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Flaming Iguana posted:i like his tactical bib Hydration pack full of syrup...
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| # ? Jan 31, 2012 06:50 |
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Flaming Iguana posted:I'm think the fat guy first seen at 0:05 is the same person as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ImsUK8Py4k. i like his tactical bib
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My general impression of those survivalist types is not that they're actually afraid that the world is going to end but that they're desperately hoping it will. They aren't preparing for their worst nightmares but for their dream come true. In the real world they don't matter, their strange views regarding religion and politics go ignored, and people gravitate away from them instead of come to them for help. They are made so miserable by their own utter insignificance that they imagine they will soon be the last person alive and therefore the most important in the world. Giving most of them a TV show is probably going to actually cure them of wanting the world to end in the first place.
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| # ? Jan 31, 2012 07:47 |
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I have to admit, the converted pool is kinda neat but I find it hard to believe that simply naming the goats disqualifies them as livestock.
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Quickshanks posted:My general impression of those survivalist types is not that they're actually afraid that the world is going to end but that they're desperately hoping it will. They aren't preparing for their worst nightmares but for their dream come true. In the real world they don't matter, their strange views regarding religion and politics go ignored, and people gravitate away from them instead of come to them for help. They are made so miserable by their own utter insignificance that they imagine they will soon be the last person alive and therefore the most important in the world. If these people really wanted to be prepared for some cataclysm that would "end the world as we know it" instead of stockpiling rice and beans in the middle of the night, they'd be having barbecues with their neighbors and getting to know them. Become people to them, instead of just "that crazy people whose house I'm going to rob if it all goes downhill." A lone survivor is nothing more than a supply pickup for a group of survivors. And no, your family of four does not count as a well prepared group. Community involvement is key. quote:Giving most of them a TV show is probably going to actually cure them of wanting the world to end in the first place. Christ, I hope so. I'm so tired of hearing about some unspecified bad thing that's going to happen at some unspecified time. Here's a thought: why not prepare of things that are actually going to happen? Look through the past decade of news and weather reports for your area, and see what sort of things actually happen routinely, and first prepare for those. Then look at some less common things, and prepare for those. Finally, if you really want to, prepare for some man-made disaster. How many of these people are going into debt, because they expect the world to end before their payments are due? What's more likely to happen right now, some world ending thing, or losing your job to a bad economy? Having a few months of the non-perishable food you already eat stored away, and cycling through it, as well as money for a few months worth of all your bills stored in your bank account, and a few grand in cash in your home is a much better idea than some 55 gallon drums of rice, beans, wheat and water. Even if the economy collapses tomorrow, cash will still be viewed as valuable for a while, because we've spent our whole lives thinking it has value. Two things stuck out at me: When the mom and daughter are packaging up bulk foods, and the daughter complains about having to eat it, the mom laughs, sounding rather embarrassed, then tells her daughter "The world's not going to end." So what the gently caress are you wasting all your time and money on this stock pile of food? Also, the militia freakers out in the woods who kept repeating, "We're not scared!" When you're building a compound and stocking it with everything you need to survive some imagined apocalypse, you're loving scared. If you weren't you wouldn't be spending your time. What especially irks me is the fat people who think that buying a gently caress ton of gear somehow makes them prepared. If you're more likely to die from a heart attack while carrying your gear and running to your "bug-out location" than you are from some sort of "marauding horde", maybe you should change your plans a bit, and lose some weight now. Sorry, this whole freaking out about some unspecified disaster and preparing for it, while ignoring the very real threats is really kind of a hot issue for me.
