXCEPT[/b]: Buddy Club P1 Racing QF, Dymag 9 Spoke, Holeshot (ALL), Konig After Burner, RS Watanabe Cyclone, TSW Trackstar 4, Volk RE30, Weld Magnum III. Tires: Sport (BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KDW2) Tire size: 245/40R17 Aerodynamic Mods: Stock or Street. No Splitters (Race) allowed). No wings allowed. Weight Removal: Any Stiffening: Full cage required Real World Alignments Limits - Do Not Exceed F: Camber -4.5* R: Any Race Transmission Gear Ratio Requirements: Final Drive: 3.15:1 and the Lockup (acceleration) setting shall not be less than 75% (25% lockup) Gearing Options (Select One) A) 4.23 / 2.52 / 1.66 / 1.22 / 1.00 / 1.00 (318i/323i/323i) B) 4.20 / 2.49 / 1.66 / 1.24 / 1.00 / 1.00 (328i/M3) Your car should weigh at least 2,970 pounds - but I haven't had a chance to test it. Consider that the goal for minimum weight. There will be one mandatory pit - Driver's choice on when. Jabs posted:It went well enough that N>1 for this series. I've co-opted the BMW CCA's Spec E36 Points Structure for this series. See you all on Wednesday! Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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jadebullet posted:Yeah... do we REALLY have to have all of those emblems on our cars? When I've gone looking for Spec Series rules, I haven't found a single one yet that doesn't have some sort of required decal set. NASA Showroom Stock Miata was the lightest of the bunch so far, in that they only require the Toyo and Mazda logos. Generally, each series requires any mandatory decals listed in the car clubs CCR's (BMWCCA, NASA, SCCA, etc.) and some additional ones for the Spec Series. Now, how that's going to be enforced at a regional vs. national event will, I'm sure, be variable... That said, there's a not so fine line between "We're here to simulate a real world series as best we can in an Xbox game", and "gently caress that, we're simulating a real world series in a loving XBOX GAME!" Err on the side of having fun. Each week, I'm going to list what the real world series requires, just to set a bar. Like the allowable mods, that bar will be set by whatever's in the actual rulebook for that series. Unlike the allowable mods, I'll leave it up to you guys to go for capturing the spirit of those rules (i.e. not just slapping a black number on a dark blue car and calling it a day), while still keeping your own sense of fun and individuality. You're not going to get DQed if you've gone so far as to put numbers on your car. The graphics 'rules' are ultimately there as a guide to roughly what your car would look like if you'd built it out for real - i.e. Spec E36 should have ~7 stickers on each side, while Showroom Stock Spec Miata only required 2. FWIW, my personal favorite sponsors (and I've been using them on and off since NASCAR Racing 2003 Season was The Big Game) are Slumberil, Binford Tools, Big Kahuna Burger and Duff Beer. I am considering adding a weekly points bonus for 'best' and 'gooniest' cars, so that the guys (who, like me, aren't goddamn Logue  ) have a way to score some series points that don't involve "loving drive better, doosh!" Thoughts?
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jadebullet posted:I think that it is going to be fun to have a spec race every week. quote:Oh, and sorry if I came off like a douche in the last post. Lots of work the past few days, and almost no sleep made me a bit off when it came to social interaction.  quote:Oh, and is there any chance at some point we can run a "24 hours of LeMons" race. (pretty much, cars under a cetain price, including upgrades-cage) My first thought was "Stock Toyota Aygos + Roll Cage! GO!", but I like the idea of slower qualifying laps earning you upgrades. I just don't know how much engine you'd have to give someone like me or Asmodai to make us reasonably competitive with someone like Logue... Perhaps I'll shorten the Sprint next week from 60 minutes practice + 60 minutes Spec race to 30/30 for the Spec Race and grab that last 30 minutes for a LeMons race, with your finishing place in that race determining what upgrades you get for the next week?
