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T.G. Xarbala posted:The names are all typically Japanese men's names. Ah, thanks. I don't know Japanese at all. 
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Also that's basically how the world actually works but with less implied competence 
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| # ? Jan 13, 2012 23:06 |
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It looks like all the Syo victims are male, but it seems a little ridiculous that hasn't been canonized into the Syo legend--the same one that says the killing number into the thousands. I'm sure the body count couldn't possible be that high, but how the killing seems sporadic and random has been mentioned every time Syo has come up. Even if the killing have been unconnected otherwise, that all the people found have been men is pretty much point no. 1 when profiling the victims (and the killer by obvious extension).
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| # ? Jan 13, 2012 23:07 |
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The more detailed the game gets, the less faith I have it will be concluded in a satisfactory manner. 
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| # ? Jan 13, 2012 23:09 |
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Lujei Piche posted:3. Unless they're going to pull the "much stronger than she looks" thing, I have a really hard time believing that scrawny Fukawa is strong enough to regularly overpower grown men and crucify them before killing them. If all the victims were teenagers like the 14 year old, I could maybe see it. But adult men? Perhaps she seduced them first?
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| # ? Jan 13, 2012 23:20 |
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Zenostein posted:Also from the file: This was a few pages back but, if you remember, this observation is immediately followed by the supposition that Syo might have DID. This implication is that Syo crucifies some poor schmuck, tortures them further then finally kills them. Then the second personality reemerges, is horrified at the sight of the victim and runs off "in a state of agitation." I'm not really sure how they can guage the mental state of Not-Syo during the escape, but whatever, it's part of the story.
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| # ? Jan 13, 2012 23:33 |
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Why do I get the feeling that the motive in this murder actually is the secrets that Monobear threatened to reveal at the start of the chapter. Take Togami for example, what if his secret is that he's adopted and actually not entitled to all the things he's being smug about being entitled to. If that got out, his life would be over, even if he did eventually escape. He'd be disowned, discarded, left to rot. Given his personality, I think a secret like that really is something that he'd kill for. I look forward to seeing the rest of the evidence for this case.
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| # ? Jan 13, 2012 23:40 |
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KingEffingFrost posted:Why do I get the feeling that the motive in this murder actually is the secrets that Monobear threatened to reveal at the start of the chapter. That is not how inheritance works. Perhaps this is nitpicky, but if there was a large time skip, wouldn't at least a few of them notice? Their nails would have grown, their hair would have grown, some of the guys might have grown stubble if not a full on beard, the ladies might have noticed that their armpits are strangely hairy, and to boot, their bodies would have been atrophied from inaction. These are all things that are not minor, and at the very least Kirigiri should have figured out. Of course, there exists the possibility that they were just to lazy to draw two images of the characters.
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| # ? Jan 13, 2012 23:49 |
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Like how Leon somehow had an identical shirt with him? 
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| # ? Jan 13, 2012 23:51 |
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Maybe the heir's secret is he is secretly seeing a lower class woman and that'd piss daddy right off. Or maybe his mom had an affair and the man he thought is his father actually isn't.
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Medieval Medic posted:That is not how inheritance works. I'm not a huge proponent of the "everyone was unconscious for a year" argument (it helps explain somethings, but it just seems superfluous to me) but Monobear could have been... grooming them. I wouldn't put it past him.
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 00:07 |
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KingEffingFrost posted:Why do I get the feeling that the motive in this murder actually is the secrets that Monobear threatened to reveal at the start of the chapter. Or the secret being broadcast to the world about Togami is that there is a secret shadow network and it's going to pinpoint the Togami family? I mean, that's a secret I could see someone killing over. An empire built around secrecy being shown to the public.
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 00:08 |
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Medieval Medic posted:Perhaps she seduced them first? 
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 00:19 |
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CrushedB posted:It just seems really weird for him to be such a cold, calculating, and seemingly intelligent person, and then bring up his Syo evidence as a masterstroke while not noticing something obvious about it. Either he's an idiot who doesn't realize that he's incriminating himself, or he's not talking about it on purpose for some reason that isn't clear yet. Or just an idiot who thinks too highly of himself and is actually honestly trying to catch a murderer.
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 00:32 |
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Akarshi posted:He's the only one other than Syo who knows the MO of Syo (since the files are all confidential) Is this necessarily true, though? The heir certainly made this assumption, but wouldn't it be possible for, say, Kirigiri to know it (especially if ??? is detective or such)? Mind you, I don't particularly have a reason to suspect her, but it's not impossible. Heck, the doujin goon could have an overly talkative uncle in police.
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 00:35 |
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KingEffingFrost posted:Take Togami for example, what if his secret is that he's adopted and actually not entitled to all the things he's being smug about being entitled to. If that got out, his life would be over, even if he did eventually escape. He'd be disowned, discarded, left to rot. What? Why would his family suddenly disown him if they were the ones that adopted him in the first place? 
