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Manos del Sino
Apr 12, 2004

Original Pony


starfish posted:

This is another one of those shows that I can't see the resolution everyone is hoping for (that the whole town discovers that they are fairytale characters) until the show ends. While I'm sure there will be some good episodes before that happens, it's just stringing me along.

Earlier today, my friend suggested that that plot may continue along predictable lines, with the conclusion of season one leading to somebody else in town remembering the fairy tale world and actually living. The second season would focus on awakening the rest of the town, while the third season would be devoted to breaking down the wall/returning to the Magic Kingdom.

We couldn't really see a way to stretch the premise beyond that.

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Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Ask me about my deep, meaningful critiques! I'm super good at them!

If the Huntsman doesn't die it will be loving lame, just as lame as it is on Terra Nova where no one ever has to face bad consequences no matter what poo poo they do (up to and including premeditated murder).

Graham has to die to keep the queen as an actual threat.

starfish
Dec 21, 2004
SOMEONE CARES TOO MUCH


Manos del Sino posted:

Earlier today, my friend suggested that that plot may continue along predictable lines, with the conclusion of season one leading to somebody else in town remembering the fairy tale world and actually living. The second season would focus on awakening the rest of the town, while the third season would be devoted to breaking down the wall/returning to the Magic Kingdom.

We couldn't really see a way to stretch the premise beyond that.

I hope that's where they go with it. I think if the first season ends without anyone knowing I'd check out.

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Human beings in the mire
What's a mire to a King?
What's a King to a God?
What's a God to a nonbeliever
Who don't believe in anything?


Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

If the Huntsman doesn't die it will be loving lame, just as lame as it is on Terra Nova where no one ever has to face bad consequences no matter what poo poo they do (up to and including premeditated murder).

Graham has to die to keep the queen as an actual threat.

And it's not like they completely went back to status quo with Graham's death w/r/t who knows what. Now it's confirmed that Emma has some way of making people remember, and Henry is absolutely going to be on hand to tell her as much.

Blight
Jan 17, 2011


DivisionPost posted:

And it's not like they completely went back to status quo with Graham's death w/r/t who knows what. Now it's confirmed that Emma has some way of making people remember, and Henry is absolutely going to be on hand to tell her as much.

Soo, when will Emma and Ruby kiss?

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Human beings in the mire
What's a mire to a King?
What's a King to a God?
What's a God to a nonbeliever
Who don't believe in anything?


Blight posted:

Soo, when will Emma and Ruby kiss?

I'm thinking we get hot Emma-on-Ruby action by episode 15, 17 at the latest.

Neosuki
Jul 14, 2004


Blight posted:

Soo, when will Emma and Ruby kiss?

When ratings drop another point.

Also did the sheriff have a schitzo accent to anyone else?

I'd bet a large Wendy's frosty that snow remembers the whistle, ends up using it and wolves come to save her.

jazz babies
Mar 7, 2007



Oh hell NO, Graham. You better not die.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 2003




hollylolly posted:

No, I'm right there with you - he DID still have a real heart, after all. Maybe he'll be in a coma... or something. Maybe?

Although I won't be mad if he really is dead, it's a gutsy move for the show and refreshing.
I really didn't expect a character death in a kind of family friendly fairy tale show like this. This show is surprisingly good though, the acting isn't great and I'm not sure how long they can keep the premise going, but for a season or two it's a pretty good idea.

Phummus
Aug 4, 2006

If I get ten spare bucks, it's going for a 30-pack of Schlitz.

My big gripe with the last episode is that Emma saw the wolf too, but seemed to conveniently forget about that after the fact.

starfish
Dec 21, 2004
SOMEONE CARES TOO MUCH


Neosuki posted:

Also did the sheriff have a schitzo accent to anyone else?

I'd bet a large Wendy's frosty that snow remembers the whistle, ends up using it and wolves come to save her.

Irish people have this weird way of sometimes not sounding Irish at all.

And yeah, the whistle will definitely come up again. I find myself looking foward to this show even though I am pretty bored while watching it, so I really do hope they start diving in.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

stop staring


Phummus posted:

My big gripe with the last episode is that Emma saw the wolf too, but seemed to conveniently forget about that after the fact.