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speedtek posted:I work too late to be able to participate in the SE36 race, but last night for shits I tried to build an M3 to as close to the actual SE36 rules as I could. Does anyone have any idea what the spring rates are on the Spec suspension? I can't believe how much time I spent looking in every possible place online and couldn't find the answer anywhere. I did find that the sway bars are 27mm in the front and 24mm rear. The quickie tuning guide that I used before I went to the full blown spreadsheet is Thor's Tuning Guide. The spring starting place he gives is: (weight of car * % of weight on that axle) * .3828 = starting spring rate. For a 1000 pound car with 55% of the weight up front: F: 1000 * 0.55 * 0.3828 = 210 R: 1000 * 0.45 * 0.3828 = 172 Once you've got springs dialed in, you want to set damping. The example he gives is: F: Bump: (Spring Rate * .00734) Rebound: (Spring Rate * .01445) R: Bump: (Spring Rate * .00718) Rebound: (Spring Rate * .01436) On our hypothetical 1000 pound car, then: FB: 1.54 FR: 3.03 RB: 1.24 RR: 2.48 Drive it around some with telemetry on (preferably over the bumps at Maple Valley) looking for two things: A) Is it compliant when you hit a bump with only one side of the car? If you're flipping over at MV, your springs are probably too stiff. Soften and recalculate bump and rebound. B) Does the suspension bottom out over big bumps? If you're bottoming out at MV, your springs are too soft. Stiffen and recalculate bump and rebound. Once you're happy with how the car deals with bumps, you can dial in some under/oversteer the way you like with the swaybars 0.2 points at a time. Stiffer in the front will give more understeer/push and softer in the front will give you more oversteer/loose. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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T-Square posted:Jabs, are you going to give us a track yet? I don't mean to come off like a jerk, but multiple people have been asking and we haven't heard an answer yet The obvious picks are Road Atlanta or Road America, but I hate them both, so I haven't picked one yet. I want Watkins Glen with the Boot, M'kay? Also, I finally got a chance to actually BUILD one of these bastards, and it turns out that "stock" on this car *is* the "street" option on other cars. Here's the updated/corrected Mod Chart. ALLOWED MODIFICATIONS All components must remain stock unless listed below. Intake and Air Filter: Stock - "The stock air box and intake must be retained. The air filter panel is free." Fuel and Injectors: Stock- "Stock fuel injection for the chassis, model, and engine must be retained." Ignition: Stock- "Spark plugs are free. Coil packs must remain stock." Flywheel: Stock- "The stock flywheel must be used without modification." Exhaust: Stock- "Exhaust system are free after the stock header, which must remain." Clutch: Stock"The clutch and pressure plate shall have the same weight and have the same size and number of clutch disk(s) as originally equipped for the chassis and model. Radiator and Oil Cooling: Any - "Any radiator may be used, providing it is mounted in the original location, maintains the same plane as the original core, and requires no body or structure modifications to install." and "Engine oil coolers are free." Transmission: Race - See gear ratio requirements below. You must pick either transmission A or B. Differential: Race - Final Drive ratio must be set to 3.15:1, Accel and Decel set to 75/0%. Shocks: Race - (H&R E36 RSS Club Sport Coilover Kit + BMW CCA Club Racing Fixed Camber Plates required. Anti-Sway Bars: UUC Sway Barbarians F: Race R: Race Brakes: Stock (OEM) Wheels: Any 17" EXCEPT[/b]: Buddy Club P1 Racing QF, Dymag 9 Spoke, Holeshot (ALL), Konig After Burner, RS Watanabe Cyclone, TSW Trackstar 4, Volk RE30, Weld Magnum III. Tires: Sport (BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KDW2) Tire size: 245/40R17 Aerodynamic Mods: Stock or Street. No Splitters (Race) allowed). No wings allowed. Weight Removal: Any but Race (Sport weight reduction clears minimum race weight by 60 pounds, while race is underweight by 270. I'm a fat old man, and even with me in the car, it'd still be ~40 pounds underweight.) Stiffening: Full cage required. Real World Alignments Limits - Do Not Exceed F: Camber -4.5* R: Any Race Transmission Gear Ratio Requirements: Final Drive: 3.15:1 and the Lockup (acceleration) setting shall not be less than 75% (25% lockup) Gearing Options (Select One) A) 4.23 / 2.52 / 1.66 / 1.22 / 1.00 / 1.00 (318i/323i/323i) B) 4.20 / 2.49 / 1.66 / 1.24 / 1.00 / 1.00 (328i/M3) Your car should weigh at least 2,970 pounds - but I haven't had a chance to test it. Consider that the goal for minimum weight. Edit: After testing, Race weight reduction takes too much off. Sport Weight Reduction is the cap. I come up with 527 points with Volk TE37's on. