The Toyobaru thread: *insert stupid comparison here*

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Ziploc: Sep 19, 2006; MX-5

Bovril Delight posted:

Hard to tell until you can get into it and see how restrictive the intake and exhaust is. The HP isn't awful but I'd love a torque figure to match. I don't want to have to be downshifting to 4th at freeway speeds just to pass someone, it's all too Civic SIesque.

This car might not be for you then. Downshifting is loving fun. Just learn how to do it properly and you'll never want to stop.

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# ? May 19, 2013 18:26

leyton house: Nov 21, 2011; by Fistgrrl

Ziploc posted:

This car might not be for you then. Downshifting is loving fun. Just learn how to do it properly and you'll never want to stop.

I hear that. I love rowing the gears in my Integra (well, its not like I have a choice)

# ? Feb 12, 2012 02:58

oRenj9: Aug 3, 2004; Who loves oRenj soda?!?

ROFLBOT posted:

With a static CR of 12.5:1 you'd have to think only the very lowest of boost pressures would be safe

On the plus side, high CR traditionally tend to amplify gains from improved breathing, particularly cams

The S2000 responds pretty well to forced induction with an 11:1 CR. If Subaru is smart, they will use a beefed up bottom end that is shared with the new WRX.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 03:34

emoltra: Nov 28, 2006; 10 TWERK();
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Ziploc posted:

This car might not be for you then. Downshifting is loving fun. Just learn how to do it properly and you'll never want to stop.

Every time I downshift I feel like I'm in the millennium falcon and we're jumping to hyperspace.

I drive a 1988 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe. Can't wait to see what downshifting in a BRZ feels like.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 03:41

Residency Evil: Jul 28, 2003; 4/5 godo BRAINS

Laserface posted:

There is TRD Exhaust and panel filter announced already. Gr-Eddy had the FRS at the official launch in Jan and had a bunch of stuff - coil overs, wheels spacers, wheels, exhaust, and a strut brace.

The redline is 7400RPM so i definitely hope it can handle that

more pics. Modelista version this time.

See this right here is gorgeous. Giant wings can stay in 2001 along with 9/11 and The Fast and the Furious.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 04:09

Cat Terrist: Nov 9, 2004; When I'm this close to you, I don't care about Asics.

kimbo305 posted:

I'm just thinking if a boy racer wants to get more than 15hp out of the car while staying NA, that the engine will have go to well into 8000 before power gains show up, ignoring a worse power curve at low RPMs. Are there any NA I-4 motors that are cheap to get NA power out of? I only posed the question like that assuming both the supercharger and turbo will take longer to figure out a packaging solution for.

So you mean someone like me who was bought up on a diet of small shitboxes where every hp was an effort, where heads got flowed and camshafts profiled becomes important rather than add more boost is going to relive his disrespectful teenage years of NA tuning?

# ? Feb 12, 2012 04:43

MATLAB 1988: Sep 20, 2009; Have I posted about my Subaru XT yet? Here are pictures of my Subaru XT. POST POST POST.

The Subaru rep at the Chicago show's BRZ exhibit was already pissed off at the all the hopeful tofu deliverers and excel racers asking 'where's the TURBOOOO???!'

The only other small thing to note is that it looks much wider in person. Also looks like a low budget GTR.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 04:52

Billy Zane: Jun 24, 2003; Listen to your friend Billy Zane. He's a cool dude.

Silver with 16" wheels

# ? Feb 12, 2012 05:14

Ecstatic: Sep 30, 2010

I've got an 06 WRX at the moment and will probably own one of these things sometime in the future. I don't really believe the people that are talking about supercharging and turbocharging are really going to go through with it.

Seriously who buys a new car only to void the warranty and introduce a whole heap of risky and expensive features?

One the the great things about my car that its well and truly past it's new car stage so it's open slather on all the crap I change on it.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 05:33

revmoo: May 25, 2006; Reverend Moo

Ecstatic posted:

Seriously who buys a new car only to void the warranty and introduce a whole heap of risky and expensive features?

