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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


http://sniffpetrol.com/2011/10/28/toyotaft86ashtray/

Sniff Petrol posted:

Toyota has revealed fresh details about the ashtray it will fit in its forthcoming rear-wheel drive sports car, codenamed FT-86. Naturally, the Japanese company wants to keep some details of the ashtray a secret for now, but it has confirmed that the ashtray will be made of plastic and will have a lid.

For the first time, Sniff Petrol can reveal that we were given exclusive access to the ashtray during a top secret Toyota test session back in May. This was very much a development ashtray and key details such as the lift-out insert and the underneath bit were kept under wraps but we were permitted to play with the lid a couple of times and we can report that it had a crisp, short travel action and felt highly responsive. The ashtray engineers were keen to stress that they still had work to do on the texture of the lid but on the evidence we saw it seemed to be quite nice, even though we weren’t allowed to look at it directly.

Meanwhile Subaru, the lead development partner in the FT-86 project, has let slip some tantalising details about the door pockets that will be fitted to its version of the exciting new coupe. A spokesman claimed that these pockets will be slightly more accommodating than those fitted to Toyota’s version of the car and will be capable of taking ‘just under one bottle of water, a sunglasses case and a load of old sticky parking tickets that have gone a bit curly’.

Toyota is not saying anything about its car’s door pockets but has promised that next week it will reveal some exclusive details concerning the FT-86’s upper seat belt mounting point adjustment knob. A Toyota spokesman later denied that his company was revealing the FT-86 ‘too slowly’ and that there was ‘no need’ for them to stop pissing about and just show us the loving car.

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


If Mazda do reincarnate the Suzuki Cappuccino, I'll buy one.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Cakefool posted:

Ah, but will it be fast enough to drive home before it evaporates in a fine cloud of rust?

Can someone photoshop the Subaru version into a new Brat please?
Warranty!

Besides, the problem with the Cappos is a complete lack of anti-rust treatment. If you bought one new and had it Waxoyled and undersealed from the start, it'd probably be fine and dandy.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Nodoze posted:

They should absolutely make a commercial with a pizza delivery dude ripping through corners to some eurobeat music in the BRZ

That would legit make me want one even more
Well, if they're building it in Gunma...

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


If you find you don't fit in cars because of your height, and you're a bit of a , lose some weight. Having a big fat rear end means you don't sit as far back or low down in a seat as someone who's less corpulent, which artificially reduces the amount of space you have.

I used to be a complete lardarse, and compared to then, when I sit in a car as someone of "normal" build but still 6'2", my knees are further from the dash and so on.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Sockington posted:

I'm up to five (six if you count the donor AE-86) on my two-car garage property.
This is perfectly normal.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


200bhp doesn't seem too bad for a generic production 2.0, though.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


According to Autocar, UK buyers will need to dig into their pockets for £28k in order to get one.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


smooth jazz posted:

Without a doubt the GTI was the faster, more capable car but the old Legacy had more soul.
This always seems to cause a huge amount of with some people, but I know what you mean. That "Fisher-Price toy" feeling?

I can't really rationalise the money for an 86 when they come out, but I'll get a test drive, just to see if they've managed to get it "right".

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Not quite as annoying as things like Land Rovers, though. It's getting pretty bad when we can build a car here, ship it across the atlantic, and charge £10k less for it than in the UK.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Looks like I'm not the only one who goes all about how much offset needs to be altered to maintain the correct intersection relationship of KPI and contact patch when changing wheel and tyre setups.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Skyssx posted:

This car starting at $27k is a joke. The might as well not have even bothered.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


BoostCreep posted:

I went from an Evo with HIDs to an S2000 with them, to an STI with them, and now I'm driving an '01 Jeep Cherokee. With sealed beams. I feel like I'm driving under water at night
Yes, but then again, you probably can.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Sometimes it works the other way. All things being equal, I'd probably rather have a Skoda than an Audi badge on an otherwise identical car.





VVVV: That is exactly the reasoning behind it.

InitialDave fucked around with this message at Dec 8, 2011 around 19:23

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Hog Obituary posted:

I wonder if Subaru and/or Toyota will be voiding warranties for taking the car to the track. I remember reading that Subaru and Mitsu were quick to deny coverage if there was evidence of tracking WRXs and Evos.
What would this "evidence of track use" be, exactly? How do they magically differentiate it from hard road driving?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Sorry, CT, you can't say a supercharger doesn't add heat energy. If you want to fit more gas into the same space, you're compressing it. If you're compressing it, you'll be heating it, there's no way around it. Yes, heat soak from the exhaust etc is a factor, but it's not the whole story. If they use a water-cooled turbocharger, that'll suck out quite a bit of heat from things too.

I don't think intercooling is likely to be the issue anyway. Might need a reshaped front bumper, but I can't believe that they'd find it impossible to put a front mount in there.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Laserface posted:

Washing your car every week so it retains some semblance of cleanliness for a few hours is not so great though*

*white car owner.
But you can't polish a TRD?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


They could modify their production system in Japan to provide the US with CKD kits, which would be a good halfway house.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


They've even been known to export them to Japan.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


I think we're more like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-tKiac7xNY

"Drive it like you stole it, Dad!"

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Seat Safety Switch posted:

Professional race teams?

I know Subaru has an RA trim level of the BRZ for just this purpose. Narrow steelies with lovely rubber, cheap paint, missing interior, etc because they know you're gonna pull everything off and build it into a race car.
Jesus, I've been saying for years that manufacturers of cars popular with either racers or ricers should be doing this. Big engine, poverty-spec everything else.

