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This thread has overlay comparing the 86 to other sports cars: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9 Don't take them to be dead accurate, though. The S2k is over an inch shorter but is shown to be a few inches longer. This is the definitive real interior picture that exists, I think:  Note: the shift pattern code:And the aforementioned 80s red LED clock. I don't really mind it. I have to admit the hype this car is getting among car enthusiasts seems to be at the right level. Everyone's conjecturing over it and looking forward to more widespread reviews. It's certainly given this forum something to talk about like nothing has in a while.
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| # ¿ Nov 2, 2011 12:55 |
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And here's a picture of how the engine/trans/diff are located: Again, don't take this for gospel. Personally wouldn't even bother with the projected heights of the people shown. But it's a good assumption. If it's even close to this, then the engineers have definitely focused on getting the CoG very low (lower than a Cayman's, according to interviews, I think). Also, the shifter will have to be remote to the trans instead of directly mounted. Not an issue, just noting. If this kind of focus was applied all around to make the car handle well and fun to drive, it could definitely find a niche market. Pending an attractive price, of course.
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| # ¿ Nov 2, 2011 13:12 |
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Cakefool posted:Holy poo poo is that a joke picture or does that mini have 24" wheels? I couldn't quite figure that out, either. The smaller wheels are plainly the MINI's, but they aren't centered to the plastic fender flares. So this pic shows a slightly more rearward placement for the motor:  Doesn't really change anything, but it's good to see that the leading edge is behind the front edge of the wheels.
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| # ¿ Nov 2, 2011 21:10 |
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kimcicle posted:Also, the newest tech sheets are saying the compression ratio is 12.5:1. Doesn't this bode poorly for any sort of FI? Any FI motor based on this design would use different pistons. But new engine control systems could probably do 10+:1 compression easily.
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| # ¿ Nov 2, 2011 22:19 |
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Cakefool posted:I can't see that, sorry. The big wheels are exactly centered in the black plastic mini arches. Check out that wheel design compared to the other overlays.
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| # ¿ Nov 2, 2011 23:11 |
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Just saw 3 of the tips off. Boom, sleeper look established (may need stick on supercharger on hood).
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| # ¿ Nov 3, 2011 00:14 |
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aventari posted:Everybody has to give his opinion about the LCD clock in the dash, or how many exhaust tips, or what color to paint the bike shed. What do you want people to talk about? How the seats feel? How the test drive was?
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| # ¿ Nov 3, 2011 01:40 |
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Notch.
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| # ¿ Nov 3, 2011 17:12 |
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kimcicle posted:In all the tech documents that so far have been leaked the comparisons are against the Miata, RX-8, and the CR-Z. So why is the Miata in the running? quote:This thought just crossed my mind; will the tC cause any issues with Scion selling the car?
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| # ¿ Nov 3, 2011 21:39 |
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Piano posted:You don't know mazda like I do. The one that tried its damndest but couldn't make a rotary for the modern world?
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| # ¿ Nov 4, 2011 06:04 |
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Tide posted:I think more than anything, it's the fact it's RWD. I really don't like FWD cars, and AWD even less. I can't afford a BMW or other RWD coupes until they're beat to hell and back - or more specifically, the maintenance on one. But a Mustang a couple years old? Sure. You're saying anything new that was RWD and affordable would catch your eye?
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Skyssx posted:Dodge Charger, trap sprung? I like the new Charger myself, but I think the general market would rather have a fun car the size (and possibly better utility) of the FR-S that was FWD than whatever they could get for cheap enough that was RWD.
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| # ¿ Nov 5, 2011 19:36 |
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blargle posted:Anyone able to overlay this against an 08+ STi hatch in side profile for comparison? Is it gonna be that different from the Impreza they compared? It's at the very bottom of the overlay thread.
