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orenronen posted:(More than 80 new replies since I went to bed last night? Jeez.) It means you're doing a good job, pat yourself on the back!
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Dooky Dingo posted:2nd: Why is no one considering the goth-loli? This girl has said on multiple occassions that "you have to adapt to this world" and stuff like that. She has shown the most flexibility in conforming to the rules of the game, wouldn't it make the most sense for her to be the first killer? Also, she seems the most calm and collected besides the detective chick to go around behind herself and clean up all the evidence. Everyone else is too impetuous. This is why I discounted her as a suspect, really. She's the gambler, so of course she's calm and collected--poker face. Doesn't mean anything one way or the other. The kicker is that she's seemed to suspect that there's always extra rules to trip up the students. Knowing that, I get the impression she'd let someone else try first. She might be a killer later, or not, but I don't think she's going to be the first to try to adapt without knowing what to adapt to. You do have a good point about the killer being careful enough to clean up the place being a good element to rule out some suspicions. If I look at it like that, my options look like... Hall Monitor, Mystery Girl, and Gambler. And of that list, Hall Monitor is the one who stands out.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2011 06:15 |
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orenronen posted:Yeah, blame that on my translation skills. The Japanese does seem to mimic the style of autopsy reports (not that I've ever seen a Japanese autopsy report, mind you), and since the closest I got to one in English is a couple seasons of ER, I'm just not good at mimicing the style. Not that anything on American television is probably a good indicator of actual crime/medical drama but I got what Monobear(you) were trying to say but maybe with a slightly easier to understand twist like they do on shows like CSI and Law and Order. Saying someone got stabbed in the stomach is a lot easier to picture in your mind than a puncture wound to the abdomen. I don't mind if you use the simpler terms (it actually fits with Monobear's character to not take this stuff that seriously and to provide reports to the kids that they can read). So you can just say "slash" rather than "laceration" or "bruise" rather than "contusion" and so on. Unless there's actually a point about the kids not understanding what a report is saying, then feel free to use some complex medical jargon. Edit: Also I think the 80 replies is a sign that a huge draw of this thread is the back and forth of us going over the evidence and taking wild leaps at guessing who's going to die/who's going to kill. We're all putting ourselves in the situation and trying to be detectives too, it's a lot of fun. We spend the time between updates making our guesses (maybe with some debate, like I assume the trial is going to be like) and then your update comes and we find out if we were right or not. Good thread. Belzac fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 06:41 |
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Wow, I thought I was more than one update behind. Anyway I don't have a lot of complex reasoning at this time but I really think whatever-his-name-is, the Heir is the killer. I just think he's acting realllllllllly suspiciously.
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SUPER HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL SPECULATION: The Gambler is not the killer. She knows how to play high stakes games (involving entire fortunes) and the first, unwritten rule of gambling is never play until you know all the rules. She's the first one to notice the vagueness of "graduation" and is therefore more than willing to wait for further information before making a move. That's why she suggested the "Don't go outside at night" rule: not for other's safety, but for her own until she could find all the rules for the game. She's also the first one to read the Monobear file: while this could mean that she's pointing out her scapegoat first, why would she bother? She was just told there's a time limit for gathering evidence, and as the student best able to adapt, she'd instead not say anything: her "opponents" in the game are going to find out soon enough that the Idol was killed in Naegi (Luck's) room, why point that out early and give them time to realize its a set-up? The Gambler did not kill the Idol. Edit: After looking over my guesses, it occurs to me that I only pinpointed like, 2 people as killers which is not enough to get through the game (unless one person kills multiple people to eliminate witnesses), so I'm going to go ahead and say the Gambler kills someone, but not this time! The Wrestler, Hacker, Swimmer, Writer, and Fortune Tellers are not the killer. The Wrestler wouldn't need a knife with which to murder the Idol, nor the sword to overpower her. The Hacker, Swimmer, and Writer would need the knife, however if the Idol got the jump on them it is unlikely that they'd escape. Since we generally believe that the Idol had the knife, it's