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doo doo thief: Jun 5, 2007; by Fistgrrl

Donny posted:

I found it terribly cool today to judge which way I should climb over the rocks at Hilltop, Caspian Border, in order to have the sun at my back when I ambushed an enemy squad. It's also ridiculously useful to the point of cheesiness to hide your jet in the sun during a dogfight. All in all, I think the glare and dust are Good Things to which good players will adapt.

It's interesting and useful for sure but it's also over the top in a game that seems to otherwise strive for realism. Though the tac lights and lasers are probably even more ridiculous then the sun glare.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:06

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# ? May 19, 2013 12:30

Blazing Ownager: Jun 2, 2007; I ain't got time to bleed.

insider posted:

The dirty screen stuff and sun glare has really started to annoy me. Then add in the flashlights and laser sights and its like they don't want you to see anything.

The sun glare is just completely over the top IMO though.

Get JJ Abrams on the line, stat. We have a film for him to direct!

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:09

washow: Dec 1, 2007; Join Starfleet Dental

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I just made this huge post at 2am in the official forum's feedback thread check it out

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Hello. I just unlocked all the jet stuff sometime ago and I gotta comment on the usefulness of the jet planes in general.

In bf2, I will admit that jets were way too overpowered. Having a one good pilot on your team could basically shut down the whole map and it was very very difficult to remove that. However, I feel that jets are basically useless in BF3.

Oftentimes, I can dominate the sky so that the enemy team will literally not use heli or jets. So I basically shut the entire sky down. However, what does that really accomplish? My air dominance has very little to no effect on my team's chance of winning because I cannot help my ground troops directly. They can still defend or attack very effectively with ground vehicles that I'm unable to destroy.

Related to that, let's talk about the guided missile and its undeserved nerf. In beta you could disable a vehicle in one guided missile. People thought that it was unbalanced because well... people are just scared of jets and have nightmares from BF2. But now that the AA is so much effective and any engineers can kill a jet with ease, there has to be something that will make the enemy team fear a competent pilot. With the guided missile that only does 30 ~ 40% damage a shot currently is not enough at all! It's just better to stay with heat seeker missiles to shoot down unfortunate people who doesn't have flares yet and that's not gonna happen anymore after a few days.

Thirdly, mobile AA units are WAY TOO STRONG. In maps like Op. firestorm, one can just sit in the mobile AA vehicle and basically shut down the whole map for the enemy team himself. The guns do ridiculous damage, have such fast projectiles that it's super easy to hit flying jets, and the driver can just pop out and repair the small damage taken himself. Just now, this one mobile AA unit on the RU side was able to basically shutdown the top half of the map by sitting on the bottom of the mountain and just shooting at anything that flies within 500m of it. I have all the jet unlocks so I used guided missiles and rocket pods to try to kill him. But it's IMPOSSIBLE. Guided missiles do 30% damage to a vehicle which is just ridiculously small. So whenever he got hit by my guided missile, he would just pop out, repair and be 100% before I can come back for a 2nd run. Rocket pod is basically a suicide because he will shut you down and kill you in literally 1 second before you can close in on him. Since the rockets are unguided, I have to fly straight into him and you can probably guess what that means.

People will think I'm crazy but what I'm saying is that jets are underpowered in this iteration of the battlefield series. Having a complete air dominance has very little effect on your team's victory and that's definitely something to be looked at. Mobile AAs are absurdly powerful and I need something to attack them with.

TL;DR
Jets are UNDERPOWERED.
We need something to destroy ground vehicles with.
Attacker jets have no way to help ground troops directly so being a good pilot and having an air dominance has no value at all.
Mobile AA units are too strong. Reduce their gun/missile range.
Increase the damage of guided missiles for jets please. Jets are useless without it

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:10

mcvey: Aug 31, 2006; you're like the only guy on the team with a moustache.

Jets are underpowered?

boo hoo

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:12

keyframe: Sep 15, 2007; GINYU FORCE RULES

mcvey posted:

Jets are underpowered?

boo hoo

I would empty quote this if it wasn't for probation.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:13

Fat Cormac: Feb 9, 2011

washow posted:

I just made this huge post at 2am in the official forum's feedback thread check it out

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:14

ShineDog: May 21, 2007; It is inevitable!

Did anyone figure out a workaround to the "game could not login to ea backend server" thing?