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Wa11y posted:
I know exactly how you feel. The thing about all the prepper bullshit that gets me is that they almost always buy a lot of tools and have zero skills. I'm not even talking about big, complicated skillsets like being certified as an EMT or something - I'm talking about the most basic poo poo that our society has largely just let slide away. Back when I was about 10 I spent a summer living with my grandparents (dad's side) while my mom and dad were doing a job hunt thing. Both of my grandparents were old enough that they lived through the depression as teenagers. This left a huge impact on both of them, and to the end they were a bit freakish about not wasting a single thing they ever came across. An example: after my grandmother died we found about 100 margarine tubs, carefully cleaned, stacked, and boxed up, in the basement of their house. Even in 2009 she couldn't really bear to throw out what she saw as perfectly good, free tupperwear. Anyways, one of the things that they both tried to drill into my spoiled little adolescent head was that the world wasn't full of disposable poo poo, and a lot of what people pay for is just bullshit convenience that you can do yourself if you take an extra half hour. Rip a shirt? Sew it up. Car needs oil? Put it in yourself, that poo poo's cheap and (well, minus some recent models where you need to plug it into a loving computer for some reason  ) it's not a difficult process. Cut yourself in the kitchen? Learn some basic first aid and you'll know the difference between something that just needs pressure applied, a little guaze from the first aid kid, and the willingness to have a slightly bigger scar than otherwise and the sort of thing that's not going to stop bleeding without real medical help. So many people who I see get into this prepper poo poo buy all the equipment they can get their hands on, but don't really know how to use any of it. I get wanting to be somewhat self-sufficent, I really do. But if you want to go down that road you need to start with some real basics, like learning how to mend your own clothes and do basic maintenance on your own vehicle. After that, if you live rurally, maybe learn how to dress and cook small game. Squirrels will be around in a true survival situation long after the deer have gotten the gently caress out of dodge or died off. Really want to get into it? Start camping, and make a point of learning what local plants are edible and which aren't. Basically, learn how to live like a poor-rear end hillbilly, THEN start thinking about how to best bunker in position with ten tons of rice and half a million rounds of ammo. edit: as an asside, all of the above poo poo also really comes in handy if you ever really do end up in a hosed financial situation because, oh, say, there's a multinational banking crisis, the economy tanks, and a shitton of people loose their jobs. I'm still amazed at how many people I know who can't sew a basic popped seam.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I know exactly how you feel. It really does. The worst personal disaster I've ever had to deal with was suddenly becoming unemployed for three months. I've always been poo poo with saving money (I do my part to keep the economy strong by spending every dollar I make!), so we didn't have much money in the bank. Fortunately, I did get unemployment, which was barely enough to pay the mortgage, and some severance, but it was barely enough. What really helped was having a few months worth of food storage. We were able to get buy without having to buy anything more than fresh fruit and vegetables and milk. That was all we had to buy for that three months, and we got by just fine. Granted, three months isn't long, but we could have survived much longer without a significant loss of comfort. Of course, since then we've gotten better about saving money, but we still store some food. It's really easy to do: any time you go to the grocery store, and you buy something non-perishable, instead of buying one, buy two or three. Put them on a shelf somewhere. Eat what you have, then buy two more. If your food storage isn't food you normally eat, you're doing it wrong. Don't spend a few thousand dollars to build up a food storage, and especially don't go into debt to do it! Learning how to can and preserve is also a great skill that's somewhat dying. Some of the best jams and jellies and fruit butters I've ever eaten where home made and canned. So much better than a jar of high fructose corn syrup with bits of "REAL FRUIT" suspended in it. What I especially love to hear about are people who have a hoard of wheat, but have never eaten it before. Do you know how hard raw wheat is on your body when all you've ever eaten is bread and flour made with all sorts of fillers? Hope you stocked up on toilet paper, because you're going to need it! Anyone who has a pile of MREs or other foods stored up that they don't routinely eat are just betting on having some sort of disaster where they'll need it before it goes bad.