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| # ¿ Nov 6, 2011 21:05 |
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WS6 97 posted:Just seems to be a Toyota with a Subaru badge since it doesn't have AWD. Its dissapointing really. I don't think either car will be disappointing driving wise. Sales-wise, sure. Calling it just a Toyota or just a Subaru is a disservice to both sides' engineers.
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| # ¿ Nov 8, 2011 06:17 |
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Frodo Baggins posted:I parked next to a new cooper s last week and the mini was wider and taller than my car. I agree, the probe is definitely not what I would call tiny, especially compared to something like an mx5 but compared to most compact cars I see around, it's pretty small. It might be a few inches taller than a Probe, but the Probe is wider. And certainly longer, a bit longer than a contemporary Civic. Of course not all that space is useful volume.
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| # ¿ Nov 8, 2011 08:04 |
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Sockington posted:One was known for making good sports cars. Wait, then what does this S badge on my Corolla mean?
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| # ¿ Nov 9, 2011 03:53 |
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What's up with the hype dying out for this car? They should dole out a few more bits before the auto show.
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| # ¿ Nov 13, 2011 19:35 |
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Rabble posted:Ft86club just posted the full 42 page training manual. It's lovely cell phone pics in Japanese but "ooo pretty pictures" I went to Altavista and found the link: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2254 e: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...55&d=1321381137 I wonder what the two differing power curves are. With/without cam change? kimbo305 fucked around with this message at Nov 15, 2011 around 19:14 |
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The vent is unnecessary. The little kink on the front fender edge would look fine without it, just like on the current STi.
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| # ¿ Nov 16, 2011 19:45 |
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Love the wing, too.Rabble posted:The fender vent is functional and not just a stick on vanity piece. Granted, it could be a little less gaudy but even the base model scion version has some form of vent right there. I'm cool with it being functional, but it definitely doesn't have to stick out like that.
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| # ¿ Nov 16, 2011 21:51 |
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The 370Z is way more pinched front and rear, but the window profile is quite similar.
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| # ¿ Nov 17, 2011 15:29 |
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interwhat posted:Love the wing, and I want a straight six in it with a six speed, and twin turbo. No offense, but getting all that stuff into this platform would make the resultant car very very different.
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| # ¿ Nov 22, 2011 20:32 |
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I guess 200hp is exactly what they meant when they said "under 300hp."
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| # ¿ Nov 26, 2011 20:14 |
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Someone in that new thread took issue with the reported height. Here's the 370Z overlay: It might not be completely accurate, but I think it's close enough, going by the concept's reported dimensions -- it's a couple inches shorter and 3 inches lower. Sure, it's the concept, but the newer versions at auto shows and from the spy shots don't look that much taller. The thing would have to be on stilts to jump to 4" taller than the 370Z.
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| # ¿ Nov 26, 2011 21:29 |
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I don't think they've made any bones that the car is supposed to be about anything other than the handling and driving experience. And there's obviously only so much they can do about the price. Until they turbo this thing, the units sold will have to do strictly with how well it drives and how many people care about that more than most other factors. e: clarified my point kimbo305 fucked around with this message at Nov 26, 2011 around 21:58 |
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You Am I posted:I have never seen a boot opening for the new Camaro. That is a pretty useless size.
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| # ¿ Nov 27, 2011 00:37 |
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That boxer logo on the vent is cool.
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| # ¿ Nov 27, 2011 02:03 |
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Mr. Pither posted:I imagine the least charitable interpretation of this would be that he's compensating for lax performance numbers, but I don't get the impression that they ever intended this car to be a fire-breathing beast. Another way to look at it is that none of the underlying componentry is specced to deal with more power than it currently has, which would certainly help with prices. In the NA Miata, they certainly did a lot of bin-raiding, but the end product has turned out to be robust enough to take on power adders. Hopefully it'll be the same with the 86. If the cited figure of 2662 lbs is real, and they did it with basic materials, that'd be an engineering coup, too.