I definitely would.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 13:43

Nitrox: Jul 5, 2002; SUPER PIMP ... defender of his own interests.

emoltra posted:

Every time I downshift I feel like I'm in the millennium falcon and we're jumping to hyperspace.

I drive a 1988 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe. Can't wait to see what downshifting in a BRZ feels like.

It will be the complete polar opposite. Downshifting a low-compression turbo engine builds near-instant boost, hence the hyperspace feeling. A high-strung NA engine will just make more noise by comparison. Personally, I prefer the instant throttle response that a well-setup NA engine could have. Hoping that individual throttle bodies and bigger cams won't get astronomically expensive on the boxer engine...

Billy Zane posted:

Silver with 16" wheels

Goodbye, savings. Hello, new car.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 14:19

Bovril Delight: Feb 22, 2005; My neck, my back, lick my udders and my horns

Ziploc posted:

This car might not be for you then. Downshifting is loving fun. Just learn how to do it properly and you'll never want to stop.

It's not a matter of not being able to downshift properly, I've been driving manuals since I started driving. It's just getting any amount of torque on this thing is going to have it screaming in RPM band, and if I'm driving to work it would get old fairly fast.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 15:14

leica: Jan 23, 2006

Nitrox posted:

It will be the complete polar opposite. Downshifting a low-compression turbo engine builds near-instant boost, hence the hyperspace feeling. A high-strung NA engine will just make more noise by comparison. Personally, I prefer the instant throttle response that a well-setup NA engine could have. Hoping that individual throttle bodies and bigger cams won't get astronomically expensive on the boxer engine...

I used to think FI cars were the holy grail until I drove a built Miata with ITB's. The throttle response and instant acceleration was incredible.

Isn't that boxer direct injected though? If so I don't think ITB's are an option.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 15:29

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; GET FUCKED

Even with a torque-y engine, you're gonna need to downshift to accelerate if you're in the final gear, because that gear is almost always designed for highway cruising. I mean, if you want to wait for it, you can get the car to sluggishly accelerate, but if you want to actually feel the acceleration, you need to drop it to 5th or 4th. I certainly wouldn't attempt an overtake into oncoming traffic in anything higher than 4th.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 15:30

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006

PT6A posted:

Even with a torque-y engine, you're gonna need to downshift to accelerate if you're in the final gear, because that gear is almost always designed for highway cruising. I mean, if you want to wait for it, you can get the car to sluggishly accelerate, but if you want to actually feel the acceleration, you need to drop it to 5th or 4th. I certainly wouldn't attempt an overtake into oncoming traffic in anything higher than 4th.

I wasn't paying attention one time and took a ramp in 6th and stayed in it to merge onto the oncoming road and my speed had fallen to 35 which is about as slow as you can do in 6th. I had my foot all the way to the floor and was so confused why the car was taking forever to get going until I realized I was still in 6th

Luckily there wasn't anyone coming in the lane I was in

At highway speeds I don't need to downshift to pass people at all, 6th has a good amount of power. But sub 2K it obviously has none

# ? Feb 12, 2012 15:38

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; GET FUCKED

Nodoze posted:

At highway speeds I don't need to downshift to pass people at all, 6th has a good amount of power. But sub 2K it obviously has none

Well, I think it depends what you mean by pass. Yes, I can overtake a car in 6th, but if I'm counting on being able to fit in a slot in the faster-moving left lane to do so, or if I'm overtaking on a 2-lane undivided highway, then doing it in 6th would be a very poor idea.

Also, at 10 km/h over the limit in 6th, my car is only turning over at around 2000 RPM, so the difference in gearing could explain that situation too. That's what happens when everyone wants insane fuel economy.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 16:39

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006

PT6A posted:

Well, I think it depends what you mean by pass. Yes, I can overtake a car in 6th, but if I'm counting on being able to fit in a slot in the faster-moving left lane to do so, or if I'm overtaking on a 2-lane undivided highway, then doing it in 6th would be a very poor idea.