That was actually the second time she saw the wolf. The first time was when it was in the middle of the road at the edge of town and she crashed her little car to avoid hitting it.

Which is interesting. I wonder what other creatures are in the woods?

Manos del Sino
Apr 12, 2004

Original Pony


Am I right in thinking that there are no suitable romantic interests for Emma right now, barring the obvious?

Charming is her dad, so that's out of the question. That leaves Jiminy and Rumpelstiltskin. Jiminy is not a romantic role in either reality, which leaves good ol' Rumps...

And that was the original intent of Stiltskin's bargain in the actual fairy tale, right? He did a favor in return for the first born to become his bride?


Eeeew.

LEFTENANT RIGHTIE
Dec 29, 2008
LONGWINDED MISOGYNY GIMMICK


Manos del Sino posted:

Am I right in thinking that there are no suitable romantic interests for Emma right now, barring the obvious?

Charming is her dad, so that's out of the question. That leaves Jiminy and Rumpelstiltskin. Jiminy is not a romantic role in either reality, which leaves good ol' Rumps...

Nothing meant, just out of curiosity, but why is this an issue?

I don't feel like the story as a whole or Emma's story would benefit from or is reliant on a romantic interest. If anything, I like the way the show circumvents what a 'happily ever after' means, it seems like the route for them to go would be through the whole 'happiness has different forms for everyone' as a way to sidestep the '...And then they were married and lived happily ever after,' cliche. Just because she's the main character, I don't see why she has to have a suitable romantic interest or a romantic plot at all if it doesn't move the story in some way. Even the thing between her and the Huntsman felt hackneyed when played for romance, I thought.

[Edit] Nevermind. I love this show but it pretty much is a soap opera with magic Long lost twin brother, coma, amnesia, 'but he's already married'.. I guess it would be out of place for it to not have a main romantic plot

LEFTENANT RIGHTIE fucked around with this message at Dec 13, 2011 around 23:11

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Human beings in the mire
What's a mire to a King?
What's a King to a God?
What's a God to a nonbeliever
Who don't believe in anything?


LEFTENANT RIGHTIE posted:

Nothing meant, just out of curiosity, but why is this an issue?

I don't feel like the story as a whole or Emma's story would benefit from or is reliant on a romantic interest. If anything, I like the way the show circumvents what a 'happily ever after' means, it seems like the route for them to go would be through the whole 'happiness has different forms for everyone' as a way to sidestep the '...And then they were married and lived happily ever after,' cliche. Just because she's the main character, I don't see why she has to have a suitable romantic interest or a romantic plot at all if it doesn't move the story in some way. Even the thing between her and the Huntsman felt hackneyed when played for romance, I thought.

[Edit] Nevermind. I love this show but it pretty much is a soap opera with magic Long lost twin brother, coma, amnesia, 'but he's already married'.. I guess it would be out of place for it to not have a main romantic plot

poo poo, if they really wanna give Emma a romantic interest, why not Archie? Putting aside the fact that she'd essentially have a love affair with a cricket (in spirit, physically if she successfully breaks the spell), you've got at least three people following this thread who will preach on about how the dulcet tones of Raphael Sbarge will save us all.

Count Choculitis
Sep 13, 2007

I love you, Shepard. I always have. I want to understand what this is between us... and make it real.


DivisionPost posted:

poo poo, if they really wanna give Emma a romantic interest, why not Archie?

I would be totally okay with this!

quote:

-you've got at least three people following this thread who will preach on about how the dulcet tones of Raphael Sbarge will save us all.

...sorry.

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Human beings in the mire
What's a mire to a King?
What's a King to a God?
What's a God to a nonbeliever
Who don't believe in anything?


Count Choculitis posted:

I would be totally okay with this!


...sorry.

Don't blush, at least you can claim you didn't pick Liara, the "desperate nerd bait" romance option.










(We are referring to the Mass Effect games, of which Sbarge plays a major role. BTW, I'm not looking for spoilers, but what's the general reaction to the ME3 script that leaked? Do I have to look forward to Dragon Age II levels of nerd-rage come March? I can be PMed to keep this thread on-topic.)

