Idunn posted:

That said, as a new reader, I'm very surprised that so many people say things like "the beginning is boring and confusing but it gets better" to new readers. The beginning was awesome!

Zorak posted:

Because it was necessary. Remember that everything occurs as it is temporally required. And they died on their dream beds when the green sun ignited: apparently you don't need your dream selves alives for it to count, though Jade's was semi-alive, allowing hers to be consumed.

dumb brunette posted:

Haha, I just caught one of the movie references on a second go. Jade's godtier outfit has ruby slippers

annatar posted:

I liked that the scratch mechanism was a massive 7inch vinyl getting burnt by a huge CD reader laser.

In the above sequence do we think that John killed Hephaestus?

Samovar posted:

Has anyone noted that at the time Gamzee was typing to Scratch, i.e. at the point 'the most important character in Homestuck fondly regards the miracle of a new beginning.', Lil' Cal is on his lap?

Dolash posted:

All that's left is the green sun, Bec Noir, PM, Aradia, the kids, Sollux, Gamzee, Terezi, Kanaya, and Karkat. Time for the boss battle rumble.

Oxygen Deficiency posted:

It seems the long hiatus has shoved all of this stuff out of my head. I remember bits of the Scratch intermission, but I barely remember anything that happened before it.

Am I crazy or did the flash just skip some things?
How did John get to Lohac?

When did Jade make the frog/billiard thing?

When did Rose and Dave fight DD?

Why are the exiles blowing up the labs?(this part of the flash in particular confused the hell out of me)

Again, i'm not expecting answers to these, it's all just me and my terrible memory. I can accept it if these events haven't been addressed in the story yet. I just want to make sure I'm not forgetting anything I should know.

Other than that, the flash was incredible and everything else made sense....sort of.

Forer posted:

Wait a minute... I just realized something

After the scene with jade when jack uses the red miles, he has that bloody hand of his. It then cuts to the planet and the arming of the eggstation and etc. with the red miles going on.

Bluh?

jvempire posted:

I don't see this either, but I can explain that people like to call all characters evil/Lord English.

And judging from my friends reactions, people seem to easily interpret what happened in the flash wrong. Like one of my friends said that Lord English was summoned and that Rose, David, and Aradia were going to fight him. Also that Lord English was going to kill Sollux. And that WV was Lord English. I can't imagine what other silly theories people have made up too.

Zoolooman posted:

There's no suggestion that these are the first sessions either. A different off-screen session created the troll universe, after all. These are very important, bizarre sessions that are intimately connected and form the basis for the creation of a vital entity in Paradox Space, the Green Sun, but they are not necessarily the first or the last.

Starmaker posted:

Also, doesn't the scratch reset the whole universe? As in, basically recreate it? So wasn't Jack killing BSlick pretty much a moot point since it was going to end anyways (and be reset)? I mean I was under the impression the old universe was done for regardless, I was pretty sure the scratch reset everything, not just the session! (Ok Jack killing BSlick isn't a moot point at all, since it created the Green Sun, but you know what I mean).

Rasamune posted:

"First", he says. Has Act 5 literally taught you nothing?

Cyrai posted:

Also, why were there two Sollices again? I can't remember what was up with that

creationist believer posted:

Here's a quote from [S] Seer: Descend that I expect will become very relevant soon: 'Though we adore Him we shall never enjoy His beauteous Croak. We spill our blood on acres of black and white so they may cross the yellow yard. At last in Skaia's reflection through broken glass He may find the pond in which He's meant to squat.' I wonder what that pond is going to be and what the reflection is of.

Fucknag posted:

Well... not quite. First 4 acts ran from April 2009 to June 2010, then act 5 was from then to yesterday. It's about two months longer, yes, but not double the length.

Still, act 5 comprises more than half of Homestuck. Parallel universes, resurrection, God Tier, the Trolls as major characters, Doc Scratch, the Midnight Crew/Felt actually playing a role in the story, frogs... so much poo poo that's practically central to Homestuck lore at this point did not exist before 6/12. The EOA is certainly worthy of such a monster of a story. Plus, maybe it was just me, but I got sort of a Dethklok music video vibe from the whole Dog Tier sequence of Jade collecting the planets. Maybe it was just the music combined with the pentagon (PENTAGRAM!?) of mini-planets, but it was pretty sweet nonetheless. Plus, the birth of the Green Sun I think was pretty awesome.

E: Plus I totally called WV's station being used how it was.

Cyrai posted:

The church parts are a PS reference, but there's no way that's not a fourth wall with the plug

King of Solomon posted:

To add to Supercar's statement, this actually just means that the satellite was added after the ancestor fights happened. I'd say it probably has something to do with all the adult trolls being sent off to war. Maybe that's just where the Condesce lived before being sent off on a mission for English.

Pastrymancy posted:

We're sure gonna miss her

Also, who designed Rose/Dave's god tier looks? I know Lexxy did Jade's

Supercar Gautier posted:

Also, Rose and Dave travelled about 60 billion light years between the detonation of the green sun and their emergence from its surface. Let us just assume that ridiculous scale-defying speeds are a thing in Homestuck.