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:14

bronin: Oct 15, 2009; use it or throw it away

So does the FOV option work this time around? And what FOV are goons playing on, 90? I remember playing Q3 with 110 or 120 but well Quake3 is different, I bet BF3 would look really awkward like that.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:15

Alex DeLarge: Jul 26, 2002; "Let me be emphatic..."

washow posted:

I just made this huge post at 2am in the official forum's feedback thread check it out

Motherfucker, keep your hands off the AA tanks. It's nice that they're actually useful for a change.

Your job as a jet pilot is to take care of enemy jets. That's it. Leave the rest of us the gently caress alone.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:18

Throumbas: Dec 24, 2006; why did the byob cross the road

When the game closes abruptly and battlelog says I've been disconnected, is that a crash or did the server crap itself? Or was I kicked?

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:22

eSports Chaebol: Feb 22, 2005; Support the International Campaign to Ban Spider Mines

It would be nice if choppers were less vulnerable to AA and/or to have attack jets in every jet map so that having air dominance made a bigger difference without having to make fighter jets into BF2 death machines.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:23

insider: Feb 22, 2007; A secret room... always my favourite room in a house.

Donny posted:

I found it terribly cool today to judge which way I should climb over the rocks at Hilltop, Caspian Border, in order to have the sun at my back when I ambushed an enemy squad. It's also ridiculously useful to the point of cheesiness to hide your jet in the sun during a dogfight. All in all, I think the glare and dust are Good Things to which good players will adapt.

I'm not saying to take it out I just think it needs to be toned down.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:24

ilikelettuce: Jun 6, 2011; And just once, before I die, I'd like to be Supreme Overlord of Earth. So rebel, my little ones, and conquer the planet!

I was expecting a huge headache to get this game installed and running, but there wasn't any. Sure, it took its sweet time to complete the installation, then various downloads (new video driver, Mozilla add-ons, etc). Played the campaign for a 1 hour or so, then 2 matches online, no problems again. Anyway, for the record, I have a NVidia GTX 470 running on Windows 7.

With that said, Origin is awful. Sure EA wouldn't just use Steam, but, wtf is this external program+browser plugin thing.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:24

Dosvidanya: May 28, 2004; I don't advertise for free

ShineDog posted:

Hey man, did anyone answer this yet?

It may not be a 280 issue. Do you have a Realtek onboard soundcard? Please disable it in bios, and try to play again.

If your game works just fine you have the realtek audio vs Punkbuster bug, and the best fix is getting a cheap external soundcard.

I actually went to the store and got a cheap usb headset to test it out and I just played for 6 hours sans crash so yeah it was the realtek bug. drat it

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:24

Christoff: Jun 18, 2004; I'm the living embodiment of every negative military stereotype

If you guys are having problems with battlelog and parties, getting games going, etc.

It's avast AV

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7565328.page

OP this poo poo or something

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:24

Opus125: Jul 29, 2011; by Y Kant Ozma Post

The AA tank might be my favorite thing from this game. Quite useful too against ground units as well.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:25

Fishstick: Jul 9, 2005; Does not require preheating

Re: Dust and poo poo in the air. I'll admit to having snap-scoped at paper/cloth/poo poo flying by more than once because I was sure I saw someone's silhouette run by.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:26

Opus125: Jul 29, 2011; by Y Kant Ozma Post

I do agree that Jets feel quite useless in this game. The helicopters in BC2 were more freighting. They do make nice eye candy though.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:29

The Dark Project: Jun 25, 2007; It is not an easy thing to see a Keeper... especially one who does not wish to be seen.

Gotta wait until tomorrow morning to get my copy working. drat Australian release date.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:29

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Alex DeLarge posted:

Motherfucker, keep your hands off the AA tanks. It's nice that they're actually useful for a change.

Your job as a jet pilot is to take care of enemy jets. That's it. Leave the rest of us the gently caress alone.

But really though, think about it. WHY are we stopping enemy jets? They literally do nothing. Jets take care of enemy jets... but WHY are we doing that? If we could try playing a goon game with one team in both jets and the other team not using jets at all, I'm pretty sure that's not gonna affect the outcome of the match much if not at all. They have nothing to shoot at but everyone can shoot at them.

It's a dumb circular logic. Jets are there to stop jets so the enemy jets don't shoot down our jets. What if our team just don't fly jets? We have 2 more infantry on the map actually doing poo poo.

Funny thing is, this actually changes in rush mode because a-10 and frogfoot's cannon actually does poo poo on the ground. You have to have your jets up or the enemy jet's gonna blow all of your tanks up.