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 01:07 |
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Phlegmish posted:What? Why would his family suddenly disown him if they were the ones that adopted him in the first place? Him being the child of a secret love affair would make much more sense. Maybe then his father would deny him his inheritance.
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OddObserver posted:Is this necessarily true, though? The heir certainly made this assumption, but wouldn't it be possible for, say, Kirigiri to know it (especially if ??? is detective or such)? Mind you, I don't particularly have a reason to suspect her, but it's not impossible. Heck, the doujin goon could have an overly talkative uncle in police. Yeah, I've pretty much assumed that Kirigiri is the Super High-School Level Detective/Investigator after her performance in the first case. Also, I'm pretty certain that a fair number of the students regularly break the voluntary curfew, and the Heir can't have guarded the storage room 24/7 every day. However, it would actually make more sense if the copycat was someone who had only heard of the crucifixion method from someone they know, rather than reading the file. The scissors are made such a big deal of in the file, but if it was just an uncle saying, "and the crazy thing is, Syo also crucifies everyone he kills!" that would make more sense than someone reading the file but missing the giant illustrations and close-up shots of scissors all over the place.
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 01:12 |
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Does his Illuminati family even exist right now? I mean, y'all remember about Naegi and Maizono's vids way back when, right? They need a reason to graduate and figure out what's going on with the outside world. Yeah, Togami's "fine" with being in the school and figure out how to graduate in his own manner, but one fact remains - Is his family still "there", or is his video not about the family, but another factor that's close to him?
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 01:40 |
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LightningKimba posted:Does his Illuminati family even exist right now? I mean, y'all remember about Naegi and Maizono's vids way back when, right? They need a reason to graduate and figure out what's going on with the outside world. I bet his video was his bank account showing a $0 balance.
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LightningKimba posted:Yeah, Togami's "fine" with being in the school and figure out how to graduate in his own manner, but one fact remains - Is his family still "there", or is his video not about the family, but another factor that's close to him? Baseless speculation: Togami's embarrassing dark secret is that his family has been dead for years and didn't leave him the family fortune in their will, but he's just been using his massive amounts of money and power to cover up that fact. His video was not about any people he loves getting killed, but was instead just piles and piles of burning money (^ and that).
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MoonwalkInvincible posted:There was a separate supply room full of boxes and poo poo. If I remember correctly, it was near the kitchen somewhere. Lujei Piche posted:1. The scissors pictured in Genocider Syo's crime scenes don't look like ordinary scissors: they're strangely ornate and it looks like the same exact ones are used each time. If they are some kind of specially made scissors, seems odd that the police couldn't trace them and the person who apparently has an unlimited supply of them to go murdering with. This means: 1. They could be in-universe a very common brand of sewing shears and ergo less traceable (Just buy a few pairs from the local shop before your next murder). 2. Presuming the shears in the girls' sewing kits are one-in-the-same Monobear has been taunting the real Syo the whole time to start getting their murdering on. And if between Fujisaki and the culprit who is punished at trial there is at least one girl, a male Syo could preform a traditional Syo murder at any time following this chapter. Either that or Monobear is Syo  or it's just a red herring 
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 01:57 |
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I thought the scissors looked more like surgical scissors, guess I didn't look at them close enough.
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I don't understand why anyone thinks it's the fortune teller. He hasn't been mentioned at all! In contrast, all the evidence so far (knowing the killer's MO, the extension cable, the Fukawa connection, all of a sudden allowing Naegi access to the library's secrets, prior conflict with Chihiro, his pushy as hell 'cooperation') points to Togami. Even on the meta level, his character arc is played out, while the fortune teller's is unexplored. The real difficulty as I see it would be to find evidence to exonerate Fukawa. Especially if she has a DID episode in the middle of the trial. Fangz fucked around with this message at Jan 14, 2012 around 02:12 |
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Fangz posted:I don't understand why anyone thinks it's the fortune teller. He hasn't been mentioned at all! In contrast, all the evidence so far (knowing the killer's MO, the extension cable, the Fukawa connection, all of a sudden allowing Naegi access to the library's secrets, prior conflict with Chihiro, his pushy as hell 'cooperation') points to Togami. Even on the meta level, his character arc is played out, while the fortune teller's is unexplored. This is 100% what I'm thinking. Of course, the investigation's what, half over? I'm counting on some balls-to-the-walls twists.
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Apocadall posted:I thought the scissors looked more like surgical scissors, guess I didn't look at them close enough. I think I spoke too soon, they could also be hair-cutting shears. I'm sure whatever they are will be brought up by Kirigiri at the trial though, due to their mysterious absence in a supposed "genuine Syo murder". Too much searching and googling is going to lead to a plot spoiler at some point, so i'm going to let this one go for now.
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Fangz posted:I don't understand why anyone thinks it's the fortune teller. He hasn't been mentioned at all! Before evidence was brought forth, alot of goons analyzed whose motives would be driving enough to do the deed, and speculation about him being a fake prompted alot of calling that he would be the killer. And then everything pointed in a different direction.