unlikely that the Wrestler, Hacker, Swimmer, or Fortune Teller were the killer. In fact, the Wrestler will be killed (with a weapon obviously, likely backstabbed),the Hacker will live (saved by her young age), the Swimmer will die (snuffed) and the Fortune Teller will die (easy target). The Writer will attempt murder. The Heir is not the killer, and will live, because in reality shows the jerk rear end in a top hat who everyone hates always stays forever. The Baseball Bro is not the killer this time, but he will, once there are fewer people (and thus fewer people to justify damning to death) left, attempt to kill someone. He definitely wants to get out, but not bad enough to kill...yet. He has to fester a bit more. The Goon might have done it: he'd be the easiest for the Idol to lure into her (Luck's) room, and he'd be an easy target for her to do the whole "seduce into embracing then stab the gently caress out of him" trick. He might have seen the knife when she pulled it out and used his bulk to overpower her. If he's not the killer now, he will live forever because he's annoying, creepy, and I hate him. The Model is who I most suspect. In fact, I'm willing to go so far as to say she tried to "strike a deal" with Monobear: her last words make it seem like she's been betrayed, and Monobear seems like exactly the type to make a shady deal, then totally gently caress over whoever her made the deal with both so he gets an excuse to kill somebody and can lord over how "morally superior" he is by punishing the dealer. The Model might have have offered Monobear money or something in exchance for a tip or warning about the Idol: he can appear anywhere, anytime, and knows how to open the shower door: who's to say he didn't open it FOR the Model so that the Idol couldn't escape safely into the shower and live, thus ruining his game? If I'm getting all meta, the Model being the killer also fits well with the "Free Time" mechanic: if anyone else is, once they're "punished" (killed, presumably) you potentially miss out on 2 whole characters' backstory, as opposed to just 1 if she's the killer. ALSO: why isn't anyone but ??? investigating the crime scene? Where IS everyone else? Also also, who was that dude that Monobear killed in the opening video? It looked awfully like the high school in the background of the little rocket launch! holy poo poo thats a lot of words Gothy McAngstydie fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 07:00 |
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Gothy McAngstydie posted:
Kirigiri (???) suggested they all split up and look for evidence and that at this point, it's everyone for themselves. Kirigiri posted:
I'd guess she figures that if they research as a group the killer will be able to interfere with their investigation and produce/destroy/marginalize evidence. If they all come to their own conclusion and then debate at the end there will be less of chance of the killer messing with people. That and it seems about half the students don't care (Sakura, Mondo, Yasuhiro, Chihiro, and Touko) and will just go with whatever the group agrees on in the end. As for where the others are...who knows? Maybe they went to go get food or are looking at other things.
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Gothy McAngstydie posted:Also also, who was that dude that Monobear killed in the opening video? It looked awfully like the high school in the background of the little rocket launch! You know, I was wondering why no one was speculating about that.
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That... makes the situation even darker. What if these kids are just the ones left alive for the "test?" The others were just disposed of unceremoniously.
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, that's why.
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I understand if you can't say but please tell me you get the Buddha 2d Enlightenment ability from spending time with doujin guy, nothing else would make sense, and it would be so useful in a 2d world.
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orenronen posted:You know, I was wondering why no one was speculating about that. In retrospect, The Space Journey just shows Monobear inventively killing someone. And, well Monobear LOVES to kill people in inventive ways. So that just leaves questions: who was that, and why was monobear killing him? Well, it wasn't anyone we've met so far (going with Hairstyle as the distinguishing feature of most characters). And there's LOTS of reasons monobear might kill someone. But the video seems so disconnected from everything else we've seen, we don't really have any strands to speculate on. I mean, I can pull some random things out of thin air: 1) Someone from the "real" school. This shows Monobear while he's killing someone who was in the school before, as part of taking over the place for his dispair game. 2) This is what "graduation" is. But with nothing to go on, I have a feeling we won't be able to REALLY speculate on that video for a little while.
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orenronen posted:You know, I was wondering why no one was speculating about that. It might have been because the video was really easy to miss. 