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Wa11y posted:I Some of the best jams and jellies and fruit butters I've ever eaten where home made and canned. So much better than a jar of high fructose corn syrup with bits of "REAL FRUIT" suspended in it. Once you start making your own jerkey you really can't go back to the store bought poo poo. Every time I go to the grocery store I keep an eye out for half-priced near-expiration beef. My personal cut-off is $3.50-ish/lb. Usually I end up with half a pound or a pound of jerky when it's all said and done (spices, sauces, other ingredients, drying energy, factor in about $15/hr for my own time) for about what a single couple ounce bag would cost.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Once you start making your own jerkey you really can't go back to the store bought poo poo. Every time I go to the grocery store I keep an eye out for half-priced near-expiration beef. My personal cut-off is $3.50-ish/lb. Usually I end up with half a pound or a pound of jerky when it's all said and done (spices, sauces, other ingredients, drying energy, factor in about $15/hr for my own time) for about what a single couple ounce bag would cost. Dad and I load up on london broil at Albertsons when they have it for $1.77/lb partially for that reason. He also has a scheme going where the guys at work that hunt give him a bunch of meat to turn into jerky, and we give them half the output back. Having 10lbs of jerky that you paid like $1 for spices and electricity is awesome.
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I hunt and know basic survival skills. I am infinitely more prepared for shtf or whatever they call it compared to 99.99% of the population in Stockholm. I feel no need to stockpile food or dig a bunker. I will just eat fat people and live at the shooting range.
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London broil makes awesome steaks too and is a bargain for that.. Cut it into strips against the grain and one large london broil makes like 3-4 nice fat steaks - unless you eat lardass portions. edit: also, no amount of prepping is going to make up for the fact that you're a fat gently caress who smokes a pack or two of cigarettes a day. Most preppers I see on other gun forums fit right into this category. Good luck walking even a mile with your fancy pants bug out bag before your arteries explode dude. I guess Wa11y beat me to it. incredibull fucked around with this message at Jan 31, 2012 around 18:49 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:
I keep a few months' worth of food in my pantry*, use and enjoy oil lamps, and have been mocked and told that 2000 was years ago. It got my family through a sudden job-loss, so I don't care what they think. Some of them now try to come over when there is a flood or long-term power-outage while refusing to do it themselves. You'd also be surprised how often I was made fun of for wearing patched pants to industrial jobs. Leaving them in tatters to replace with new Carhartts is fine, patching them and using them for another year is crazy... Dried beans, rice, flour, spices, powdered gravy/soup/whatever, yeast, salt, and sugar take up little space and can be rotated through a normal diet. Granted, my family likes beans and rice and homemade bread, so we are just keeping extra normal poo poo on hand. Not pallets of MREs.
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Heintron posted:I feel no need to stockpile food or dig a bunker. I will just eat fat people and live at the shooting range. In a SHTF scenario, or just, like, right now?
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My SHTF plan is to go loving crazy and roll around my neighborhood like this guy for a few weeks. And then die when I get too drunk one night and flip my buggy.
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Once the batteries on my iphone die I'll probably just shoot myself, because gently caress living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland without angry birds!
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priznat posted:Once the batteries on my iphone die I'll probably just shoot myself, because gently caress living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland without angry birds! Clearly you need one of these for your SHTF bag: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tr...wer/beb8/?srp=7
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priznat posted:Once the batteries on my iphone die I'll probably just shoot myself, because gently caress living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland without angry birds! If there's anything that the Book of Eli taught us, it's that even in a cannabalistic wasteland people will find ways to charge their iPods. Also, cat fat lip balm. and Jesus.
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Butch Cassidy posted:use and enjoy oil lamps Not only are they a functional, and yet subtle, preparation of a power loss, they're also great for providing mood lighting, and a little extra heat. Just make sure there's a reflector of some sort behind them (I mounted little 6" mirrors to the wall behind my lamps) to get the light out into the room where it's useful.
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Wa11y posted:Not only are they a functional, and yet subtle, preparation of a power loss, they're also great for providing mood lighting, and a little extra heat. Just make sure there's a reflector of some sort behind them (I mounted little 6" mirrors to the wall behind my lamps) to get the light out into the room where it's useful. Also, keep a fire extinguisher at least near-ish and know how to use it. I'm all for knowing how to use an oil lamp, but people switched over to lightbulbs for reasons that didn't just involve convenience.