Also, at 10 km/h over the limit in 6th, my car is only turning over at around 2000 RPM, so the difference in gearing could explain that situation too. That's what happens when everyone wants insane fuel economy.

Doing 10 over for me is 75mph (on most highways) at 3k which is where my engine actually has power. I still get 30mpg too, the one benefit of a Mini S. If I am trying to move over and squeeze into a spot I will downshift to 5th

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# ? Feb 12, 2012 17:57

MrChips: Jun 10, 2005; FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

oRenj9 posted:

If Subaru is smart, they will use a beefed up bottom end that is shared with the new WRX.

That would only work if the new WRX uses the FA engine. I read recently that the FA (which is in the Toyobaru) has essentially no commonality with Subaru's other engines.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 21:44

Muffinpox: Sep 7, 2004

MrChips posted:

That would only work if the new WRX uses the FA engine. I read recently that the FA (which is in the Toyobaru) has essentially no commonality with Subaru's other engines.

The 2013 WRX will be using a turbocharged variant of the FA20, there are photos of it on a display somewhere earlier in this thread.

Bovril Delight posted:

It's not a matter of not being able to downshift properly, I've been driving manuals since I started driving. It's just getting any amount of torque on this thing is going to have it screaming in RPM band, and if I'm driving to work it would get old fairly fast.

Buy something with a V8 or a WRX then? I DD an S2000 and lack of torque isn't really a problem with good gearing and a light car, even at low engine speeds. I can go months on a commute that goes through downtown Boston and onto a highway without ever exceeding 4000rpm. The only time I downshift out of 6th on the highway is when I am required to hit redline while going through a tunnel, which is literally every tunnel if there is enough room, and I generally enjoy those downshifts.

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# ? Feb 12, 2012 21:55

Cat Terrist: Nov 9, 2004; When I'm this close to you, I don't care about Asics.

Bovril Delight posted:

it would get old fairly fast.

Definatly not the car for you then.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 22:00

BoostCreep: May 3, 2004; Might I ask where you keep your forced induction accessories?

PT6A posted:

Even with a torque-y engine, you're gonna need to downshift to accelerate if you're in the final gear, because that gear is almost always designed for highway cruising. I mean, if you want to wait for it, you can get the car to sluggishly accelerate, but if you want to actually feel the acceleration, you need to drop it to 5th or 4th. I certainly wouldn't attempt an overtake into oncoming traffic in anything higher than 4th.

I loved the twin scroll turbo in the Evo IX for this reason. I could pass in 5th gear on the highway without having to touch the shifter. Anywhere above 2500rpm was instant boost, so accelerating up hills or passing people on the highway just took a little press of the right foot and you were off. Of course it killed highway mpg since it was basically on the verge of full boost with even the slightest touch, but it was worth it.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 22:04

ROFLBOT: Apr 1, 2005

Muffinpox posted:

Buy something with a V8 or a WRX then? I DD an S2000 and lack of torque isn't really a problem with good gearing and a light car, even at low engine speeds. I can go months on a commute that goes through downtown Boston and onto a highway without ever exceeding 4000rpm. The only time I downshift out of 6th on the highway is when I am required to hit redline while going through a tunnel, which is literally every tunnel if there is enough room, and I generally enjoy those downshifts.

This.

Presumptions on how a car drives based on a single peak torque number is bench racing at its worst. It doesnt take into account the torque and power curves, gearing, and the fact that the car doesnt need a bizillion torques to get it moving because it doesnt weigh 2 tons.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 22:46

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004; WASSUP BRO

ROFLBOT posted:

This.

Presumptions on how a car drives based on a single peak torque number is bench racing at its worst. It doesnt take into account the torque and power curves, gearing, and the fact that the car doesnt need a bizillion torques to get it moving because it doesnt weigh 2 tons.

That and the engine is basically making peak torque from 3000 RPM up til redline, with a slight dip around 4k, as seen on the official dyno graph I posted a page back.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 23:33

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; GET FUCKED

I think the thing no one is addressing is this: if you're afraid of making a downshift when it's necessary, buy an automatic. A 6-speed is naturally going to require your attention.