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T.G. Xarbala posted:That... makes the situation even darker. What if these kids are just the ones left alive for the "test?" The others were just disposed of unceremoniously. I like to think that the rocketship trip is what "graduation" really means. It does leave the school, after all. e: Whoops, Ditocoaf said it first!
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Runaway Bro posted:I like to think that the rocketship trip is what "graduation" really means. On the other hand, that might be "punishment" for if the murderer is found out and convicted. Hell of a way to go.
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With that Gungnir spear thing he had going, Monobear strikes me as the type to have tons of really weird and unique ways to kill people. Like the rocket ship is just one of the many ways he could kill you.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2011 10:52 |
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I have a hunch that death is personalized for everyone during execution. Like drowning Aoi or throwing baseballs at Baseball Bro until he dies. Although by that method I don't know how do you kill Naegi. Crush him with a piano from the sky? CremePudding fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 13:11 |
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Ditocoaf posted:2) This is what "graduation" is. My gut has been telling me this is the case ever since I first heard monobear mention 'graduation'. I get the feeling that this, or something similar, happened before, which is why the school is empty. Monobear killed off or 'graduated' all the previous students shortly before these guys turned up. Probably not the case, but I don't trust that bear; I wouldn't put an impromptu space voyage past him.
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I had completely missed that video! Whatever happens it looks like graduation will be a unique experience for the survivor.
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CremePudding posted:Although by that method I don't know how do you kill Naegi. Obviously, you just fade to black and put up a game over screen. Nobody actually sees his death because it is tied to the universe's existence. Then time reverses itself because wait no that's not how it happened let me start over. edit: Alternatively, let me use this analogy: Imagine Sillyman fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 15:46 |
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I had completely missed that video! Whatever happens it looks like graduation will be a unique experience for the survivor. So apparently some people really do not notice the video links. Should I mark them differently? What else can I do other than the current scheme of a caption link under the still?
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orenronen posted:So apparently some people really do not notice the video links. Should I mark them differently? What else can I do other than the current scheme of a caption link under the still? Maybe sirens or something for the video links? Also if you make the appropriate picture clickable as well, that might help. I always try mousing over images to make sure there aren't any video links embedded that way. And boy oh boy I can't wait to see how the game actually plays. I'm all aflutter for some (metaphorical) shootouts. 
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Space them out a bit more from the still(the one for the OP is right below a still without any space between them, which makes it easier to miss), and maybe put Video: in front of them? Worst case scenario,  s work too.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2011 15:52 |
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Okay, direct your attention to the first update. Does that look okay? The still itself is now also linked and there are movie icons around the caption.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2011 15:59 |
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orenronen posted:Okay, direct your attention to the first update. Does that look okay? The still itself is now also linked and there are movie icons around the caption. That's loads more visible, thank you!
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| # ? Nov 27, 2011 16:51 |
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You are the best evil bear robot! I can easily see the video links now.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2011 17:38 |
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This LP is kickin rad dude really good job! Updates are like crack to me!! Hope you throw us a new one soon.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2011 17:52 |
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You know, I'm going to take a stab in the dark, but I'm going to say that was the real headmaster. Monobear was originally designed to be a robotic mascot. This whole thing happened as a result of a Super High-School Level gently caress-up.
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Kgummy posted:You know, I'm going to take a stab in the dark, but I'm going to say that was the real headmaster. Monobear was originally designed to be a robotic mascot. This whole thing happened as a result of a Super High-School Level gently caress-up. Hmmm, that isn't a bad stab. Sounds reasonable.