I understand the two jets serve different purpose but poo poo, a-10 sure as hell can take down other flying vehicles just like the fighter jets, if not faster.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:29

Christoff: Jun 18, 2004; I'm the living embodiment of every negative military stereotype

Funny thing is no matter how lovely jets are there's still going to be a queue for them

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:30

Blazing Ownager: Jun 2, 2007; I ain't got time to bleed.

washow posted:

But really though, think about it. WHY are we stopping enemy jets? They literally do nothing. Jets take care of enemy jets... but WHY are we doing that? If we could try playing a goon game with one team in both jets and the other team not using jets at all, I'm pretty sure that's not gonna affect the outcome of the match much if not at all. They have nothing to shoot at but everyone can shoot at them.

Rock, Paper, Scissors.

Jets beat Jets.
Jets beat Helicopters.
Helicopters beat Everybody.

A competent helicopter pilot with a good gunner is a terror to behold.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:35

MrLonghair: Nov 2, 2004

M240B or M60E? Which one combined damage and firing rate to come out on top?

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:36

Flannelette: Jan 16, 2010

Alex DeLarge posted:

Motherfucker, keep your hands off the AA tanks. It's nice that they're actually useful for a change.

Your job as a jet pilot is to take care of enemy jets. That's it. Leave the rest of us the gently caress alone.

I'm all for not having bf2 death machines but as they are now the jets aren't at all threatening.
If you remember back to BF2 the jets were OP because there was no effective AA but now it's sort of the opposite the AA is there but the jets are ineffective. They should meet in the middle.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:36

ShineDog: May 21, 2007; It is inevitable!

Dosvidanya posted:

I actually went to the store and got a cheap usb headset to test it out and I just played for 6 hours sans crash so yeah it was the realtek bug. drat it

This is literally in every game that uses punkbuster, dice or not.

It is absolutely ridiculous that PB hasn't caught it given how common Realtek is, and tbh I'm amazed that any company uses PB knowing that huge tracts of people will have the issue. I guess there aren't really any good alternatives, obviously VAC isn't an option here.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:38

AngryGuy: Sep 30, 2008

Blazing Ownager posted:

Rock, Paper, Scissors.

Jets beat Jets.
Jets beat Helicopters.
Helicopters beat Everybody.

A competent helicopter pilot with a good gunner is a terror to behold.

This just isn't true. Helicopters are not nearly powerful enough to say something like this. Even if jets were not in the game and it was just helicopters they would be easily defeated by mobile AA and engineers.

BF3's aircraft are worthless. I'm not sure if I really care but I think it's dumb to argue otherwise.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:40

SyRauk: Jun 21, 2007; The Persian Menace

Christoff posted:

Funny thing is no matter how lovely jets are there's still going to be a queue for them

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:41

Retarded Goatee: Feb 6, 2010

Seine crossing is the worst drat meatgrinder there is at 64p conquest. gently caress that map.

Also, the mobile AAs loving owns. On firestorm, I just set up shop at the mountain to the right of the american spawn and rain death on anything in the sky and anything that does not have the shape of a tank on the ground. So close to that sweet, sweet air radar..

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:43

insider: Feb 22, 2007; A secret room... always my favourite room in a house.

AngryGuy posted:

This just isn't true. Helicopters are not nearly powerful enough to say something like this. Even if jets were not in the game and it was just helicopters they would be easily defeated by mobile AA and engineers.

BF3's aircraft are worthless. I'm not sure if I really care but I think it's dumb to argue otherwise.

I think pretty much all of BF3's vehicles are pretty weak at least compared to the older games. Any time I see a Heli/Tank/etc I just see free points.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:44

A Saucy Bratwurst: May 11, 2011; mmhmm

AngryGuy posted:

This just isn't true. Helicopters are not nearly powerful enough to say something like this. Even if jets were not in the game and it was just helicopters they would be easily defeated by mobile AA and engineers.

BF3's aircraft are worthless. I'm not sure if I really care but I think it's dumb to argue otherwise.

I disagree. I was playing with a random pubby as his gunner and we tore poo poo up. Including the AA.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:47

Evil Orca: Aug 30, 2011

Christoff posted:

Funny thing is no matter how lovely jets are there's still going to be a queue for them

Maybe one day people will realize jets aren't that great and stop being useless by standing on the runway the whole game. That will probably never happen though. What are the chances

nerfs the aircraft in the game so they aren't so terrible?