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| # ¿ Nov 27, 2011 18:30 |
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Nodoze posted:A cooper S is like 200hp and I wouldn't classify them as slow 180 in the latest gen. The turbo probably makes it feel faster than an NA that you have to wring past 6k to get peak torque. I think this car should be fine, as long as the drive knocks the socks off of anyone who tries it out.
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| # ¿ Nov 27, 2011 23:58 |
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Snowdens Secret posted:Also I'm pretty sure Scion styling/marketing will dick the US version up pretty badly. How much have Scion models deviated sheet metal wise compared to their ROW counterparts?
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Nodoze posted:I know the non-S still has no power, but I thought they had gotten better HP numbers out of the newer engine and turbo set up. Good to know my supercharged has more power Wasn't the old SCed Cooper S just 160?
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oRenj9 posted:I most certainly wasn't holding it against the 86, I was just pointing out that you are not going to be flipping the bird to new Mustang drivers while taking them out the outside in this car. If Mustang driver stereotypes and to be seen 86 driver stereotypes are true, then it could be the case. But I'm still not convinced that only hardcore people will buy this car.
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| # ¿ Nov 28, 2011 04:38 |
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PT6A posted:Toyota's a company with tons of experience, and it's not like Ford is the second-coming-of-automotive-Christ, why should we simply accept that Toyota cannot do better? The V6 Mustang only became what it is because of stiff competition from the Camaro and (to some degree, I think) the GenCoupe. I want nothing more than to see it blown out of the water again, whether by this car or a completely different one, to give the engineers another target to reach. If the engineering efforts portrayed in that interview are accurate, most of the time devoted was on whatever handling goals they had in mind, not raw track time. They specifically harped on Ring time as a bad way to compare cars. If this car drives in a noticeably nice way on the street (better than it would have had they focused on lowering track time), then we should be able to say Toyota did it best there.
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| # ¿ Nov 28, 2011 16:48 |
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I pointed this out before, but if your packaging is a 2.0 boxer, how much power can you get out of it? The S2k got 240hp, and got terrible mileage because of the gearing and fuel needed to get that kind of power. I can only assume leaving turbo off the table meant fewer packaging and R&D nightmares.
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| # ¿ Nov 28, 2011 21:04 |
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Ooooh ooh, now compare to the E30 M3 and the late 80s 911.
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| # ¿ Nov 28, 2011 21:58 |
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Muffinpox posted:This has a good deal in common with the E30 M3, I wonder if they were using that as a benchmark for "driving feel" during development. Would love for some car mag to cross compare these cars and once and for all destroy the notion of soul.
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| # ¿ Nov 28, 2011 23:55 |
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hedge posted:Here's the BRZ. Nice. If the interior is the same, it'll come down to whichever is cheaper, I guess. They didn't really come through on the nice taillight shape from the concept. Always next year, I suppose.
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| # ¿ Nov 29, 2011 02:21 |
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Lowclock posted:Is this seriously what the back seat is going to look like? I realize it's small and probably not going to be used much, but that looks like poo poo. It's a tiny bit smaller than the 370Z, which is a two seater with the same wheelbase. We all knew this was happening. I guess they could have made the seat bases a bit shorter.
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| # ¿ Nov 29, 2011 02:36 |
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Lowclock posted:What I actually meant was besides the fact that they are small, they look like a cheap afterthought. Would it have killed them to at least make the back more than a flat board with 2 pleats in it that is in no way related to the bottoms? I'm all for it. Cheap as possible, punishment for those who are trying to bum a ride off me to the taco place, still useable in a few situations. e: if turboing this car involves a hood blister like on the DSMs, then let's bring that fashion statement back. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at Nov 29, 2011 around 02:53 |
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coolskillrex remix posted:Im confused, whats the point of the subaru version if its almost identical to the toyota version? After all that work, it's probably the most straightforward way to profit-share between Toyota and Subaru dealers, who at least in the US aren't directly tied into the financial relationship Subaru and Toyota have going on.
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