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Finally caught up with this thread. One thought: The Heir's (Togami) statements have been inconsistent. During the post-murder meeting, he raised the question of whether the culprit would go free, and acted surprised that the culprit must not let other people find out who did it. "If one of us really is the killer, will that person now graduate the school...?" Except that in the original discussion of the rules, he personally observed that http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...4#post397517469 "...it probably means if you want to graduate, you must kill without anyone finding out." The other person that took part in this conversation is Maizono. And literature girl, but she was freaking out. I like PhysicsFrenzy's explanation. My hypothesis is that Maizono and Togami both grasped the implications of 'murdering without anyone finding out', and both realised that the examination of the *second clause* of the rule meant that the other was considering the technicalities of carrying out the murder. Therefore each would consider the other as key candidates as victims. Maizono gained access to our hero's room. She sought to murder Togami, thinking she can pin it on Naegi, given that if the victim is found locked in the bathroom (which only Naegi knows how to open), then Naegi would be the prime suspect. And Naegi can be expect to cover for Maizono. However her intended victim in turn killed her instead. Additional evidence for Togami is the hair thing - removing of the hair means the hair is strong evidence, and that would be only the case if the person has an unique hair colour and length. That narrows down the field substantially. The slashes and scratches seem artificial. Someone wanted to make it seem like there was a more substantial fight than there was. EDIT: Anyway everything about this murder suggests a cool coldness to it, to be able to recover one's wits after Maizono tries to kill you, and clear up the evidence, and then return to your room. Togami's got that feel, plus the distinctive hair colour, plus the understanding of the rules that he's trying to hide, plus the 'honourable rich boy' appearance that might make Maizono think she can trick him. I think it's him. Fangz fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 19:42 |
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CremePudding posted:I have a hunch that death is personalized for everyone during execution. To answer that question, you would need some way of comparing or quantifying the genericness of a murder. Whatever is the most boring, ordinary way of killing someone is how to kill Makoto. Although maybe he's so bland that he's actually resistant to it, and you have to do it in the most extraordinary way possible.
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You murder Makoto Naegi with old age.
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You don't murder Naegi. You leave him there alone. Forever.
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Well, everyone's hair is pretty different in colouration and length... I think to get something from that particular clue, you'd have to look at why someone -noticed- they lost hair and did something about it. Why remove hair? Because you noticed you lost some in the fight. How do you lose hair in a fight? It gets tugged on, or cut by a sharp knife. What kind of hair is most likely to get tugged on or cut in fights? Long hair! The kind that gets in the way! It's only a hypothesis, but it should narrow down the field. So... who has long hair among the students? Junko Enoshima - The Fashion Girl Celestia Ludenberg - The Gambler Yasuhiro Hagakure - The Fortune Teller Kyouko Kirigiri - The ??? Touko Fukawa - The Author Sakura Oogami - The Wrestler Out of these, I'm gonna go with Junko being the killer, due to the clumsy nature of the murder (it took a while to kill Maizono, indicating that both victim and killer weren't very experienced at fighting, or had a solid one-shot, one-kill plan in mind other than 'murder Mai', automatically excluding Kirigiri, Ludenberg and Oogami). Honestly, it sort of makes sense, considering her stunned reaction to being killed, and her unwillingness to participate in the school trial. Might also be why she thought she could step on monobear with impunity, and why she seemed so surprised she was killed, since she'd already done what it had asked. I also like the theory that Maizono was trying to kill someone else (enough things point in this direction that it might or might not be true), but got the tables turned on her. For example, notice how she said "I will not open it even to you, Naegi-kun. If I do, there wouldn’t be any meaning to exchanging the rooms." in response to Naegi? If you read that right, she is commenting that opening the door to -him- would be pointless, since if she murdered him in his own room, people would have good reason to suspect her. She needed to rope in someone else for the 'murder someone in Naegi's room' plan to work. Whether or not this is true, though, I find it likely that Maizano started out with the kitchen knife (she was looking for one, after all, 'for defense'), and that her 'guest' (who she must have let in voluntarily, for whatever reason) used the at-hand golden sword and sheath to block her attacks (scratches on sheath) and disarm her (flaked-off gold on sword). Also, this is important: notice how Maizano's RIGHT hand was broken? A hard enough SMACK with even a blunt practice sword could take out a dainty girly wrist... allowing the other party to pick up the much more lethal knife. If Maizano was the one using the golden sword to fend off her attacker, surely her wrist wouldn't have ended up broken, but cut! Mmm. Anyway, to sum up: Junko Enoshima, in Naegi's room, with Maizono's knife, possibly in righteous self-defense/pressing the advantage after having been invited in and attacked by Maizono.
