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Benly
Aug 2, 2011

20% of the time, it works every time.


Bocc Kob posted:

I wonder why Sakura is even there when she would seem excessively difficult to murder. I don't think they have access to anything that could poison someone. Unless someone is smart enough to trick her into fighting Monobear or something, I don't know how they'd do it. She doesn't seem the sort to give in to despair either, so why is Sakura in the game when there was presumably a whole school of Super High-School Level people to choose from?

It gets a lot easier when there's someone she's willing to go to sleep in the same room with. Particularly someone who, despite her slim character design, is a world-class athlete in a sport that builds pretty good full-body strength.

Plus I'd be a little surprised if neither the kitchen nor cleaning duty had access to something nasty to put in someone's food.

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Phlogistic
Oct 22, 2007



Poison would be too easy. You could just poison part of the food supply while you're in there normally and someone would eventually die by your hand. It's an overpowered murder method since you shouldn't care who you murder as long as someone dies. Depending on how long passes, the trial could end up being just wild guessing. If I were Monobear, I wouldn't leave any poisons around.

Dragonatrix
Aug 16, 2009

You have offended STRINGIE! You must be punished!


The issue I have with the poison thing is that it's both too difficult to pull off and yet too easy at the same time. You'd have to time it pretty well, but you'd also have to hope that Monobear doesn't screw you over which he very easily might. Whoever is on cleaning duty is going to have the easiest access to the stuff, for obvious reasons, but that also makes it very obvious who the killer is. Thus the clear solution there is to poison food on your last day, make sure no one eats it until the next day (which you can't guarantee unless you do it just before Night Time) and then hope that when Monobear has the fridge restocked, the stuff you poisoned doesn't get swapped out for whatever reason; knowing Monobear he very easily could, just so that the person who added, like, bleach or whatever to the food gets surprised by someone not dying. This in turn would be pretty obvious, maybe unless it was the Gambler, to at least someone and could give that observer a good decoy themselves since suspicion would immediately fall onto the person who failed. If you succeed, you have the perfect scapegoat to get away with it but it's still a pretty big risk.

I expect the Gambler chick to try this at some point as a result of that.

(tl;dr: poisoning would be easy if you were on cleaning duty but it could be a pretty high risk/high reward kinda thing)

enuma elish
Apr 15, 2008


Dragonatrix posted:

I expect the Gambler chick to try this at some point as a result of that.

(tl;dr: poisoning would be easy if you were on cleaning duty but it could be a pretty high risk/high reward kinda thing)

You could conceivably swipe some bleach while on cleaning duty, wait a week, then add that to someone's food. Or everyone's food, just to be safe. I mean, anyone who's trying to graduate has to be willing to kill everyone, so they might as well just do it themselves.

What would Monobear do if that happened, anyway? Would that be an acceptable way to graduate?

Bocc Kob
Oct 26, 2010


Enough bleach to kill a person would be noticed immediately by the taste, as would any cleaning solution I expect. I know, I've eaten at Red Lobster.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHnMDGIbFkc

If they are old enough to drink wine, some methanol would work.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

Why aren't the LP threads making what I want to read RIGHT NOW?!


I was hoping that poisons would come into play because otherwise all the girls have got a really crappy deal on their murder weapons. Small sharp pins are pretty much only deadly when they have poison on the end of them, even if you're a genius acipuncturist. A screwdriver and a hammer are much easier.

Actually, that would make it more likely that Maizono stole the knife - Boys don't really need to steal weapons, girls do.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

For I am your incredibly strong elf chapter master!

Bocc Kob posted:

I wonder why Sakura is even there when she would seem excessively difficult to murder.
I volunteered at a prison for a summer and asked why a local MMA heavyweight was cordoned off for this same reason. Basic answer is that straight up the martial artist can beat the poo poo out of anyone but even they've got to sleep, and at that point every psycho in the joint is looking to shiv the celebrity for street cred. Murder is a hunting mentality. When you're hunting, you don't tend to strike when your target's awake, fed, and watching you. You tend to strike when they're sleeping, sick, distracted, confused, etc. Something as simple as a filed down toothbrush is an awesome equalizer if you stab it right into someone's spine. I'm sure you could find something more dangerous in their school.

Coolguye fucked around with this message at Dec 8, 2011 around 22:36

Radmick
Oct 23, 2010

Stylistic Suck


Why does Japan hate its nerds so much? It seems like whenever one is mention they're turned into pathetic, ogre-like monsters.

Stop making bloated man-monsters Japan. It's creepy.

