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Azure_Horizon
Mar 27, 2010

You can live in the wreckage and pretend it's the mansion you remember, or you can crawl from the rubble and move on.


Scarf posted:

I know this thread is by no means a definitive history of Jazz, but as someone who has a passion for NOLA jazz, in my opinion it's still missing some of the key innovators and inventors of jazz: Buddy Bolden, Jelly Roll Morton, and King Oliver are credited with inventing and popularizing jazz music from altering ragtime pieces. And it was incredibly popular well before Armstrong came onto the scene. Most of America was already listening to Stride and Ragtime.

Without Bolden, we wouldn't have The Big Four beat.

If you wanna recommend some good Youtube links to put in the OP for them, I'll do it for you. Mind you, I'm going to limit it to about six max.

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Incredulous Dylan
Oct 22, 2004

The act is always the same, but each time it's different.

Anyone who really wants to hear it from the horse's mouth should check out Alan Lomax's recordings of Jelly Roll Morton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPt0IlmHJhs

For anyone who isn't familiar with Alan Lomax, check out his wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_lomax. Alan and his father, John, probably did more than any two other people in the country to save american musical traditions from being lost. Thousands of recordings from every part of the country. Jelly Roll Morton isn't exactly a reliable witness (he claims to have invented jazz) but the man talks about and plays hits from the scene that birthed jazz at the turn of the century.

Incredulous Dylan fucked around with this message at Apr 22, 2013 around 20:38

Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

So French, So Clean


Azure_Horizon posted:

If you wanna recommend some good Youtube links to put in the OP for them, I'll do it for you. Mind you, I'm going to limit it to about six max.

The problem with that is no recordings of Buddy Bolden exist. All we have are descriptions of the music he made.

Scarf
Jun 23, 2005

Hello.


Incredulous Dylan posted:

Anyone who really wants to hear it from the horse's mouth should check out Alan Lomax's recordings of Jelly Roll Morton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPt0IlmHJhs

For anyone who isn't familiar with Alan Lomax, check out his wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_lomax. Alan and his father, John, probably did more than any two other people in the country to save american musical traditions from being lost. Thousands of recordings from every part of the country. Jelly Roll Morton isn't exactly a reliable witness (he claims to have invented jazz) but the man talks about and plays hits from the scene that birthed jazz at the turn of the century.

Yeah, Morton was his own best hype-man. There are also reports that he lied about the year he was born to make it seem more reputable that he was playing at a certain time period. Regardless though, even if Bolden didn't "invent" jazz, he certainly laid the foundation for it, then it was built up by Morton and Oliver.

There's also some evidence that jazz was developing almost simultaneously here in Charleston with the Jenkins Orphanage Band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bopD0Ud75RU

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkins_Orphanage


And speaking of New Orleans jazz... anyone at the fest this year?

Scarf fucked around with this message at Apr 23, 2013 around 00:57

Stark Fist
Oct 30, 2007
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY

on the opposite end of the spectrum... can we get some love for paul motian's various bands in this thread please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TtecBLdbx0

LordPants
Mar 5, 2011

Four more years boys, four more years.


I really enjoyed (ironically, as a bass player) his bass less Trio. Recorded some great music.

Scarf
Jun 23, 2005

Hello.


http://live.jazzday.com/

International Jazz Day concert from Istanbul, streaming live.

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008



Scarf posted:

http://live.jazzday.com/

International Jazz Day concert from Istanbul, streaming live.

Very cool. I just saw a kinda whack version of Love Supreme, but now it's an awesome set by John McLaughlin, a middle-eastern/indian style rhythm section, and an awesome violinist.

e: Very good resolution and camera work too.

Incredulous Dylan
Oct 22, 2004

The act is always the same, but each time it's different.

I was really digging that Afro Blue!

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008



Marcus Miller lays down an excellent groove.

Stark Fist
Oct 30, 2007
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY

LordPants posted:

I really enjoyed (ironically, as a bass player) his bass less Trio. Recorded some great music.
yeah his trio is loving insane. have you checked out paul motian with keith jarrett, charlie haden and dewey redman? that poo poo's unbelievable. motian and haden are my favorite bass+drums pair

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Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008

Ahhh, ninja beer!
Ninja beer?
Beer that vanish without trace!


Scarf posted:

http://live.jazzday.com/

International Jazz Day concert from Istanbul, streaming live.

Ben Williams! He's a hip dude, came to my hometown for our jazz festival this year. I got to hang out with him

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