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Junko has no reason to accept an invitation from Maizono, however. It would in fact appear downright weird for Maizono to appear in the middle of the night and ask for her to come to Naegi's room. If the turnaround theory is correct it needs to be someone that: Maizono thinks she can beat, possibly with element of surprise. (Remember, she's stronger than she looks.) Someone with enough confidence in their abilities to not be likely to involve anyone else. Someone with enough chivalry or prior trust with her to not just ignore her. Someone who dislikes Naegi enough or at least had enough of contact with him to make a fight between him and Naegi plausible. So I think it's more likely to be a male culprit. Or our mysterious level ??? - though I think that unlikely. Also if it was long hair, since long hair would be easy to pick out on its own, I don't think the roller would be needed. I think Togami is most likely, though the delinquent is also possible. Fangz fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 21:58 |
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Kgummy posted:You know, I'm going to take a stab in the dark, but I'm going to say that was the real headmaster. Monobear was originally designed to be a robotic mascot. This whole thing happened as a result of a Super High-School Level gently caress-up. I agree with this. The man Monobear kills is too old to be a Super High School Student getting "rewarded" with graduation, he has to be faculty. We know, after all, that the Super High School was not always a crazy murderhole, and unless this is an entirely new place that just happens to be exactly like the old high school in every way, that means that Monobear would have to eliminate the faculty. Monobear is definitely being "controlled" or programmed or whatever by someone/something else though, that or he has some kind of hive-mind thing going on. BUT WHO?!?!??!? ...actually come to think of it, the Hacker would totally have the knowledge necessary to "hijack" the mascot's programming and orchestrate this whole deal...
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Gothy McAngstydie posted:I agree with this. The man Monobear kills is too old to be a Super High School Student getting "rewarded" with graduation Unless this ends up taking a few years to conclude. Maybe the execution of the first murderer is gruesome enough to have a cooling effect on any ambitions that the remaining students might have, and everyone lives in peace for a year, then there's another murder, trial, execution, timeskip, etc. until ten years down the line its only Naegi and one other person left. Naegi (having grown increasingly cynical and cold-hearted) finally gives in to Monobear's demands and kills his fellow student, then "graduates." BAD END Keeshhound fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 22:44 |
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Naegi then takes up a career in the retail sector, rising eventually to the level of middle manager. The end. EDIT: Oh poo poo one more realisation: with that attack, the killer surely got blood on himself. But there's no water in the rooms at night, so the killer would have to be late to the breakfast meeting to wash the blood off. Togami was the only one who was late. It's Togami. Fangz fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 22:59 |
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Mind if I make a suggestion, orenronen? It's only a small thing, but do you think you could include the links to the music that has been posted so far in the second post? I'd quite like to have them in one place, because I really really like some of them. 
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Fangz posted:Naegi then takes up a career in the retail sector, rising eventually to the level of middle manager. The end. To be fair, though, he was just the latest. Like, three quarters of the group was "late". NGL, he's acting really, really suspicious and I like him for this one though.
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Fangz posted:Naegi then takes up a career in the retail sector, rising eventually to the level of middle manager. The end. Actually he comes in and the first thing he asks is "What's wrong, did something happen?" no one at all mentioned something bad happening when he walked in, it was the first thing he said. Also exhibit b: the lp posted:
Look at how smug the little gently caress is.
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| # ? Nov 27, 2011 23:26 |
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Should I have? I just came here from my room right now.
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Mr. Sunabouzu posted:Actually he comes in and the first thing he asks is "What's wrong, did something happen?" no one at all mentioned something bad happening when he walked in, it was the first thing he said. You're taking that a bit out of context: right before Togami shows up Ishimaru and Asahina comment that he and Maizano haven't shown up; he might have been reacting to them appearing concerned when he came in. Edit: Besides, aside from the very beginning, Togami's been a smug fucker in drat near every conversation he's had. If he was unusually smug then it might be suspicious, but its really just business as usual for him. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 23:58 |
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