Bocc Kob
Oct 26, 2010


Radmick posted:

Why does Japan hate its nerds so much? It seems like whenever one is mention they're turned into pathetic, ogre-like monsters.

Stop making bloated man-monsters Japan. It's creepy.



Moe~

Zereth
Jul 8, 2003

Would you think I was playing if I did...
THIS!


Bocc Kob posted:



Moe~
Have you played No More Heroes 1? Just becuase he's skinny and a murder machine doesn't mean he's not still a creepy loser.

Admittedly he isn't a horrible blob monster, yes.

Opposing Farce
Apr 1, 2010

^^^^^^
I'm not manly enough for this


Zereth posted:

Have you played No More Heroes 1? Just becuase he's skinny and a murder machine doesn't mean he's not still a creepy loser.

I'm pretty sure they knew that (hence moe~).

Beaumains
Aug 8, 2007
HURFDURF scary stories are dumb, I'm so cool i lack even the rudimentary analytical abilities to decipher basic themes and archetypes, anything without fast cars and explosions is for babbies, heh im so goddamn tough and grown up

Sakura's just there to play with our expectations. We probably won't see it coming at all when we're down to just weak little shitheads and then one of them actually manages to off Sakura in some vile way. On the other hand, she may wind up being our most challenging killer, since she knows more about death than any other character except possibly Monobear. Plus, she's so stoic she'll never give off any behavioral or verbal clues.

Serious Frolicking
Jul 1, 2007
Awkward phrasing, for the most part.


Even if someone used poison, Monobear provides an autopsy report. It is in its best interest that any poison would be traceable, because it wants the game to go on. That's what all the rules and facilities are there for- to make certain that no one can commit a perfect crime.

Horrible Smutbeast
Sep 2, 2011


Beaumains posted:

Sakura's just there to play with our expectations. We probably won't see it coming at all when we're down to just weak little shitheads and then one of them actually manages to off Sakura in some vile way. On the other hand, she may wind up being our most challenging killer, since she knows more about death than any other character except possibly Monobear. Plus, she's so stoic she'll never give off any behavioral or verbal clues.

I honestly would put money down on Sakura never being a murderer or a victim. You would think that she would be involved in some way because of her sheer physical strength, but that's not including the attitude she has. She speaks in a very proper and old style as well as wanting to defeat someone in honourable combat as her goal in life. Not only that but so far she's even stayed in another student's room to help comfort them and didn't take advantage of that.

Really I think Sakura is going to be played out exactly like a noble samurai type of character.

MoonwalkInvincible
Nov 30, 2011



The Gambler, on the other hand, I think it going to defy (some) expectations by never killing anybody. Someone doesn't become a master gambler by taking risks and having them pay off, they do it by knowing the risks and always being calculating in their actions. While this still makes her sound like a potential murderer within the story, I think she's going to be one of the ones that surprises us by being unwilling to play the odds against the group trial, especially after the trial successfully outs another killer or two.

Also she's given a lot of goth girl imagery and has acted generally pretty suspicious and at ease with the whole situation, which makes me think she's one of the ones the developers are going to deliberately defy expectations with.

Benly
Aug 2, 2011

20% of the time, it works every time.


Horrible Smutbeast posted:

Really I think Sakura is going to be played out exactly like a noble samurai type of character.

Which is exactly why she's a fantastic candidate for getting shanked in her sleep.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004



Benly posted:

Which is exactly why she's a fantastic candidate for getting shanked in her sleep.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Sakura is going to end up dead at some point simply because she's such an imposing target. It'll probably look as if she got taken down in a stand up fight (which she won't have been) for a proper mind boggle by all concerned.

orenronen
Nov 7, 2008

I'd better warn you. I have no compassion, sympathy or pity. That's because I'm a bear.




Ma...maizono-san...?



I...if that’s the case, the person who stole the knife was...!



Sayaka Maizono / Monobear / Aoi Asahina

You get quick multiple-choice selections at some points during the trial. There's a time limit on answering them, but as you can see it's a pretty generous full minute. Choosing wrong lowers your damage meter.





So, it was Maizno-san who... took the knife?



There is no other possibility... In fact, now that I reflect upon it, she did act somewhat peculiar...
As soon as she came into the cafeteria, she proceeded straight into the kitchen without even greeting us.
She said she was just getting a cup of water but... undoubtedly, at that time...



In short, the one who took the knife was the victim herself, Maizono-kun!



I’m sure... she just wanted it for self defense...



That means the culprit managed to snatch the knife away from her, and then killed her with it.
In that case, the fact you didn’t steal the knife yourself doesn’t clear any suspicion regarding you.





Eh...!?



S...see? I told you...! Naegi-kun is the culprit after all...!!