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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Boaz - the race is an open (and open ended, at this point) series, and I've decided to go with 10 bonus points each week for two categories, so as to give slower/shittier/unlucky/crashing/newer drivers a shot at "not last!" bragging rights. "Best Paint" - Does your car look like a race car with sponsor stickers and some sort of theme to the paint? "Most Creative Paint" - Go Hog Wild! ISCI - Love to have you in the Spec Series Tonight! I think it's going to be at Silverstone GP (the long one). I don't much like Silverstone, but it's not, like, Motegi.  Jadebullet - Shoot me (JabsTheGoon) a friend request.
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Yeah, that was...rough. The funny thing is that I drive the sedan version as my daily driver, and it's nowhere NEAR as terrible as that. I'll update the standings here in a little bit. Also, it kicked me out before I could save the replay, so I didn't get a chance to look at anyone's paint. :grr* If you're interested in the bonus points, post it up in your storefront, I'll DL it and have a look. Tonight's Results code:code:Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Nov 17, 2011 |
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Irish Legend posted:I stopped in at Best Buy to pick up some compressed air today and played a little bit of NFS Rush that they had on display. Now I dont know if it was the lovely Sony tv they were using, but that game looks like garbage. I know not to expect too much from NFS games, but really, it looked bad. Glad i did not spend the money this year on their game. Skyrim and the SWTOR beta weekend got me. Yes, there will be the regularly scheduled race. Also, I will be pulling it out of my rear end, as regularly scheduled.  Probably E30 or some weird lemons race.
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My friend Randy poo poo a brick when I linked him the DLC pack... This is his weekend driver. It's an '81.
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My take on the Prowler is that it was a loving *brilliant* piece of niche marketing - aimed squarely at the peers of my dad. Born in '37. Graduated High School the year James Dean died. Probably drove some 1930's clapped out Dodge. Spent some time being a car guy in the golden age of the '50's. Maybe built what would be a 'rat rod' today out of an old model T. Met this girl along the way, and married her in the early to middle 60's. Traded the Rat Rod for maybe a Ford Coupe or Olds Holiday 88. First kid comes along in '68. Second one in '70. 1974 brings a third kid, and an AMC Hornet or Chevy Impala station wagon. In 1984, the station wagon goes away, and now there's a Dodge Caravan in the driveway. His soul is crushed. In 1992, the youngest child goes off to college. In 1996, the youngest child graduates college. In 1997, Dear old Dad has a mid-life crisis, returns to his T-bucket roots, and buys a loving Prowler, because he's officially Too Old For This poo poo. See? Brilliant. =)
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Welp. Tonight I'm pussing out - because I got 2 hours of sleep last night (gently caress loving insomnia. She is a cruel mistress.) and because I'm working on something loving EXCELLENT for next week. Spec Miata at Infineon tonight. Rules Here Also, I'm pulling in people from SA, the Rocky Mountain SCCA Autocross forums (RMSOLO.org), and the word's filtering out to other groups from there by word of mouth. Starting this week, you'll be able to find the rules du jour at: http://www.jonathonbarton.net/index.php/tag/forza/ I'm going to try to get ahead of the curve this week, and have both the results updated, and the rules for next week posted within 24 hours.