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:48

RandomCheese: Oct 31, 2005; Head Cancer.

The Dark Project posted:

Gotta wait until tomorrow morning to get my copy working. drat Australian release date.

You can activate it right now if you set your PCs proxy to somewhere that has it activated already, worked fine for my boxed AU copy.

Stolen from this site:

1. Search Windows for �proxy� (or go to Internet options)
2. Click �configure proxy server�
3. Click �LAN settings�
4. Check �use a proxy server for LAN�
5. Input this IP: 203.232.208.116
6. Input this port: 8080
7. Run the release date check by launching Battlefield 3 on Origin
8. If the release date check fails, click �retry�
9. Once it succeeds, disable the proxy
10. Enjoy playing Battlefield 3!

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:54

Charlie Brown: Oct 4, 2000; Infiltrates Your Skull

Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong here?

I'm getting fairly constant server disconnections.
I had the same issue with BFBC2 - but no other games.
I was playing BFBC2 on a completely different system!

It's kinda frustrating, I miss lots of XP by not picking up my badges at the end of a round.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 09:58

ShineDog: May 21, 2007; It is inevitable!

Flannelette posted:

I'm all for not having bf2 death machines but as they are now the jets aren't at all threatening.
If you remember back to BF2 the jets were OP because there was no effective AA but now it's sort of the opposite the AA is there but the jets are ineffective. They should meet in the middle.

Did anyone have a problem with the beta AA balance? I can understand that AGMs were a little brutal, but turning down the reload rate would have been plenty to fix that.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 10:02

SyRauk: Jun 21, 2007; The Persian Menace

Charlie Brown posted:

Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong here?

I'm getting fairly constant server disconnections.
I had the same issue with BFBC2 - but no other games.
I was playing BFBC2 on a completely different system!

It's kinda frustrating, I miss lots of XP by not picking up my badges at the end of a round.

I was having this problem in Chrome which I assumed updated itself automatically, apparently that wasn't the case so I did it myself and have not had any problems since. *knocks on wood*

However, clicking on Quickmatch still launches the campaign for me. I really miss Steam now.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 10:05

washow: Dec 1, 2007; Join Starfleet Dental

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BF2:
Jets were good. AAs were abysmal so jets were AMAZING

BF3:
Jets are nerfed to poo poo and are usually "meh". AAs were buffed to hell and can shutdown the whole loving map

They balanced it wrong is what I'm saying. Nerfed jets too much while buffing AAs a ton. I have no problem with AA being good (maybe not THIS good because mobile AAs are loving ridiculous) but jets are just useless and it's impossible for jets to destroy mobile AAs

Just overall jets are dumb. One fix I could think of is making the gun actually work on vehicles and infantries. Since these two are valid for a-10/frogfoot, flying in rush mode actually serves purpose while flying in CQ is dumb and is waste of time

# ? Oct 26, 2011 10:06

Funkz: May 7, 2007; I'm the Avatar! You gotta deal with it!

Giggily, stop mortaring my rear end you bitch. I will loving hunt you down and kill your family!

# ? Oct 26, 2011 10:10

Chippita: Jun 12, 2006; Not Affiliated with Soft-Shelled Pitas.

Flying a jet on ultra with 60 FPS while in 3rd person camera is absolutely beautiful. Caspian looks amazing.

# ? Oct 26, 2011 10:11

Death Himself: Sep 28, 2004; I'M GETTING FUCKED UP THE ASS OVER HERE

Mobile AA isn't too powerful. I say this as someone who uses them exclusively for entire rounds if I can.

They only shut you down if you fly around their quadrant of the map and fairly low to the ground. If you just avoid them or fly high they can't do poo poo, even the cannons won't reach.

Ideally you could get a single person with a Javelin to just kill the mobile AA over and over but teamwork haha.

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# ? May 19, 2013 12:30

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Death Himself posted:

Mobile AA isn't too powerful. I say this as someone who uses them exclusively for entire rounds if I can.

They only shut you down if you fly around their quadrant of the map and fairly low to the ground. If you just avoid them or fly high they can't do poo poo, even the cannons won't reach.

Ideally you could get a single person with a Javelin to just kill the mobile AA over and over but teamwork haha.

Liar. One mobile AA and one engi with stinger can shut down caspian boarder and stop choppers completely

# ? Oct 26, 2011 10:16

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