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 02:26 |
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I think it's the fortune teller because he has even less character than Fujisaki did and he can go away now.
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 02:37 |
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TKMobile posted:Before evidence was brought forth, alot of goons analyzed whose motives would be driving enough to do the deed, and speculation about him being a fake prompted alot of calling that he would be the killer. Plus a little bit of meta-gaming in the sense of "he's been incredibly boring and unremarkable so far, so the plot wouldn't miss him if he were gone." But at this point I suspect that rather than being mostly undeveloped (like Leon was), he's just uninteresting now because he will be developed further in a later chapter.
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MoonwalkInvincible posted:Plus a little bit of meta-gaming in the sense of "he's been incredibly boring and unremarkable so far, so the plot wouldn't miss him if he were gone." Yup, just remember what we thought about Maizono and how she was going to be one of the central characters. Getting a conspicuous amount of character development can be a death sentence.
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Phlegmish posted:Yup, just remember what we thought about Maizono and how she was going to be one of the central characters. Getting a conspicuous amount of character development can be a death sentence. At the same time, though, Chihiro had almost nil character development before her death, Free Actions notwithstanding. We can't use that as a basis, and the game wants us to know that.
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Bocc Kob posted:I think it's the fortune teller because he has even less character than Fujisaki did and he can go away now. But he has fun hair. You don't want the guy with fun hair to die, do you?
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 04:00 |
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More fun than Mondo?!
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Yeah, I doubt Byakuya's the killer. - Byakuya is not an idiot - Byakuya knows Naegi is not an idiot - Byakuya is the only student confirmed to know Syo's MO at the time Chihiro was killed. So, why in the gently caress would Byakuya purposefully tell Naegi about this fact? The only reason I can think of is that he's purposefully making Naegi suspect him, while keeping some actual evidence from Naegi so that good ol' Byakuya can be the hero in the trial. Because he's just vain like that? I dunno, but Byakuya being the killer now just seems like the kind of blazing in-your-face solution that would only make sense if you assume everybody except the human playing the game is a moron. P.S. drat it I just noticed that Naegi's the surname and not the given name. Oh well; I've gotten too used to calling him that by now.
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Bocc Kob posted:More fun than Mondo?! No, not more fun than Mondo. But it's still fun and big! I used to have big, fun hair
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Time Traveler posted:I dunno, but Byakuya being the killer now just seems like the kind of blazing in-your-face solution that would only make sense if you assume everybody except the human playing the game is a moron. Sounds like something an idiot would do. Which he very well could be.
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Time Traveler posted:- Byakuya knows Naegi is not an idiot That contradicts how he's been treating Naegi the entire time. He seems pretty convinced Kirigiri was the driving force behind the logic tag team to me, so maybe he's trying to prevent Naegi from playing off of her to finger the right suspect.
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My primary question at this point is who might have been in the library records room besides Togami. Surely he wasn't there 24 hours a day (he at least had to sleep in his room), so everyone else presumably had free access to the records at some point, even the information about Genocider Syo that he seems to think is completely confidential. The Syo file makes me even more inclined to think that this is a copycat crime. While the message and the crucifixion are there, the rest of the MO is completely wrong; it looks like Chihiro was killed opportunistically (clubbed over the head with a handy blunt instrument) and then crucified, and while it's possible Syo didn't have his/her regular scissors to hand, I presume s/he'd try to follow the pattern and maintain the "bind and then slowly kill with small edged weapon" method even without them. When you add that to the fact that Syo's killing profile appears to be young men, this really just doesn't look like a genuine Syo crime. My leading theory at this point is that Fukawa is in fact Genocider Syo (probably with fiction-style DID) but didn't kill Chihiro; she freaked out when she saw the body because she assumed she killed her, is now hiding in her room to protect the others from the homicidal alter ego she assumes is running rampant, and may eventually confess, but Naegi is going to have to prove that it's a copycat crime and find the real killer (maybe Togami, maybe not -- like I said, anyone could have theoretically found the records, and for all we know the crucifixion thing isn't as much of a secret as Togami thinks). The interesting part will be if/when the rest of the student body has to live with a confessed serial killer in their midst afterwards...
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| # ? Jan 14, 2012 04:13 |
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I am not fingering anyone for the killer yet, but I am loving angry that Naegi wussed out on reading any of those secret world-manipulating people files.
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booksnake posted:I am not fingering anyone for the killer yet, but I am loving angry that Naegi wussed out on reading any of those secret world-manipulating people files. It bothers me a little that he allows Togami to walk all over him in general. I know he's supposed to be the quiet, 'average' protagonist, but he really lacks a spine. Even in his thoughts he's completely subservient. Then there's the rest of the characters. At least Naegi has an excuse, it's just his personality, but why isn't someone like Mondo telling Togami to shut the gently caress up or punching him in the face? Oh right, it's a video game and we're supposed to be getting exasperated with Rich Heir. Still.
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