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Steak Flavored Gum posted:But guys! Look how exclusive and unique it is! It is unique. What is odd is that Rich got his panties on a wad over duracoating a 1911 pink for a PAYING customer, but mother of pearl grips, diamonds as sights, silver plating and weird engraving on this battle proven weapon of destruction is just fine. I know I am entirely too pissed off about this gun. But $15000 or so should not look like that dammit 
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Steak Flavored Gum posted:But guys! Look how exclusive and unique it is! "Unique" is not always a good thing.
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| # ? Nov 18, 2011 23:12 |
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Here's what REALLY bothers me about all the 'custom gun' work going on: If I'm going to spend a few thousand dollars on anything "custom" I'm not just going to say "I WANT A CUSTOM GUN HERE IS $10,000!" and walk away. I'm going to discuss exactly what it is I want, solicit ideas from them (since they know HOW things can and can't be done), and just really plan it out. I'm just just going to leave it up for someone else to decide what I want for my money. I really don't understand those bedazzler grips. If I'd paid $12,000 for fancy mother-of-pearl grips to be inlaid with diamonds for MY WIFE TO CELEBRATE OUR ANNIVERSARY, and he came back with 10 karats of bedazzler work, I'd have sent him back out that office door on his rear end. But then, I wouldn't have just said "MAKE THIS poo poo SPARKLE! HERE IS MY MONEY!" and walked away. Honestly, those grips could have looked good if instead of just bedazzling the diamonds on them, they had carved the initials in a nice cursive script, then filled with crushed diamonds and epoxied in. That would probably look WAY classier.
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| # ? Nov 18, 2011 23:40 |
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I still maintain that it's just a few tweaks away from being okay. The mother of pearl grips would have looked okay if they had, like 3 diamonds running along a line that would connect the two grip screws. The diamond front sight is awesome, but the two in the rear are just useless and distracting. Lastly, now that I really look at it in profile, it'd be nice if a few of the small parts were accented. The mag release, slide stop, beavertail safety, and trigger might look okay in gold or really high-polish peacock blue. As it is now, the Novak sight on there is the only non-silver / whitish part of that gun. Anyway, let's look at some neat engraved 1911s.    And also, why do all engraved guns have to have the leaf/scrollwork? Some more angular and geometric patterns look cool, too. And usually the ones I like most have some sort of negative space in them. Otherwise it's just too much and the guns just look "fuzzy" from a distance.   
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Wa11y posted:I really don't understand those bedazzler grips. If I'd paid $12,000 for fancy mother-of-pearl grips to be inlaid with diamonds for MY WIFE TO CELEBRATE OUR ANNIVERSARY, and he came back with 10 karats of bedazzler work, I'd have sent him back out that office door on his rear end. But then, I wouldn't have just said "MAKE THIS poo poo SPARKLE! HERE IS MY MONEY!" and walked away. Lots of money doesn't mean you have taste. I distinctly remember when I realized this; I was being shown a, well, I'll just call it an "art room" which was intended to accentuate a wine cellar. There was some three million $ worth of art there, if I remember correctly (and yes, how much it cost was indeed a major part of the description - first hint!) It literally looked like the guy went into a gallery, purchased the 10 most expensive pieces, stuck them on shelves and DONE. Anyway, what you said brings up something neat I learned. My brother's girlfriend used to work with high-end AV stuff. As in, they sold it to people and installed it, etc. Their customers included absolutely stupidly rich people. Like the $2 million install/renovation they did for this one guy. The guy's neighbor.. I don't know, the neighbor's house or land layout or whatever bugged him. He kept asking his neighbor how much to buy his place. The dude finally gave some number and "SOLD!"  . After moving out, the guy immediately bulldozes the whole place and has an underground garage/mancave built instead, and gets them to do a $2 million AV installation and god knows what else.These very rich people with more money than time, etc, and to whom $15,000 is frankly just not a lot of money are the ideal customers for that kind of high end stuff. Of course, just because they are rich doesn't mean they just throw money away. They'll call up and argue about the time the installation guy left because it's $100/hour but he left at 1:02pm and the invoice says X hours but  and you'll knock $50 off the invoice, even if you KNOW the times are correct because you can't argue with them and it's like 0.00000000001% of the total... But they are still the best customers, because while they can be a pain in the neck and eccentric or even completely crazy, they want the high end stuff, the whole nine yards, and are willing to pay for it.The "worst" customers are the ones who have money, but they "worked for it". They might be buying high end stuff but even when spending "only" $10,000 - that's ten grand they WORKED for and they want to make sure they are getting the best bang for their buck. They nickel and dime and micromanage and fuss, etc etc. In summary I think custom gun places doing $15,000 blinged-up anniversary 1911s want that first type of high-roller customer. The second type is more likely to think that for $15k, the goddamned letters had better at least be the same size. Now THESE are some tastefully done guns.