Supercar Gautier posted:

For reference, I was talking about their journey from the centre of the green sun to its surface. If the thing is twice the size of our universe and spherical, then it has a radius of 60 billion light years. All I meant was that immense distances in the story are rather easily dismissed by various plot elements.

robbingdog posted:

Isn't it stated that Sburb plans things so that players are given advantage which make them better suited to their mythological roles, i.e. Rose's connection to the horrorterrors helping her as a Seer? Considering the nature of paradox space, there isn't really such a thing as an event in the alpha timeline being "not supposed to be".

thanks alot assbag posted:

I think the single most memorable moment of the entire comic for me is the sequence where John blasts off for the first time, going to attempt to kill his denizen.

The "THIS IS STUPID" panel is easily the funniest thing ever.

Zoolooman posted:

You're not thinking about this given the tools at hand.

He destroyed the universe in the pre-Scratch timeline. The Scratch creates a second, new, divergent timeline. It is to be seen whether or not Jack manages to destroy the universe in its new history, since the device likely didn't send him to the Medium in its post-Scratch timeline.

Oxxidation posted:

Now someone needs to get Davesprite/Jadesprite avs.

Just an endless line of people turning their heads to the right.

Oxxidation posted:

EB: excuse me, it is called the wrinkle fucker, and it is totally amazing.

Captain Oblivious posted:

The best part is going to be John being literally a God in this new universe and being too derpy to act the part of deity.

Slime posted:

Man, if everyone wept over the magnificence of Zillyhoo I wonder would happen if the beheld the unrivalled majesty of the Popup Hammer of Vrillyhoo!

Level Slide posted:

Yeah, Dadbert is a bit of a glitch in the whole guardian thing.

HelloIAmYourHeart posted:

Mortal Sword posted:

Act 1 has definitely been the simplest to translate so far. I'm hoping folks'll like the way it's turned out.

(I'm the designer Hussie hired to work on the books, by the way)

Gizmotinker posted:

Grandpa (J) will have Riflekind.

Bro will have 12Bladekind. (hero of time)

Mom will have Alcoholkind. (drunken master)

Nanna will have Jokerkind. (still a prankster)

Plom Bar posted:

To be fair, had Bec not prototyped itself, Jade's house would have been crushed by the giant meteor. That was the whole point, it needed sprite powers in addition to Green Sun First Guardian powers to protect Jade.

gowb posted:

Okay, I'm on my first read-thru of this book-comic-movie thing, and oddly enough I just got to that part! And I'd like to ask, why did Bec prototype himself? Why didn't he just warp the meteor, or throw something else into the sprite? It also seems really bad that he prototyped himself, and apparently Jack is the end boss? Which is something I hadn't picked up. Is there another recap coming, because I took a long break and forgot some of the things that were happening.

If the answer to what I'm asking involves spoilers, then sorry, please don't spoil me!

I thought I had given up on this thing forever, because it seemed too confusing to be worth it. The only reason I decided to give it another try is because I had a weird dream about it last night, but all I can remember is what it was about and that it was interesting. I'm finally starting to figure out which troll is which, thanks to that little game in which you are Karkat talking to everyone in the big grey room. Speaking of which, what is that grey room? How did they get beyond time like that?

According to this movie ([S]Jade: Enter), Jack caused the rift? But I thought they said the kids caused it? And why did Vriska interfere like that - was she trying to kill Jade? I thought she was in on the conversation that said Jade and John were technically siblings.

Anyway, sorry to ramble, but I got banned from the chat a month or two ago because some guy had a problem with my forum posts (even though I had never met him before and had done nothing but ask HS-related questions...)

Thanks for reading this stupid post! I feel like this story is starting to come together for me, especially now that I've gotten a little past the frustration of not knowing who the heck any of the trolls are. I definitely still prefer the kids, especially John and Dave and Rose, but the trolls are starting to grow on me. Terezi and Karkat especially, since they seem like the nicest (who have also gotten the most screen time). The others are just way too mean and I don't understand why they try to kill each other all the time.

Prison Warden posted:

Since the ectobiology process seems to always create two sets of people, I should think that if these new kids exist at all that should pretty much guarantee that the old kids exist in this new universe in some form. And while the original session had the kids create ectobiological clones of the guardians, the trolls, (presumably since Karkat doesn't beleive in ancestors) ecto-cloned themselves, and they were in a second session too.

haruspex posted:

I can't believe nobody has brought up what is clearly the most important question of all: If Mom is now a kid, does that mean Dad Egbert is going to have an epic romance with . . . Rose? (John is gonna be so mad! Getting cockblocked by your own son/brother/dad/guardian, totally uncool.)

Walliard posted:

There's nothing to say that the "ancestors" can't have landed after their descendents. In fact, we've already seen an example of that with the Handmaid.