Saying that, used to be you could get cars like that anyway - the old man's 1990 E30 was on steelies with something like 175 section tyres. He liked roundabouts.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


wav3form posted:

That's not AI enough because it's not 4 different colors of primer or on jack stands in a gravel driveway.
Give it a week.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Muffinpox posted:

Or when you see a cutie on the street, sup baby ~*~flutters BOV at u~*~
Isn't this akin to belching loudly at them?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


If you stick with an MPV or something to start with, then buy one of these when the kid is, say, two or three, you should probably avoid them growing up with a lingering sense of shame at their lame-rear end parents. But is it worth the risk?

A modern childseat in a Toyobaru is going to be a drat sight safer than anything anyone posting here was transported around in as a sprog, and we're all here to tell the tale.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Dick Burglar posted:

That's a completely specious point. The children who died due to less-safe child seats aren't here to weigh in on this because they're dead.
Stop ruining my Fox News approach to the argument.

Seriously, though, why do people assume that a sporty car is unsafe? Yes, it might be awkward to get the baby seat into the back, but that's a separate argument.

It feels like "small car unsafe, big car safe" logic, which is utter bollocks, and the kind of thing that saw people buy Chrysler Voyagers, a car so wonderful it scored zero stars in NCAP testing. If the car has isofix mounts, a good childseat design, and tests reasonably, I can't see why people would be any less willing to put their kids in it than the kind of Focus-sized hatchback that is the usual transport for thousands of families.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


rscott posted:

Yeah right now a lot of Japanese companies are posting record losses because of the earthquake/nuclear disaster and despite all the QE the Japanese government is doing they can't seem to devalue the Yen at all.
Tell me about it, I got Y115 to the £ when I went there in October, I remember it being Y220+ not so long ago.

Not that I wish fiscal disaster on anyone, but if they could have some kind of massive devaluation right around when I'm exchanging currency for going back next year, that'd suit me just fine.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


gently caress the lot of you, that'd be a bargain on the other side of the Atlantic.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Cream_Filling posted:

Yeah but we have to pay for healthcare, too.
What's your income tax rate? And sales tax rate?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Muffinpox posted:

We don't hate it because 27k isn't a bargain, it's because the 25-30k market for cars is saturated with a ton of good cars that all look a lot better on paper than the BRZ, except for in curb weight. You can get a Genesis 2.0T R-spec in that range which is just a fat BRZ and is going to have 274hp next year.
Yeah, we haven't got those over here.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Cream_Filling posted:

What's the comparative price for a Miata over there? Or the import Mustang?
A Mustang would be personal import only, and probably about £25k for a base model all in - A V8 would be in the low £30ks. Call that $40k and $50k respectively.

A Miata/MX-5 starts at £20k base for the 1.8, so that's $32k.

The above includes tax.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


DEUCE SLUICE posted:

How much does college cost you?.
Fees would be about $45k for a degree course at a university. College means something else here, different terminology.

Look, we could do this all day, but it's fruitless, really, and means nothing because you have to take into account income, and there's hundreds of other variables too. The UK does have more support in terms of healthcare etc, but it isn't a free lunch, you pay for it one way or another. That's not really relevant to my point, though - even taking the sales tax out of the equation, you're always looking at a car in the UK costing maybe 30-40% more than the equivalent in the US. It's always been this way, and sure, a smaller market is part of it, but I don't think Americans quite understand how new cars are, in real-world terms, cheaper for them than many other countries.

I know that it's only about comparisons within your own market, and the prices of everything else are similarly pegged, but nothing is going to stop me rolling my eyes when I read how £18k out the door is too expensive for one of these.

Luckily, though, we seem to have way more realistic used prices, so when it comes round to buying five-year-old ones, it'll be our turn for some .

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Sockington posted:

I thought it was always time when you're English?
British, actually, I'm half Scots. And in answer to your question, yes. Yes it is.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


It may not be "bare minimum car you can get away with", but that doesn't make it any more a luxury than a hot hatch, and it's no less practical than a Smart.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


2ndclasscitizen posted:

Not if you go for a more economical engine.
A what?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


One of those things is not like the others.

Yes, being FWD won't matter to the hairdresser demographic. We are not the hairdresser demographic.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


Q_res posted:

Hey, by InitialDave standards this is a perfectly reasonable comparison...

If you seriously don't think an FR-S is going to appeal to the same 20-something males that might otherwise buy an Si coupe, then I don't know what to tell you. Except that you're hilariously out of touch with the real world.
I couldn't decide whether to buy my Grand Cherokee or a Suzuki Cappuccino. Ok, to be fair, if I'd bought the latter, I'd have likely used it as an excuse to buy a Landie as well, but there you go.

I don't mind being out of touch with the real world. AI world is much nicer. Yes, people will buy things like a Civic Si as an alternative to the Toyobaru, they always have with other cars like the MX-5, because they're not bothered about whether or not it's RWD.

Yes, I'm an elitist. I'll apologise for insulting any hairdressers with such a crass generalisation, but not people who don't get why RWD is such an important element of the Toyobaru's appeal.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


I think that the best way I can put it to explain why I get a bit snarky about it is that catering to the people who are actively interested doesn't necessarily gently caress things up for people who aren't that bothered one way or the other, but I think in the reverse situation it's a negative thing.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


kimbo305 posted:

What do you want the marketing department to say?
I'm an engineer, so "I can't believe you fired all of us" would be fine.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


So the floorpan's got enough rigidity to lose the roof entirely, but not to have a hatch?

Yeah, thanks guys. Nice one.

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007


I was thinking more MGB GT style. Same profile as it is now, only with a rear hatch.

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