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Urdnot Fire
Feb 13, 2012



Jamesman posted:

Dale saying to Shane "You're not going anywhere. Neither am I." was kind of funny.

Shows the writers can be a bit clever when they really want to be.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Did anyone else get the impression that Randall's crew is going to turn out to be the Governor's group?

Urdnot Fire
Feb 13, 2012



Chairman Capone posted:

Did anyone else get the impression that Randall's crew is going to turn out to be the Governor's group?

Almost certainly, though the actor's only signed on for season 3 as far as we know, right? So maybe we won't see the whole group until then (or just his silhouette or something).

MichiganCubbie
Dec 11, 2008

I love that I have an erection...

...that doesn't involve homeless people.


Chairman Capone posted:

Did anyone else get the impression that Randall's crew is going to turn out to be the Governor's group?

I kept waiting for the kid to say something like "yeah, we're all camped up in Woodbury."

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

All creature will die and all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai.


I don't see how they can pull off the whole Governor storyline anytime soon. Unless they massively tone it down. The show as it is is just too slow and mundane and is quite obviously holding back the more crazy stuff. The worst thing that has happened on the show is the killing of another person out of perceived self defense - there's quite a leap from that to paedophile zombie love-slaves and deliberate torture, surprise sex and dismemberment.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


Well I think they've already said they're not doing the dismemberment because of how cost ineffective it would be on your lead. Now on someone else who could be killed later... Who knows. Ideally they'll lose T-Dog rather than have him literally doing nothing. I can see the rest of the fast sticking it out now that Shane and Dale are leaving. If they're giving up on the prison arc or just merging it with the farm they can bring in Michonne while having Hershel's family be the victims of the other survivors/zombies to keep the cast down.

Like I said, I think they're bringing the Governor as a face for the antagonist of next season. Zombies are no longer a threat, as even Carl no longer gives a gently caress about them. It's all going to be about dealing with other survivors who already gave up on humanity.

Jericho with zombies.

Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at Mar 5, 2012 around 12:34

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Hakkesshu posted:

I don't see how they can pull off the whole Governor storyline anytime soon. Unless they massively tone it down.

I really do think that they're going to do away with the prison entirely, and have it be the Governor and his men trying to take Hershel's farm.

Hello another season of the farm!

Dancing Peasant
Jul 19, 2003

All this for stealing a piece of bread?


Chairman Capone posted:

I really do think that they're going to do away with the prison entirely, and have it be the Governor and his men trying to take Hershel's farm.

Hello another season of the farm!

Good god, this might actually happen. Please don't give the writers any ideas.

Geekslinger
Jan 30, 2005



Flashback to Jericho only this time they left the tank in Atlanta.

A GLISTENING HODOR
Aug 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 4047 days!


They killed Dale (and they're gonna kill Shane, probably in a silly way).

What?

I guess the comics just totally don't apply anymore.

Which is kinda ok by me. They're doing the Governor and everything else is super-meh.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004



Tony Danza Claus posted:

They killed Dale (and they're gonna kill Shane, probably in a silly way).

What?

I guess the comics just totally don't apply anymore.

Which is kinda ok by me. They're doing the Governor and everything else is super-meh.

The actors that played Dale and Shane were pissed off about Darabont being let go and wanted off the show.

I'm interested to see how they go on without Dale since he seemed to be an adviser type to Rick in the comics.

Also the other thread is horrible to read.

ShamrockShake
Sep 7, 2011

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Tony Danza Claus posted:

Which is kinda ok by me. They're doing the Governor and everything else is super-meh.

The Governor will be fantastic if they keep that plotline perfectly intact and have a society held in thrall by gladiator fights just 12+ weeks after the collapse of civilization. I really look forward to hearing such lines as

"What the hell was that poo poo, I dont bring my boys here for that! I bring my boys to the fights for some good clean fun!"

"Hey Boss, better be a good one today!"

Rome wasnt built in a day and neither was the bread and circuses culture, especailly when there is a visible bread shortage among the 60 odd survivors left alive in Woodbury.

As much as I bitch about the show's writing, the comic can be just as bad at times. Also of note, and sure to come up in Season 3, is everyone getting furious at Rick for chopping of Allen's leg after he gets bitten on the ankle.

"Rick! Have you lost your mind! I'm not going to let you mutilate him!"

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

The Running King


Was Shane's actor pissed off? It seemed like he was going to die soon anyway, whether Darabont was there or not.

I had heard Jeffrey DeMunn wanted to leave because Darabont left, but I never heard about him being mad really.

Teek fucked around with this message at Mar 6, 2012 around 17:37

A GLISTENING HODOR
Aug 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 4047 days!