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hangedman posted:Holy poo poo those grips. This thing is beautiful.
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What kind of finish is that, one of those fake case hardened ones?
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| # ? Nov 20, 2011 16:09 |
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When I inquired about case-hardening my Colt 1908 frame to Turnbull restoration, they said that they don't offer the service because there's always a chance that the frame will warp under the heat. Not always, but sometimes. However, if you're already building 1911 frames and have a few to sacrifice for the perfect gun, it's doable. I would estimate that Volkmann custom is probably high-end enough to offer the real deal (off the top of my head, I think those two examples are $4,000+), but I couldn't say for sure.
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| # ? Nov 21, 2011 21:45 |
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I loved the cannon. Imagine being downrange and having his balls flying right at your face. Basically just taking anything that flies out the end of that thing. too much TFR already today, my wife just read what I typed over my shoulder and gave me that "I don't understand TFR" look.
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| # ? Nov 22, 2011 14:51 |
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No one is going to comment how the cannon had the company logo covering the barrel? I didn't see the whole episode, just the cannon firing, so maybe it was a freebie or something but the logo was tacky as hell. I hope that guy didn't pay for that.
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Sten Freak posted:No one is going to comment how the cannon had the company logo covering the barrel? I didn't see the whole episode, just the cannon firing, so maybe it was a freebie or something but the logo was tacky as hell. I hope that guy didn't pay for that. He paid six grand according to the show.
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Every time the owner of that shop goes on about the "cost" of his over-priced CNC work I grimace. "EACH OF THESE CYLINDERS COST $500!! THIS NUMBNUTS CANT CUT METAL FOR poo poo." Dude, you turned some 416 stainless round stock. You probably paid $50 for a billet round which you could cut 4-6 cylinders out of. Yes, machining Stainless is a goddamned dog on your drill bits and cutters, even still factoring those in you're still not dropping that much money. -- Has anyone seen them actually use cutting oil on their work? Every shot of the 2 episodes I've seen they make chips without cutting oil.
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I disliked the decal as well, but upon further inspection, it looked like a magnet like the type you would affix to the side of your truck. You can see the edge of it coming off in some of the shots. I think it was just stuck on there for free self promotion.
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FormulaXFD posted:Every time the owner of that shop goes on about the "cost" of his over-priced CNC work I grimace. "EACH OF THESE CYLINDERS COST $500!! THIS NUMBNUTS CANT CUT METAL FOR poo poo." I only watched one episode, but one of those outbursts was what cued me into the fact that (surprise surprise!) this show is at the very least partially scripted by the producers. Is it better than most of the other crap out there? Sure. But given that everything else that we've seen and heard, both on the show and from people who have friends-of-friends who know him or whatever, points to him being a semi-competent businessman, I really can't imagine that he would keep that same machinist on-staff if the guy was really blowing $500 blanks up left and right. He knows its BS, the machinist knows its BS, but the producers need someone to get yelled at on tonight's episode so they make up some gibberish that 99.9% of the viewing audience won't be able to call them on and run with it.
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Yes, please put me on TV and make me look like a retard who doesn't know what he's doing in his chosen profession.  Even if it were just for TV, my response as an employee would be "Don't talk to me like that, or you're machining your own blanks."  I might even just skip the first part and go straight to "do your own machining", depending.
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| # ? Nov 23, 2011 19:16 |
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Last week Mythbusters did two myths of interest to TFR: The first was the myth that, if a grenade landed near you, you should dive for the deck, because the grenade mostly throws the shrapnel upwards and so there's a "shrapnel free zone" about a foot above the ground. Result: completely busted. You will still get your rear end ventilated, even on the ground, if you're only ten feet out. Durr. Next Adam and Jamie tested out various Hollywood shooting stances. They used 8 round 1911s, set up targets, and came up with a scoring system - they would fire at a bullseye, get more points the closer to the bullseye they got, and be timed by an "acoustic timer." They would then divide the points by the number of seconds it took to empty the magazine, thus (supposedly) scoring the results on both speed and accuracy. They used their results using the Weaver stance as a baseline, as both Jamie and Adam are familiar with it and it's the consensus stance. They then ran through shooting from the hip, shooting one handed, gangsta style  , shooting akimbo, and shooting two guns, arms crossed, aimed at two different targets.Predictably, the Weaver stance was far superior to all but shooting one handed. Shooting two guns at a single target was surprisingly not terrible, but gangsta style and from the hip were simply wretched. Nothing surprising, but at least I got to see a walrus shoot a 1911.