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Come one, come all to the first of (N >= 3) Wednesday Endurance Races! WHO: YOU!!! WHEN: Wednesday, 30 November 2011, 3AM GMT (7PM PST/10PM EST), with warmup/practice starting 1 hour earlier. WHERE: Your Friendly Local XBOX Live Account!! NO, WAIT! TO INFINEON! AND BEYOND! WHAT? This week will be a one hour "Showroom Spec Miata" sprint at Laguna Seca. The car modification and setup rules are adapted as closely as possible from the NASA 'Showroom Spec Miata' rulebook. Warmup will be several 5 or 10 minute sessions. Patience and accuracy count! Non-incidental contact that results in upsetting a competitor's car (moves them off their racing line, requires corrective steering input to remain in control, etc.) will require a mandatory 'Drive-through' penalty on pit lane. Multiple contacts in the same lap will require multiple drive-throughs on consecutive laps. CAR: 1994 Mazda Miata PAINT: All cars shall have a 'quickie' custom Design applied consisting of at least the following. * A clearly visible one or two digit number between 00 and 99 on each door, and the hood. The Car Class (SM) is optional. * Toyo Tire sponsor decals. * Mazda and or Mazdaspeed sponsor decals. * (optional) I'll have a Something Awful 'sponsor sticker' available in my Storefront. It's there now, but I'll post it up as a freebie when I get home after work. ALLOWED MODIFICATIONS Car shall use stock parts in all locations EXCEPT: ENGINE Exhaust: Stock (OEM) or Street (Mazda Comp Exhaust) allowed Radiator and Oil Cooling: Stock, Sport, or Race PLATFORM AND HANDLING Brakes: Stock or Sport (Stainless brake lines) Shocks: Race Springs and Dampers: Race Anti-Roll Bars: F: Race R: Stock Chassis Reinforcement and Roll Cage: Race Weight Reduction: Race DRIVELINE Transmission: Race (See gear ratio requirements below) Clutch: Sport (ACT pressure plate) allowed Differential: Stock or Race: Final Drive ratio must be set to 4.30:1, Accel and Decel set to 50%. TIRES AND RIMS Wheels: Any 15" wheel EXCEPT: Stock Mazda wheels, Buddy Club P1 Racing QF, Dymag 9 Spoke, Holeshot (ALL), Konig After Burner, RS Watanabe Cyclone, TSW Trackstar 4, Volk RE30, Weld Magnum III. Tires: Race compound in 205/50R15 size. AERO AND APPEARANCE Aerodynamic Mods: Forza-branded Front Spoiler allowed. TUNING Alignment Limits - Do Not Exceed F: Camber -3.0*, Toe-in +0.2* (out), Caster +Max* R: Camber -2.5*, Toe-in -0.2* (in) Race Transmission Gear Ratio Requirements: 1st: 3.136 2nd: 1.888 3rd: 1.333 4th: 1.000 5th: 0.814 6th: 0.814 Required Springs F: 700# R: 300# ALSO: Did a little cleaning up on the scoring: GoonSPEC Current Season 1 Points Standings Current Points Standings code:code:code:Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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FreelanceSocialist posted:Dude. It took all of 5 minutes to spec out. Relax. He'd also have to gift it to each one of us so we can tune the unrestricted bits. You can spec the car in 5-7 minutes, and spend 2-3 hours squeezing the last bit of performance out of it, if you want. I'm going to have to post the rules for next week later on tonight - We're movin' on up to a proper series - Not only will you have to tune your setup, you'll have to pick a car from a list first.
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What a race... Less than three minutes into the hour long Enduro, Crow T. Macbot had an unfortunate off that spun him into the dirt and back on to the track...right on the racing line. Two cars missed him, but Freelance Socialist? Not so lucky. One place I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to view a racetrack from is *above*.  Results: code:30 Crow T Macbot 28 JabsTheGoon 25 Freelance Socialist 20 Minimaul AK 17 Turb0Snail 16 Irish Legend 16 Popehoist 15 Logue 1 13 UnheardWar 12 Boaz McPherson 10 Krautastic 9 Matybara 8 Fryskate 7 I Said Come In! 5 Asmodai_0 5 Bentron Duct Tape! Freelance, you sly dog you! 