# ? Feb 12, 2012 23:53

Muffinpox: Sep 7, 2004

BoostCreep posted:

I loved the twin scroll turbo in the Evo IX for this reason. I could pass in 5th gear on the highway without having to touch the shifter. Anywhere above 2500rpm was instant boost, so accelerating up hills or passing people on the highway just took a little press of the right foot and you were off. Of course it killed highway mpg since it was basically on the verge of full boost with even the slightest touch, but it was worth it.

Even the Evo8 had really good response at low engine speeds. I liked to shortshift into 2nd/3rd and slowly accelerate down the street at partial throttle and see how long I could keep the BOV going "PFWUBUBUBUBUBUBUUB".

Or when you see a cutie on the street, sup baby ~*~flutters BOV at u~*~

# ? Feb 13, 2012 00:02

japtor: Oct 28, 2005; WELL ARNT I JUST MR. LA DE FUCKEN DA. oh yea and i suck cocks too

Ecstatic posted:

I've got an 06 WRX at the moment and will probably own one of these things sometime in the future. I don't really believe the people that are talking about supercharging and turbocharging are really going to go through with it.

Seriously who buys a new car only to void the warranty and introduce a whole heap of risky and expensive features?

One the the great things about my car that its well and truly past it's new car stage so it's open slather on all the crap I change on it.

Well if it's a TRD part it's covered by the regular warranty isn't it?

# ? Feb 13, 2012 05:46

Ecstatic: Sep 30, 2010

japtor posted:

Well if it's a TRD part it's covered by the regular warranty isn't it?

Yeh the TRD part's covered, but the engine it's bolted to isn't. You can't completely alter the fundamental design of the engine and expect it to run factory service intervals with reliability.

# ? Feb 13, 2012 11:16

InitialDave: Jun 14, 2007

Muffinpox posted:

Or when you see a cutie on the street, sup baby ~*~flutters BOV at u~*~

Isn't this akin to belching loudly at them?

# ? Feb 13, 2012 12:30

blk: Dec 19, 2009

Has anyone confirmed that an infant's car seat can fit in the back? I want to keep this car as long as possible but my girlfriend wants to pop one out in 3 years.

# ? Feb 13, 2012 13:38

Splizwarf: Jun 15, 2007; Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box

blk posted:

Has anyone confirmed that an infant's car seat can fit in the back? I want to keep this car as long as possible but my girlfriend wants to pop one out in 3 years.

Is she an elephant?

# ? Feb 13, 2012 13:42

Sockington: Jul 26, 2003

Splizwarf posted:

Is she an elephant?

Says the hill giant.

# ? Feb 13, 2012 15:02

Sockington: Jul 26, 2003

For the team planting in the EJ25, what transmission did they use?

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# ? Feb 13, 2012 15:03

Elephanthead: Sep 11, 2008

blk posted:

Has anyone confirmed that an infant's car seat can fit in the back? I want to keep this car as long as possible but my girlfriend wants to pop one out in 3 years.

It probably won't fit, but even if it did, you would have to remove the passenger seat to get it back there. This is not the proper car to haul babies in. Babies also require about 20 cubic yards of baby accessories that you need at all times in order to be able to clean up after them. They constantly crap, puke, and pee all over every thing. When I say constantly, I mean constantly. There is no break ever from the onslaught of things coming out of them. You also need to be able to put liquids back inside of them at the same rate as they come out to insure the process never stops.

# ? Feb 13, 2012 15:06

Sockington: Jul 26, 2003

Elephanthead posted:

They constantly crap, puke, and pee all over every thing. When I say constantly, I mean constantly. There is no break ever from the onslaught of things coming out of them. You also need to be able to put liquids back inside of them at the same rate as they come out to insure the process never stops.

Child Care: It's like owning a Fiat.

# ? Feb 13, 2012 15:09

Bovril Delight: Feb 22, 2005; My neck, my back, lick my udders and my horns

Ecstatic posted:

Yeh the TRD part's covered, but the engine it's bolted to isn't. You can't completely alter the fundamental design of the engine and expect it to run factory service intervals with reliability.