Teek posted:

Was Shane's actor pissed off? It seemed like he was going to die soon anyway, whether Darabont was there or not.

I has heard Jeffrey DeMunn wanted to leave because Darabont left, but I never heard about him being mad really.

Yeah, Shane was a dead man anyways, and it's just coincidence he also wanted out.

I had no idea about Dale's actor, though. That sucks hard. I always liked Dale.

I bet Herschel now becomes the sagely advisor.

Also, it was good to see T-Dog in this episode. I was starting to think he "went up the stairs."

Thomase
Mar 18, 2009


I'm sure AMC didn't want to get into the cannibalism anyways. I'd imagine they can skip the whole "hunters" story line now as well.

e: monsters eating people maybe seen differently than people eating people.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004



The big thing about the Gov. is that he cuts of Rick's already useless right hand (useless, from beating the prisoner to death). I can't see AMC coming up with a budget to give Rick a stump each week.

Who's driving the show now? Does Kirkman still have a say in the story lines? Seems like it would be better if they go off book a bit and do their own thing now that they've laid the basics down.

anivasion
Sep 17, 2007

I'm not a malefactor,
I'm a lagomorph!

Teek posted:

Was Shane's actor pissed off? It seemed like he was going to die soon anyway, whether Darabont was there or not.

I had heard Jeffrey DeMunn wanted to leave because Darabont left, but I never heard about him being mad really.

Is there anything to this other than rumor? I keep looking on google for anything solid from the actor or creators and can't find much other than Kirkman talking about it like it was his own decision.

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

The Running King


It's still just a rumor (Actor X wants off now that Darabont is gone), but his character dying now of all times seems to give it more weight. Kirkman can try and say it's something they came up with, mainly because they had time to write him off how they wanted probably. All his recent interviews though seemed like a little saving face to me though, I doubt either the writers or DeMunn really want to play up that he quit a role.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing either really, I don't know how long his contract was. If it was just through this season with a chance at renewal, telling them early was probably a good thing.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



Thomase posted:

I'm sure AMC didn't want to get into the cannibalism anyways. I'd imagine they can skip the whole "hunters" story line now as well.

It's a shame, because this was the only part of the post-prison comic that I actually thought was interesting.

pumpkinsoftruth
Oct 6, 2006

Man, I want some chicken wings

Chairman Capone posted:

It's a shame, because this was the only part of the post-prison comic that I actually thought was interesting.

I thought it was a great part too. Sadly AMC will not display some of the more violent, disturbing parts of the Walking Dead storyline.

And yeah they are probably just setting up the Governor storyline with Randall and his group. They will just use the farm and completely cut out the prison.

They must have saved a lot of money being in the same farm setting for an entire season.

Stark
Jun 9, 2007


Bonzo posted:

The big thing about the Gov. is that he cuts of Rick's already useless right hand (useless, from beating the prisoner to death). I can't see AMC coming up with a budget to give Rick a stump each week.

Who's driving the show now? Does Kirkman still have a say in the story lines? Seems like it would be better if they go off book a bit and do their own thing now that they've laid the basics down.

Kirkman has said that he regrets having Rick lose his hand -- that he didn't think through the consequences. I wouldn't be surprised if they did not have Rick keep his hand in the TV show. It'd be a pain to shoot around and/or make look convincing on a continuing basis.

I always thought they should have given Rick a hook or something in the book.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005


There was a rumour when Darabont was fired that one actor was livid and wanted out. It's not really known if that was Shane or Dale, but as DeMunn is a Darabont regular and Berenthal has signed on as the lead in Darabont's new show either is valid. I would've thought, given the timeframe, that it was Berenthal who wanted out and perhaps Dale was always going to bite it this early (And to be fair the rumour was the actor in question will be written out at the end of the Season).

Also I wouldn't be surprised if DeMunn shows up in Darabont's new show too.

I liked the latest episode but thematically it probably doesn't work the way it's supposed to, and the show is still very guilty of lazy writing. The one touch I did like is that Shane honestly hears Dale out, it doesn't change his mind obviously, but he still listened to what he had to say.

Mice Everywhere
Sep 7, 2007

I love animal porn! So F* you if you don't accept that!

DrVenkman posted:

The one touch I did like is that Shane honestly hears Dale out, it doesn't change his mind obviously, but he still listened to what he had to say.

He also seemed really upset that Dale had been gutted, even though he supposedly hated him. Shane is probably the deepest most interesting character and it's really going to hurt the show when he's gone.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005


Mice Everywhere posted:

He also seemed really upset that Dale had been gutted, even though he supposedly hated him. Shane is probably the deepest most interesting character and it's really going to hurt the show when he's gone.

Which is such a weird problem the show has. They can write a guy like Shane, and I suppose Daryl too and make them interesting, but then on the other hand...T-Dog.

ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

reaching
present participle of reach
To draw a conclusion based on more than a moment's thought.


Haha once again this week I was able to find a stream to watch at work, and the chat is just full of "SHANE DIES SHANE DIES TONIGHT!". I don't know if I dare hand out link for fear of spoiling someone.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


Wait, is it tonight that he dies?

ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

reaching
present participle of reach
To draw a conclusion based on more than a moment's thought.


Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Wait, is it tonight that he dies?

I believe so. That's what I remember reading anyways, but the chatters seem to believe so as well.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


ApexAftermath posted:

I believe so. That's what I remember reading anyways, but the chatters seem to believe so as well.

This isn't the last episode, though. Huh

Urdnot Fire
Feb 13, 2012



Happy Noodle Boy posted:

This isn't the last episode, though. Huh

That means next week is free to be completely pointless.

ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

reaching
present participle of reach
To draw a conclusion based on more than a moment's thought.


Happy Noodle Boy posted:

This isn't the last episode, though. Huh

They sure are making it obvious. Just like Dale getting his "showcase episode" last week now they are doing it with Shane too.

EDIT: Ok holy loving poo poo the season finale looks awesome.

ApexAftermath fucked around with this message at Mar 12, 2012 around 02:02

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


So we finally got a couple of points taken care of. Shane's death (way overdue) takes care of that point while also finally bringing forth the "we're the walking dead" which while not that important it's nice that the characters now know. With the herd coming to the farm I imagine it'll be the thing that gets them to leave and move elsewhere. I expect one more main character (T-Dog or Daryl ) and most of Hershel's family to die as the group escapes.

What I find interesting is that Rick was completely oblivious to the fact Shane would be coming back which means that ISN'T what the CDC guy whispered to him.

That Rough Beast
Apr 5, 2006
One day at a time...

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

What I find interesting is that Rick was completely oblivious to the fact Shane would be coming back which means that ISN'T what the CDC guy whispered to him.

I'm not so sure this was the case. He was heavily in shock from killing him, plus Carl's arrival startled him. He probably thought at worst he had more than like two minutes.

With this show though, who can say.

WeLandedOnTheMoon!
Feb 1, 2009

Gonna fly this dog to the moon somehow.

A couple of thoughts:

T-Dogg using a hammer in the opening sequence. Have they given us his first name? It better not be Terrance.

I remember reading somewhere that Michone would be appearing at the end of season 2. I am interested in seeing if this happens. Probably won't.

Urdnot Fire
Feb 13, 2012



WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:

A couple of thoughts:

T-Dogg using a hammer in the opening sequence. Have they given us his first name? It better not be Terrance.

I remember reading somewhere that Michone would be appearing at the end of season 2. I am interested in seeing if this happens. Probably won't.

T-Dog's name is apparently Theodore Douglas. And it'd be cool to see Michonne, if what the lobster-eating zombie extra said was true.

WeLandedOnTheMoon!
Feb 1, 2009

Gonna fly this dog to the moon somehow.

Urdnot Fire posted:

T-Dog's name is apparently Theodore Douglas. And it'd be cool to see Michonne, if what the lobster-eating zombie extra said was true.

Word. I was worried the writers would try to pass him off as Terrance.

That Rough Beast
Apr 5, 2006
One day at a time...

WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:

Word. I was worried the writers would try to pass him off as Terrance.

You mean Tyreese? Or maybe there's a Terrence too, I can't even remember, the comic was killing two characters an issue there for a while.

Urdnot Fire
Feb 13, 2012



Tyreese is the one with the hammer.

WeLandedOnTheMoon!
Feb 1, 2009

Gonna fly this dog to the moon somehow.

That Rough Beast posted:

You mean Tyreese? Or maybe there's a Terrence too, I can't even remember, the comic was killing two characters an issue there for a while.

Yeah. I'm sorry Tyreese.

Must have made up Terrance.

ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

reaching
present participle of reach
To draw a conclusion based on more than a moment's thought.


Full start-to-finish spoilers for the season finale.

Just a warning. This is absolutely everything that happens in the episode. It sounds pretty goddamn tense and bleak. Can't wait.

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E the Shaggy
Mar 29, 2010


ApexAftermath posted:

Full start-to-finish spoilers for the season finale.

Just a warning. This is absolutely everything that happens in the episode. It sounds pretty goddamn tense and bleak. Can't wait.

Yes, it hits all the points I was hoping the finale would hit.

Of course the fact that Rick just sat on what the scientist said instead of telling everyone is mind bogglingly stupid. What was even the reasoning? I get that he wanted to keep hope alive as it were, but God drat! That's some pretty important poo poo to tell people.

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