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Dec 1, 2011 07:53
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Sunday Punch posted:I hope you have photos and video from this.
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Dec 1, 2011 08:43
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We're stepping up our game here a GoonSpec Laboratories! I think there will be a few issues to hammer out with this, so: A) I'm posting it as early as I can. B) I'm planning on running this series for the next several weeks to address issues/questions/misunderstandings, etc. Come one, come all to the first of (N >= 4) Wednesday GoonSpec Endurance Races! WHO: YOU!!! WHEN: Wednesday, 7 December 2011, 3AM GMT (7PM PST/10PM EST), with warmup/practice starting 1 hour earlier. WHERE: Your Friendly Local XBOX Live Account!! WHAT? A RACE THAT WILL LIIIIIVE IN INFAAAAMY! This week, we step it up a notch and visit the NASA US Touring Car Championship! Remember: Patience and accuracy count! Non-incidental contact that results in upsetting a competitor’s car (moves them off their racing line, requires corrective steering input to remain in control, etc.) will require a mandatory ‘Drive-through’ penalty on pit lane. Multiple contacts in the same lap will require multiple drive-throughs on consecutive laps. CAR: Pick an eligible car off of this list: http://www.ustcc.com/pdf_doc/2011_VSS.pdf Minimum Weight = HP * 11.3 2001 Acura/Honda Integra Mazdaspeed RX-8 Mini Cooper S 2003 Toyota Celica Minimum Weight = HP * 11.5 Acura RSX Honda Prelude SiR Minimum Weight = HP * 11.7 Chevy Cobalt SS Dodge SRT-4 Mazdaspeed 3 Minimum Weight = HP * 12.2 BMW E36 M3 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Minimum Weight = HP * 12.45 Ford Taurus SHO Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X Subaru Legacy 2003 VW R32 If you'd like to refer to the NASA published rules, they are here: PAINT: The car should have an overall appearance of a dedicated-use non-street legal racecar being entered into a relatively high profile race series. Some samples include: http://www.ustcc.com/photos/06_08_pir/images/ustcc_22.jpg http://www.ustcc.com/photos/06_08_pir/images/ustcc_07.jpg http://www.ustcc.com/photos/05_sema/images/ustcc_01.jpg http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/DOBSON.jpg http://www.ustcc.com/photos/06_06_pir/images/ustcc_22.jpg etc. A clearly visible number on all 4 sides of the car. Manufacturer's Logo Driver's Name Nitto Tire Assorted other sponsor decals, including NASA and/or USTCC. RESTRICTED MODIFICATIONS Car shall use ANY part in ANY location EXCEPT: ENGINE Turbocharger: Stock Supercharger: Stock Intercooler: Stock Pistons: Stock Displacement Modification: Stock PLATFORM AND HANDLING Chassis Reinforcement and Roll Cage: Race Weight Reduction: Any1 DRIVELINE Transmission: Race2 Differential: Any3 TIRES AND RIMS Wheels: Any 17 inch wheel Tires: Race Compound in 225/45-17 size4, TUNING 1 - Calculate your HP/weight ratio, and adjust Weight Reduction components to meet your power to weight ratio. 2 - Consult the linked PDF for your required transmission and final drive gear ratios. 3 - Center Differentials must remain stock torque split. 4 - 225/40-18 may be used as an alternate in cases where there is no 17″ rim available. Scoring 5 points for taking the green flag. 10 points for first place. 7 points for second place. 5 points for third place. 4 points for fourth place. 3 points for fifth place. 2 points for sixth place. 1 point for seventh place. 1 bonus point for each car behind you that does not DNF. 5 bonus points for "Best Paint" (realistic/believable/reproduction) 5 bonus points for "best" Paint (whimiscal or goony) 1 bonus point for posting your favorite screenshot from the event. 1-5 discretionary bonus points for posting a 15-30 second YouTube video of your favorite moment from the event. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Dec 1, 2011 |
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Dec 1, 2011 21:15
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xzzy posted:They really do need a Top Gear car pack, which includes the Reliant Robin, some random motorhome (sorry, caravan), a Mercedes Sprinter, and a school bus.