The engine would be under the regular warranty surely? It's not as if adding a TRD part would automatically get your warranty service declined on an otherwise in-warranty car.

# ? Feb 13, 2012 15:11

emoltra: Nov 28, 2006; 10 TWERK();
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blk posted:

Has anyone confirmed that an infant's car seat can fit in the back? I want to keep this car as long as possible but my girlfriend wants to pop one out in 3 years.

I could have swore I saw that they were going to sell a booster seat that strapped into the middle on ft86club, but I can't seem to find anything.

edit: found it

It's from this accessory catalog.

emoltra fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2012 around 15:21

# ? Feb 13, 2012 15:13

Muffinpox: Sep 7, 2004

Ecstatic posted:

Yeh the TRD part's covered, but the engine it's bolted to isn't. You can't completely alter the fundamental design of the engine and expect it to run factory service intervals with reliability.

No, the engine is covered if the TRD part causes the failure. Manufacturers are required to have warranties (12mo/12kmi bein thr minimum iirc) and to replace whatever failure damage the item causes and generally "engine exploding right the gently caress up" isn't considered normal wear and tear unless you're Porsche.

InitialDave posted:

Isn't this akin to belching loudly at them?

It's more like the mating ritual of the superb bird of paradise. I give a fluttering call and the interested girls turn to watch my display. She looks over and sees me moving down the street, chirping the BOV at her. Four doors for a family, big brakes and bulging fenders hint at the athletiscism lurking. The sleek lines and the prominent big, powerful wing. Yes, she knows her opinion of me and my display and let's me know the judgement in her sweet chirp back "That looks loving retarded what are you five."

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# ? Feb 13, 2012 15:20

Splizwarf: Jun 15, 2007; Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box

Sockington posted:

Says the hill giant.

It was a joke about gestation periods.

I mean, 3 years is a long time to be expecting.

# ? Feb 13, 2012 15:21

Dick Burglar: Mar 6, 2006; ROBBLE ROBBLE ROBBLE!

Muffinpox posted:

The 2013 WRX will be using a turbocharged variant of the FA20, there are photos of it on a display somewhere earlier in this thread.

I think I remember Autoblog or someone reporting that the turbo'd engine on the display stand next to the FA20 was actually based on Subaru's old engine tech, and was not related to the FA20 at all. But I haven't seen anyone refute that the 2013 WRX will be using the FA20, soooo v

InitialDave posted:

Isn't this akin to belching loudly at them?

Yes. Apparently in some circles (of retards) this is considered an attractive thing. Sort of like hollering at a chick on the sidewalk from your car. YO GIRL U FINE GIMME DEM DIGITS

Elephanthead posted:

It probably won't fit, but even if it did, you would have to remove the passenger seat to get it back there. This is not the proper car to haul babies in. Babies also require about 20 cubic yards of baby accessories that you need at all times in order to be able to clean up after them. They constantly crap, puke, and pee all over every thing. When I say constantly, I mean constantly. There is no break ever from the onslaught of things coming out of them. You also need to be able to put liquids back inside of them at the same rate as they come out to insure the process never stops.

I don't have much to add, I just want to say that I absolutely love this description. Well said

_{_{_{(babies are so fuckin gross)}}}

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leica: Jan 23, 2006

Elephanthead posted:

It probably won't fit, but even if it did, you would have to remove the passenger seat to get it back there. This is not the proper car to haul babies in. Babies also require about 20 cubic yards of baby accessories that you need at all times in order to be able to clean up after them. They constantly crap, puke, and pee all over every thing. When I say constantly, I mean constantly. There is no break ever from the onslaught of things coming out of them. You also need to be able to put liquids back inside of them at the same rate as they come out to insure the process never stops.

Babies just poo poo and piss all over everything?......They have these things called diapers ya know

If the car has a back seat, a child seat will work. Besides, the wife should have the baby hauler, so the cool car should only be used if the baby hauler can't.

This is AI 101 people

# ? Feb 13, 2012 15:57

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