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I looked it up on Discovery's site and they do indeed have a high speed clip of said walrus with an absolutely ridiculous shooting technique. It's exactly as hilarious as it sounds.
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Myoclonic Jerk posted:Result: completely busted. You will still get your rear end ventilated, even on the ground, if you're only ten feet out. Durr. I'd still rather be ten feet away than right on top of the drat thing.
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Myoclonic Jerk posted:The first was the myth that, if a grenade landed near you, you should dive for the deck, because the grenade mostly throws the shrapnel upwards and so there's a "shrapnel free zone" about a foot above the ground. I'm a bit confused, can you clarify the "only ten feet out" part? I read it as "there is no such thing as the 'cone effect' of shrapnel", but what's ten feet got to do with it?
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Mister Sinewave posted:I'm a bit confused, can you clarify the "only ten feet out" part? It may not have been ten feet exactly, I'm going off of memory here. They first did a test with pressure disks and determined that anyone within a certain distance (I think it was ten feet), would get killed from the sheer pressure of the grenade. So, if you found yourself close to a grenade (but not within that lethal ten foot limit), according to the myth you could escape serious injury by dropping to the ground. No death by pressure wave + flying shrapnel going over you and not through you = not dead. Make sense? recon_etc posted:I looked it up on Discovery's site and they do indeed have a high speed clip of said walrus with an absolutely ridiculous shooting technique. Thanks for finding that video so I don't have to. 
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infrared35 posted:I'd still rather be ten feet away than right on top of the drat thing. So, you're saying you WOULDN'T jump on a grenade to save us all? Guess I'm gonna have to cross you off my Christmas card list.
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Okay, that makes more sense. I didn't see the episode and didn't know what the 10 feet thing was.
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| # ? Nov 28, 2011 05:40 |
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Myoclonic Jerk posted:It may not have been ten feet exactly, I'm going off of memory here. Is this really a thing? I'm pretty sure I've read lots (and lots) of accounts of freakish stuff happening with grenades in wartime where guys would have them go off right near them without any ill effect, usually because their buddy (or a rock, or a tree, whatever) took the shrapnel. In particular I recall a MOH citation on Iwo Jima where the guy shoved two grenades into the sand about a foot from his face (hosed him up, didn't kill him) and an instance in either BoB or Citizen Soldiers where a guy in a trench had a stick grenade land in his lap, reflexively shoved his rifle butt in front of his junk, and got away with some blown out eardrums, a few splinters in his thighs, and a greatly enhanced appreciation for having testicles.
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Cyrano4747 posted:an instance in either BoB or Citizen Soldiers where a guy in a trench had a stick grenade land in his lap, reflexively shoved his rifle butt in front of his junk, and got away with some blown out eardrums, a few splinters in his thighs, and a greatly enhanced appreciation for having testicles.
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Staff Sergeant Leroy A. Petry had a grenade go off as he was lobbing it back at some jerk who tossed it his way. Lost his hand and had a great interview on the Daily Show where he says his first thought after it happened was something like, 'Huh, no arterial spray like in the movies.'  You should listen to the MythBusters though, things like this are freak occurrences. MariusLecter fucked around with this message at Nov 28, 2011 around 07:33 |
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Isn't there a vast difference between WWII grenades and modern ones? Maybe not so much American, but other military vs American? I seem to remember a much higher dud or lack of full explosive potential in there somewhere
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Roundboy posted:Isn't there a vast difference between WWII grenades and modern ones? Maybe not so much American, but other military vs American? I seem to remember a much higher dud or lack of full explosive potential in there somewhere I don't recall if there was a difference regarding the pressure wave (I only heard bits of that part of the episode, I was in another room), but they tested the modern "baseball" grenade against the old-fashioned "pineapple." Neither had the mythical "no shrapnel zone," and the baseball grenade actually had a more even shrapnel distribution (thus an even more metal-shard-filled "no shrapnel zone." I think the moral here is, if a grenade lands next to you, either throw it back, dive behind something, or very quickly make your peace with God.