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Dec 2, 2011 00:24
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FreelanceSocialist posted:Jabs, can you double-check your Power-to-Weight methodology? The Genesis Coupe I am trying to tune cannot meet the 12.2 ratio. That would mean at 306hp, my minimum weight would be over 3700 pounds. What am I supposed to do, put a Datsun in the trunk? Yeah, I'm at work, so I can't check them in game. The actual formula is in the first few pages of the rulebook I linked . I'm sure part of it is that NASA uses wheel HP. EDIT: I left the E46's out because the E46 M3 is specifically excluded, but I guess since I included the "uprated" versions of some of the other cars (the b.spec Legacy, f'rinstance), if nobody 'protests', I won't have a problem. If that's the case, should I lop on the 2000 Audi S4, as well? Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Dec 2, 2011 |
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Dec 2, 2011 00:28
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Flint Ironstag posted:Which puts the Mini at not 11.3, but 11.5 lbs/hp. And I'm not taking the time to check the rest of the list, since I already declared for the Mini. Fixt. Also, I have no idea where Turn 10 gets their HP figure for the E36 M3. That's a RIDICULOUSLY high number. Even highly modified M3's are turning out over **100** fewer HP than Turn 10 claims. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Dec 2, 2011 |
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Dec 2, 2011 03:28
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I'm checking each one of them in game to see how they measure up stock. I'll probably wind up having to apply an 'effective HP modification' to account for the difference between Turn 10 using Crank HP, and NASA wanting Wheel HP. code:I'm going to try to account for driveline loss for the 'best guess' I have from looking for answers for two hours. quote:6.12.3. A base minimum weight must be declared based on the following formula and the horsepower declared in 6.12.2. The minimum weight is calculated using the following formula: After introducing a factor for the differences between crank and dyno HP, this is what the table looks like: code:The E36 is completely broken, and I'm removing it from the list. That extra 81HP explains a LOT why I commented 2 weeks ago that my Daily Driver ('97 M3 Sedan) drove NOTHING like that... The E46 M3 looks like it could be shoehorned in as a replacement with a 0.2 point drop for RWD down to a flat 10.0, with a 0.2 raise for the Genesis and E46 for having more than 2.5 liters on tap. The E46 M3 would have to be basically stock - only 45 pounds of weight reduction to play with. FWIW: I can get the E46 to 342hp/3485 pounds, which would fit in a "10.0 + 0.2 for over 2.5 liters" RWD scenario. Thoughts? Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Dec 2, 2011 |
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Dec 2, 2011 06:40
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:I think I'm at the point where I can often make laps without careening off the course.. Fortuitous Bumble posted:I just want to make sure I have this right, you're choosing a car, then upgrading the power and reducing weight until you meet the hp/lb limit? I was messing around with the RSX and got it to 2680 lbs and 274 horsepower times 9.75 is 2670 lbs so I think that fits. It would be really nice if there was some sort of restrictor upgrade to let you fine tune power without having to screw around with combos of engine upgrades. The process I went through last night was to select the car, cage it up under Handling, as required. Add the Race Transmission, Race Brakes, Sway Bars, and Diff so I can tune it properly. Upgrade to the lightweight Buddy Club wheels, Set the wheel size to 17" and the width to 225-45/17 (or as close as I could get), and Race Compound. Take the existing weight at this point and divide by the 'class factor' to get my approximate horsepower 'cap'. Start the balancing game of adding and removing parts and recalculating until I found a balance I was happy with. It's going to be quite a bit more challenging than Showroom Stock Spec Miata has been - You can build a Spec Miata in, like, 5 minutes. * Buy a Miata. * Download Logue 1's Miata Tune off his Storefront. * Go Race. * Know for a fact that you're slow because you're a lovely driver, not because it's a crappy tune.  P.S. Boaz - the Spec Miata we've run a couple times is a NASA series, too. =)