SNAKES N CAKES
Sep 6, 2005

by angerbeet


DivisionPost posted:

BTW, I'm not looking for spoilers, but what's the general reaction to the ME3 script that leaked? Do I have to look forward to Dragon Age II levels of nerd-rage come March?

Unspoiled answer: yes.

Romance spoiler answer: EDI transfers into a fembot body and has sex with Joker

Also, this show has sunk another 0.3 points in the ratings to a 2.9, coming last in its slot. This ain't gonna be the next Lost.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



SNAKES N CAKES posted:

Romance spoiler answer: EDI transfers into a fembot body and has sex with Joker



Okay, again I know this isn't the ME thread, but does that seriously happen? It's not a joke?

Sophia
Apr 16, 2003

There is neither happiness nor misery in the world; there is only the comparison of one state with another, nothing more. Live, then, and be happy, and never forget, that until the day God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these two words, "Wait and Hope".


DivisionPost posted:

the dulcet tones of Raphael Sbarge will save us all.

You speak the truth, my friend.

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Human beings in the mire
What's a mire to a King?
What's a King to a God?
What's a God to a nonbeliever
Who don't believe in anything?


Chairman Capone posted:



Okay, again I know this isn't the ME thread, but does that seriously happen? It's not a joke?

Snakes has always had a very deadpan sense of humor, but I can totally believe this is real. And if it is -- this is how I know I'm kind of broken -- I'll probably just laugh it off.

tehlad
Mar 10, 2008

Just another day on the job

Neosuki posted:


Also did the sheriff have a schitzo accent to anyone else?


I was just about to post about this. It seemed like every other line was in some weird accent. Maybe the wolves were Irish???

CuddleChunks
Sep 18, 2004



It does feel incredibly forced to have the mayor showing up to threaten Emma every few minutes rather than her going and doing something that asserts her power. She tends to appear and bluster for a bit so Emma can goggle at her and then does exactly what the mayor warned against. This is the first time there has been a negative consequence for defiance that I can remember. Up till now Emma boggles or throws some sass back and it all works out.

What I'm wondering is if she'll figure out that Graham's death is due to the mayor and go sleuthing. It's still hard to tell what they are going to make of this show but I like to tune in each week so good job on their part.

Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000



When the Queen told the Huntsman to read Snow's letter to her I thought he was going to say, "In case I didn't mention it before I was raised by wolves!"

So who would have taught him to read

And of course he isn't really dead, this is a fairy tale story.

cultureulterior
Jan 27, 2004


My expectations for the that Mr. Gold is trapped in Storybrooke due to the spell, but now that he knows about the rest of the world, he wants to run that, and that's why he's summoned Emma.

Essentially, Archer's Goon all over again.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Ask me about my deep, meaningful critiques! I'm super good at them!

I don't see how Emma can do anything about the Huntsman's death. It looks like it'll be a heart attack, there's no crime there, so nothing to investigate.

If the Huntsman is NOT dead, I'd consider that a fatal misstep for the show.

As it has been pointed out, Regina does not seem to be very smart. Pretty much all she's done in the real world has been to ineffectually bitch at Emma, and all that does is make her STOP doing what Regina wanted and to change to doing the thing she didn't want.

The only really threatening thing Regina has is the bunch of magic hearts in boxes. If crushing one can't even kill someone, then what exactly is threatening about her? Ineffective villains make for a very boring show.

Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000



What? The mayor crushed something but it obviously wasn't Graham's actual physical cardiac muscle that is used for pumping blood through his circulatory system.

I think you are confusing the real with the metaphorical, emotional "heart" that he is missing.

SNAKES N CAKES
Sep 6, 2005

by angerbeet


Chairman Capone posted:



Okay, again I know this isn't the ME thread, but does that seriously happen? It's not a joke?

I don't have anything else to post about this show, so I'll address this very quickly: yes, all of this is in the leaked, Bioware-confirmed ME3 script. There's also some backstory to the whole thing: the EDI-fembot was originally built by the Illusive Man, and it's heavily implied that he specifically designed it for "recreational" use, which is why EDI already has the programming for that sort of thing. Again, this is not a joke.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008



SNAKES N CAKES posted:

I don't have anything else to post about this show, so I'll address this very quickly: yes, all of this is in the leaked, Bioware-confirmed ME3 script. There's also some backstory to the whole thing: the EDI-fembot was originally built by the Illusive Man, and it's heavily implied that he specifically designed it for "recreational" use, which is why EDI already has the programming for that sort of thing. Again, this is not a joke.