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MariusLecter posted:Staff Sergeant Leroy A. Petry had a grenade go off as he was lobbing it back at some jerk who tossed it his way. Lost his hand and had a great interview on the Daily Show where he says his first thought after it happened was something like, 'Huh, no arterial spray like in the movies.' Yeah. My uncle in Vietnam had to throw an orphan kid his unit had adopted out of their bunkhouse or whatever after the VC had strapped a bomb to him. He took shrapnel, and it killed a guy behind him. Explosions aren't really predictable, so saying "if you do x you'll be ok" doesn't really work. Getting behind cover is still the best bet.
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VikingSkull posted:Yeah. My uncle in Vietnam had to throw an orphan kid his unit had adopted out of their bunkhouse or whatever after the VC had strapped a bomb to him. Woah woah wait what? I knew the Viet Cong were terribly unpleasant people, but . . . seriously? I need to go do some internet research, because this is fascinatingly hosed up.
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It wasn't the common tactic used like today, but yeah it happened. They also weren't kind to collaborators, either, which was what the kid was I guess? He doesn't talk about it much.
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Myoclonic Jerk posted:Woah woah wait what? I forget what book I read this in (Marine Sniper maybe?) but the VC used to strap bombs to small children and have them run at GIs. Older children would offer them pop with broken glass mixed in with the ice.
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VikingSkull posted:Some hosed up poo poo. poopgiggle posted:More hosed up VC poo poo. For years, I've held the view that we should have just left Vietnam alone, let them run their own country, they were really just nationalists, etc. Then I read things like this about the VC and North Vietnamese being terrible bastards and the cognitive dissonance threatens to melt my brain. 
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Yeah, generally people that fight wars do hosed up poo poo. Basically, Vietnam was a war of reprisal killings. When one side did something, the other ratcheted up pressure. By the time my uncle was there in '70 and '71, the war was cartoonishly violent. This is probably better in the Cold War thread, though.
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Myoclonic Jerk posted:For years, I've held the view that we should have just left Vietnam alone, let them run their own country, they were really just nationalists, etc. Then I read things like this about the VC and North Vietnamese being terrible bastards and the cognitive dissonance threatens to melt my brain. The ARVN dudes did similarly bad poo poo...in any sort of insurgency or guerrilla war none of the sides involved come out looking very good. VikingSkull posted:Yeah, generally people that fight wars do hosed up poo poo. Civil wars are almost always the most uncivil.
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| # ? Nov 28, 2011 14:21 |
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Speaking of both TV and Vietnam, watching the series Vietnam in HD and it's great so far. A lot of new footage and interviews, read by actors, and broadcast in HD. I recorded 4 parts but I don't know if there are more or not.
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| # ? Nov 28, 2011 15:14 |
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So the pink 1911 for the "customer" earlier in the season... it is in Bob's office. Saw it in the episode tonight when Rich was talking to him about the Normandy rifle. 
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| # ? Nov 29, 2011 05:42 |
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I don't think they are recorded and aired in the order they actually occurred, but I noticed that too. And was I the only one who thought "jesus, use a breaker bar" when the were taking a part the 7mm? And wtf was with the 3000 dollar Garand? It seems like Rich had never heard of buy the gun not the story.
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| # ? Nov 29, 2011 07:36 |
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What was the point in converting the 7mm to a 458? They changed the barrel, changed the stock... the action itself couldn't be that special that he couldn't have just bought a 2nd rifle.
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wormil posted:What was the point in converting the 7mm to a 458? They changed the barrel, changed the stock... the action itself couldn't be that special that he couldn't have just bought a 2nd rifle. You are correct, but he "loved" the action and wanted to keep it. Even when he got the new rifle he kept saying "I can't believe this is the same gun... it's a new texture, new color, etc." That's because it is not the same gun you old elephant killing man. Just pay the man the $3-$4K he took you for and fly to Africa. "Hey Rich, I really like these grips on my 1911, but I want a new 1911. Can you build me a custom one that fits around these grips?"  Good for Gun Smoke as a business though that they have some customers that are like they are...
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Somewhat related, I scanned around my radio this weekend and found a syndicated call-in gun show by a dude named Tom Gresham. Figured it'd be good for some laughs. He was talking about various handguns for home defense and CCW. For the most part, he gave pretty solid advice to callers (get what fits you, .22s are a bad idea, etc) and then came some lady yammering about castle doctrine and how she'd blow away any stranger that walked in her house, better to be tried by 12, blah blah blah. To my complete shock, he completely shot her down  and told her she was nuts to think that, and that doing so was a seriously bad decision if the guy wasn't posing a threat or just headed out the door with a TV, etc. I was very pleasantly surprised.E: here it is DJExile fucked around with this message at Nov 29, 2011 around 13:47 |
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