No, you’ve got it wrong...!



So you thought to steer the conversation away and lead us on a fool’s chase!?
That sure if a high-level skill to have!



T...that’s bad! If things go on this way, I’m going to be voted the culprit...!
Why doesn’t... anyone understand?

If I’m voted the culprit... everyone is going to be killed...!






...wait. Isn’t it still early to decide Naegi-kun is the killer...?
The culprit of this case did something the owner of the room would never do.
As long as we don’t explain this mysterious action, we can’t point the blame at anyone, can we?



Something the owner would never do? What the gently caress is that!?



There weren’t any traces in the crime scene of something that naturally belongs there...



Naegi-kun, you know what I’m talking about, don’t you?

Tutorial posted:

As the School Trial progresses, Flashing Anagram phases sometimes occur.
In those phases, it is your mission to complete an important keyword relating to the case.
Deduct the required keyword from the flying letters and the hint letters...
...and then shoot down the flying letters in the correct order to complete the keyword.
Use the analog pad to move the target around, and the circle button to shoot down letters.
If you shoot a wrong letter, your Expression Meter will receive damage. If your Expression Meter or the clock go down to zero, you will fail the phase.



Something... that naturally belongs in the crime scene but wasn't there... I feel like that word...



...is flashing in my mind...

The Flashing Anagram is the second of the four types of minigames we get during the trial, and probably also the lamest. Just as the tutorial says, we get to discover and then fill in the blanks in a keyword related to the case by shooting flying letters. The letters actually have to be shot twice - once to lock them in and then to drop them into the puzzle.
Also, I don't think the designers know what an anagram is.


Phase 4 (Youtube via Polsy)



FLASHING ANAGRAM START



__ __ I __





H A I R



That's it!









That’s it! We couldn’t find a single strand of hair in my room!



Is that... because the culprit was destroying evidence...?



But, you see, if I were the culprit...
Why would I need to do such a thorough cleanup of my own room?



I mean, if someone found some hair of mine in my own room, there wouldn’t be anything strange about it, would there?



Maybe you cleaned up to erase traces of Maizono-san visiting your room...
...isn’t that also a possibility?



If he wanted to hide traces of her, I think getting rid of the body would be his first priority.



Mmmm... there is some truth to that...



So why wasn’t there any hair in that room?



The culprit cleaned the room up, of course. They wanted to erase any traces of being there.



...so that means!



That’s right. It doesn’t seem like our culprit is the room’s owner.



So... Naegi-kun isn’t the culprit...!?





But can we really decide such an important thing based merely on the lack of some hair!?



No, there is more evidence in support of Naegi-kun not being the culprit.



Let us hear it...



Try to remember the condition of the area around the shower room.
Maizono-san was first attacked in the main room and then escaped into the shower, wasn’t she?



The culprit chased her into the shower room, and then stabbed and killed her there.



I wonder if the culprit could enter the shower room that easily.



What do you mean...?



When they tried to enter the shower room, the culprit found themselves facing a problem.
There is strong evidence left in the room pointing to that fact. Naegi-kun, I’m sure you remember it.

The culprit faced a problem when they tried to enter the shower room... The evidence pointing to that is...

One more thing the game wants you to do during the trial is straight up choose the appropriate evidence from your Evidence Bullet list, Phoenix Wright style. In this game, though, you're on a timer so you can't take your time analyzing the evidence.



Evidence Bullet: Shower room door knob





The evidence pointing to the culprit’s problem... is the shower room’s door knob, isn’t it.



What’s wrong... with the door knob?



It was broken. The knob to on my shower's door...



See? The screws were taken out, and the knob was removed.



It’s true... But, why do that to the door knob...?



The culprit wanted to break the shower room’s lock, so they removed the door knob.
That’s more proof that Naegi-kun isn’t the culprit. It’s yet another action that’s unreasonable for the room’s owner to take...



You’re saying he wouldn't break the door in his own room?
But -- if he wanted to open it he had no choice!! How can you say it’s an unreasonable action!?



So... you still don’t understand. In that case...



Let’s go over the flow of events one more time. When we do that, I’m sure you’ll all understand...



The meaning of the “unreasonable action for the room’s owner” is hidden in the flow of events... What is it?

Tutorial posted:

Starting from this debate, the number of Weak Points will increase.
Even though you will presented with numerous Weak Points, only one is a lie or a contradiction... that is, there are also fake Weak Points.
Shooting fake Weak Points cannot win the argument, and they also harm your reputation and decrease your Expression Meter. If your Expression Meter empties, you will fail this phase, so be careful.