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7 to 9 hours, but I want to play nowwwwwwwww *whine*
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Cyrano4747 posted:Also, keep a fire extinguisher at least near-ish and know how to use it. Yeah, light bulbs are convenient, except when the power's out. Unfortunately, that seems to happen more in the summer around here, because everyone's running their AC, so not really a good time to be using a heat source as a light source. Things that are good to have in your bedroom: 5 "F"s: Phone Fire Extinguisher First Aid kit Flashlight Firearm Make sure you keep on them: replace the fire extinguisher when it says to, and check and replace the flashlight batteries. For a phone, you're best served by a hard line instead of a cordless for a home phone, since those require external power. But a cell phone is a good idea, as the phone line to it can't be cut.
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Just let me restate again how much I do not like preppers. They exist in their own reality and obsess/fantasize about the ruination of modern society. How can that be healthy?
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Every time we go to the grocery store, I pick up an extra $10 in canned food and an extra pack of batteries (usually a 4 pack). If you have small children, do yourself a favor and pick up batteries when you don't need them immediately. Thay toy that makes bullshit noise is prefferable to the 2 year old screaming because elmo's guitar doesn't sing.
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| # ? Jan 31, 2012 20:47 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Once you start making your own jerkey you really can't go back to the store bought poo poo. Almost true. Store bought jerky is always good but home stuff always seems to be the closest thing to Ambrosia and I am probably On the note for survival in an unspecified really bad situation(I refuse to use SHTF), Why don't people advocate cannibalism? I mean chances are humans are going to be your best source of food in a apocalyptic situation where most people die. Use what you can off human corpses and then start hunting other humans! The last thing most surviving humans will expect is another human preying upon them for food! As a bonus you get to keep all of their supplies! It's not like the big bad government can come down on you anyway. As for reasonable readiness for likely to happen bad situations; I think it depends where you live. Since I live on a dirt road in a rural area, it's really important to keep a chainsaw or two ready year around. Why? Because there are so many trees around that during bad weather a few trees will inevitably fall across the road making it impossible to get through with a wheeled vehicle. Being able to clear those fallen trees in a timely manner is not only important for convenience but also for safety. You also don't know if any nearby neighbors will home either so you can't rely them. Just last November an ambulance answered an emergency call from a neighbor suffering a stroke but couldn't get to his house because of fallen trees. The EMTs called for help and then started running to nearby houses one of which was mine. If I wasn't home or didn't have a chainsaw, the stroke victim may have died because the police didn't show up with help until over 30 minutes after the ambulance had left and no other surrounding neighbors were home.
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There's probably something about it in the bible and most preppers are die-hard fundies.
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Nubcakes posted:Almost true. Store bought jerky is always good but home stuff always seems to be the closest thing to Ambrosia and I am probably Did you eat the stroke victim?
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| # ? Jan 31, 2012 22:06 |
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Cannibalism can lead to prion diseases like kuru.. Some guy has the shakes? Possibly a cannibal!
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priznat posted:Cannibalism can lead to prion diseases like kuru.. Some guy has the shakes? Possibly a cannibal! Michael J Fox's shameful secret.
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I like turtles posted:Did you eat the stroke victim?  As much as I wanted to  the victim, there was no way I could have gotten away with it. Not to mention; modern society seems to have a taboo against eating other people which I never really understood.Edit; Think about it; we could process the bodies of those on death row and sell their meat. I know I'd probably buy some and try it. Consuming those who have wronged society, returning them to those who have created such individuals.... poetic maybe? Nubcakes fucked around with this message at Jan 31, 2012 around 22:26 |
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Nubcakes posted:On the note for survival in an unspecified really bad situation(I refuse to use SHTF), Why don't people advocate cannibalism? quote:As for reasonable readiness for likely to happen bad situations; I think it depends where you live. And now you're thinking logically, which is obviously more than those people on the show are doing. Think logically about what your area has for weather, and prepare for that first and foremost. Blizzards, tornadoes/hurricanes, droughts, wild fires, flooding, rock or mud slides. Do want you can to minimize the impact of those. Depending on where you are in relation to any high-value targets such as major metropolises or military bases, you might want to have something lined up for that. Understand where the prevailing winds in your area go, and you can find out if there's any concern about any sort of fallout you might need to be worried about, and prepare against that. Edit: Nubcakes posted:Edit; Think about it; we could process the bodies of those on death row and sell their meat. I know I'd probably buy some and try it. Consuming those who have wronged society, returning them to those who have created such individuals.... poetic maybe? IT'S PEOPLE! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!