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Dec 2, 2011 18:27
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:Quick question about adding power to cars. Is there any reason to go with one certain engine upgrade over another? I know that some of them like exhaust can reduce the vehicle weight as well as add power, and some add weight like the oil coolers. However, say I need to add a couple points to the PI...is there any reason to upgrade the exhaust to the next level instead of an air filter upgrade? Or the fuel/ignition upgrade? http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/4859908.aspx The guy did the work for one of the Mustangs (as it had almost all of the possible upgrades available), and he worked out the power to weight to PI increases for each component, then prioritized them. Pretty neat stuff. I noticed that I had the wrong SHO about 1am last night. gently caress it, the new one is enormous. If you think you can be competitive with it, go for it. =)
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Dec 2, 2011 19:42
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jadebullet posted:Any idea on what courses might be chosen for this race. I would like to be familiar with the car and course ahead of time. Doesn't matter if you have like 3 or 4 that we might run. Just knowing what to practice on would be a huge help. I'll maintain a One Stop Shop for everything, for your bookmarking pleasure! 12/07: GoonSpec USTCC @ Camino Viejo Long Reverse 12/14: GoonSpec USTCC @ Sedona Raceway Park Full Circuit 12/21: GoonSpec Showroom Stock Spec Miata @ Fujimi Kaido 30 minute Sprint 12/21: GoonMons 30 minute "Sprint" - Rally di Positano 12/28: GoonSpec USTCC @ Road Atlanta Full Circuit SEASON 1 ENDS SEASON 2 BEGINS 01/04: GoonSpec American Iron @ Sedona Raceway Park Full Circuit Reverse 01/11: GoonSpec American Iron @ Laguna Seca 01/18: GoonMons 30 minute "Sprint" @ Camino Viejo Mini Circuit 01/18: GoonSpec Showroom Stock Spec Miata @ Sedona Raceway Park Club Circuit Reverse 01/25: GoonSpec E30 @ Nurburgring GP Circuit Short 02/01: GoonSpec E30 @ Hockenheimring National Circuit 02/08: GoonVintage @ Sebring Short 02/15: GoonVintage @ Maple Valley Full 02/22: GoonSpec Showroom Stock Spec Miata @ Suzuka Full 02/29: Season 2 Finale 1.2 Hours of The Green Hell SEASON 2 ENDS
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Dec 2, 2011 21:56
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Logue posted:Hey Jabs, is there a reason that the goonspec races are at the exact same time and day as the weekly GTCC races? I'd like to race in both, but I'm forced to choose. You're too fast, anyway. =)
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Dec 4, 2011 02:02
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FreelanceSocialist posted:
gently caress it. I'm around, and clearly plan on being around at least weekly for a long time - I realized the other day that I really missed having a weekly race series on my schedule. First it was NASCAR 2003 Series, and then later, a group of guys in rFactor. So, what I'm saying is that there's an nth option now. After loving around for 20 minutes trying to find an alphabetical combination that worked and didn't suck... [AUGR] was (finally) available. "Auger" seems to fit our collective driving style, too, if you don't mind co-opting a term from aviation, I guess. Apps open, gents. Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Dec 4, 2011 |
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Dec 4, 2011 02:24
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burtonos posted:Turn 10 put these codes up on their mybook site:
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Dec 4, 2011 02:47
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Haak posted:3am GMT race starts, for example, are non-starters for me. I'd be happy to do the 'bookkeeping' on a EuroSeries, if there's someone closer to GMT who'd volunteer to run the races and submit the results.
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Dec 4, 2011 03:05
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FreelanceSocialist posted:I cool with running races earlier.
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