Uggghh....The sad thing is, I'm still not regretting preordering ME3. I guess I'm an addict.

To actually add something about the show, an interview with Jamie Dornan:

http://www.eonline.com/news/watch_w...n_dishes/279894

Two things from that interview, one of which is I guess could possibly be interpreted as a spoiler:

The sheriff is definitely dead, but the Huntsman might in some future episode appear again in Fairy Tale Land

And originally the sheriff was "meant to be someone else, but that didn't end up happening because of rights or something like that." Which makes me think Big Bad Wolf.

Tupping Liberty
Mar 17, 2008

Never cross an introvert.


There were some spoilers about Emma/Romance in the Community TV Guide, Namely, that there will be a new romantic interest coming up for Emma in the future. Which pretty much confirms the above that the sheriff is dead.

Sophia
Apr 16, 2003

There is neither happiness nor misery in the world; there is only the comparison of one state with another, nothing more. Live, then, and be happy, and never forget, that until the day God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these two words, "Wait and Hope".


I hope it's like the Giant from Jack and the Beanstalk or the guy who sells the emperor his invisible clothes or Gaston or Puss in Boots or something. I would find it funny if Emma always fell for somewhat evil or doomed men from fairy tales.

nelson
Apr 12, 2009


I just finished watching the current episode (thank you Hulu). The thing that struck me most was Mr. Gold gardening in a full suit and tie. That's one classy fellow.

CuddleChunks
Sep 18, 2004



nelson posted:

I just finished watching the current episode (thank you Hulu). The thing that struck me most was Mr. Gold gardening in a full suit and tie. That's one classy fellow.

He's evil but looks goooooooood.

Brass Key
Sep 15, 2007

Attention! Something tremendous has happened!

CuddleChunks posted:

He's evil but looks goooooooood.

Robert Carlyle is like a diamond embedded in mediocre tv. He was the best part of SG:U and he's the best part of this show.

"Just out in the woods in my suit, wearing a massive black apron and digging a hole! Nothing suspicious going on here!"

Riven
Apr 22, 2002

by T. Finninho


My wife and I just started watching this on ABC's current "watch all 7 episodes online!" thing. It's entertaining. My wife loves fairy tales, and it's been engaging enough to get us to finish all 7. When does it come back on?

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Human beings in the mire
What's a mire to a King?
What's a King to a God?
What's a God to a nonbeliever
Who don't believe in anything?


Riven posted:

My wife and I just started watching this on ABC's current "watch all 7 episodes online!" thing. It's entertaining. My wife loves fairy tales, and it's been engaging enough to get us to finish all 7. When does it come back on?

As it happens, Herc at AICN just published the one thing he's good for: his quarterly list of premiere dates.

Once Upon a Time returns next Sunday; though we're guaranteed a full season, cross your fingers and hope the ratings slide isn't too bad.

CuddleChunks
Sep 18, 2004



DivisionPost posted:

Once Upon a Time returns next Sunday; though we're guaranteed a full season, cross your fingers and hope the ratings slide isn't too bad.

Hooray for more episodes!

Dazerbeams
Jul 8, 2009


Looks like this is the Mr. Gold/Rumple-centric episode. Color me intrigued.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006

Shepard.


Why the gently caress am I seeing CBS football on CTV when I'm watching ABC?!?

EDIT: Okay, show's on, Brad Dourif, gently caress yeah!!!

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Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Ask me about my deep, meaningful critiques! I'm super good at them!

Graham's death is confirmed. Good. If he'd still been alive or in a coma I would have seriously considered ditching the show.

Interesting that Rumplestiltskin didn't start out as an evil magical being.

Nice use of Brad Dourif, he's always an excellent "creepy guy".

Ha! I bet Mr. Gold was counting on her confession - it shows her integrity, and it will put her over the top easily.

Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at Jan 9, 2012 around 01:50

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