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Wa11y posted:Because cannibalism is always a bad idea. Anything that could make your dinner sick and die can be passed to you. Bacteria, viruses, parasites can all make you sick, even if they weren't the cause of death. There's also something to do with prions in the brain that can make you sick, much like mad cow disease in cows. Does this hold true even if you cook the poo poo out of the meat? I know I do ever since I got salmonella from undercooked chicken.
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I thought the only proven way to destroy prions in food was like one step away from autclaving it into fluid, and at that point it wasn't so much 'meat' as 'meat derived nutrient beverage'. Besides, human flesh tastes like (and is) vaguely bitter garbage. You'd be better off killing all the squirrels and whatever bullshit birds are around.
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Jesus, I can't imagine human tastes worse than squirrel. And according to Freddie Spencer Chapman in the let's read thread, human (if that's actually what he was eating) was not bad, and not as "rank" as monkey. e:  http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...9#post393899729
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The other big thing to remember about humans as a food source is that we're the most apex of apex predators. ANY apex predator is going to have nasty as gently caress meat when it comes to environmental contamination. I forget where it was exactly, but not too long ago I was reading an article about how disposing of human remains is actually a big loving problem as far as leeching all sorts of nasty poo poo into the water. We're just nasty as gently caress as a food item from whatever angle you want to approach it, be it chemical, biological, or ethical/moral. In general, though, you want to avoid anything that's near the top of the food chain. As a rule of thumb just stick to herbivores - as soon as you've got something eating other little somethings bioaccumulative effects start kicking in with a vengeance. edit: squirrel, like most scavenger animals, tastes basically like what it eats. Shoot one in the woods that's eating nuts and seeds his whole life? Not too bad. Not great, but edible. Shoot one in the city that's munching on trash? Gonna taste like rear end. For a real practical example of this that you might actually eat without resorting to some kind of apocalypse, look at ducks. They can range from delicious to utterly disgusting depending solely on where they live and what they're eating. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at Feb 1, 2012 around 00:45 |
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Atmus posted:I thought the only proven way to destroy prions in food was like one step away from autclaving it into fluid, and at that point it wasn't so much 'meat' as 'meat derived nutrient beverage'. Dont eat the brain or spinal chord and you will most likely avoid the heavy prion laced area. Other wise the liver, lungs, heart, kidneys is fairly nutritious compared to our muscles. I'm just going to go the lion route and kill any men I come across and build up a harem to hunt for me. Rawr.
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I was fortunate after those tornadoes that kicked the poo poo out of the south last April in that all I really had to do was eat cold beans for a while, but entire neighborhoods were absolutely blown away down to foundations nearby. Eating my upstairs neighbors once came to mind but it's mostly because they are noisy as poo poo so I don't think many people would mind. "Oh hell the power's out, what are we going to do for lunch? Better start with those morons who do their laundry at 2AM." priznat posted:Cannibalism can lead to prion diseases like kuru.. Some guy has the shakes? Possibly a cannibal!
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Parts Kit posted:Seriously? There was a reference to this in New Vegas and I thought that it was just some b.s. they threw in. Yeah this was observed in a tribe in New Guinea who still ate people, iirc. I think it was sort of mentioned in the movie "Book of Eli" too. Similar to mad cow disease human version (Crutzfeld-Jakob)
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powers posted:Just let me restate again how much I do not like preppers. They exist in their own reality and obsess/fantasize about the ruination of modern society. How can that be healthy? There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away.
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As long as WebMD is around in the post collapse times you will be ok
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bunnielab posted:There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror. I await your answer. You have one full day to decide.
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