Phase 5 (Youtube via Polsy)





Bullet: Stuck shower door



The murder took place in Naegi-kun’s room.



Maizono-san was first attacked inside the room...



And then escaped into the shower.



The culprit chased her...



...and entered the shower room.



To do that, the culprit broke the door knob...



They had to because the door was locked.



When they were done, Maizono-san was cornered by the culprit...



And in the end, was stabbed with a kitchen knife...



N...Naegi-kun did all that, didn’t he!?



W...we've already established that, didn’t we...!!

It’s true that my shower’s door couldn’t be opened...

But... the true reason for that is...


Even with three Weak Points, the game is still going easy on us. We're not going to be tricked by Leon's first Weak Point, and shoot his second instead.



They had to because the door was locked.





YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG!







The reason my shower’s door couldn’t be opened wasn’t because of a lock.
I mean, aren’t the showers only locakable in the girls’ rooms?



Now that you mention it... that is indeed the case...



So... why couldn’t the door to Naegi-kun’s shower be opened...?



It’s because that door gets stuck...



Huh...? The door gets stuck?



The door to the shower in my room is bad, and gets stuck easily.
Monobear over there can testify to that.





Yes, it’s just like he says!!
But, see, the door to “Super High-school Level Good Luck” Naegi-kun is the only one that gets stuck...
Upupu...! That’s not good luck at all...!





The reason the door couldn’t be opened was because it was stuck...
But the culprit mistook that for a locked door. That’s why they went and broke the door knob.



But... why did the culprit thought that door was locked?
The fact that the doors to the showers in the boys’ rooms can’t be locked should be well known to all of us...



The reason the culprit mistook that door as locked was because they didn’t know something very important about the crime scene...



Something important about the crime scene...?
Something that the culprit didn’t know, and thus thought my shower’s door was locked?

That means, what the culprit didn’t know was...




That the crime scene was Maizono's room / That the crime scene was Naegi’s room





The culprit... probably didn’t know the crime scene was my room...



Huh!? A culprit that doesn’t even know where the crime scene is is unprecedented!



But it’s right.



Are you making fun of me?!



To put it more accurately...
What the culprit didn’t know was that Naegi-kun and Maizono-san exchanged their rooms...
That’s why the culprit made the mistake. He thought the room Maizono-san was in was her own...



And that’s why he thought the door to the shower was locked, and tried to break his way in...



Not even knowing it was a meaningless act. I see...



In the end, I don’t know if the culprit opened the door by brute force or through sheer luck, but...
Since they probably were in a state of confusion by then, they probably also did not realize why the door opened...



In any case, they acted in a roundabout way. Trying to break a lock that wasn’t even there...



Would I, a person who knows the reason the door doesn’t open, ever act that way...?



You have a point there...



So... the culprit is someone who didn’t know the rooms were exchanged...?



But... that doesn’t fit Naegi-kun at all...!



That’s what I said from the very beginning...



In that case, who the gently caress is the culprit!?



I’m sorry, but this is where I give up!



If we go on not deciding on the culprit like that, it’s all over...



Right, for the time being let’s take a majority vote!



Are you sure we can do it... “for the time being”?



The situation doesn’t look that good, ‘right? Really, someone should do something...



Doesn’t anyone have any more questions? Any trifling thing will do.



...Ah! I have a question!!



Oh, it's you...



Why do you look so disappointed?!



Asahina-kun, just say what’s on your mind!



Oh, right, right. You see...
I’m not clear on how the culprit entered Naegi-kun’s room in the first place.



I see... the method the culprit used to gain entry...



Maybe Maizono dropped the key somewhere, and the culprit picked it up...?



That would be too much of a happy coincidence...



So... they picked the lock?



No, the doors should all have an anti-picking mechanism installed!



Well then, I shall answer. The culprit used a much simpler way to enter the room.
That is, the culprit pretended to be a simple visitor, and Maizono-san let them enter the room herself!



No, that also can’t be...



Ho, you have no idea what you’re up against, matching wits against me!



So let’s hear it! What’s the reason you’re so sure of that?!

Evidence that Maizono-san wouldn’t invite anyone in...



Evidence Bullet: Exhanged keys

See the Evidence Bullet list in the second post to see that, indeed, the description for this Evidence Bullet includes the required information.





Maizono-san was scared wasn’t she? That’s the reason why she asked me to exchange rooms with her in the first place.



And you too... if anyone comes by don’t open the door.
I will not open it even to you, Naegi-kun. If I do, there wouldn’t be any meaning to exchanging the rooms.



...that’s what she said. I can’t believe she opened that door to anyone...



But what if her claims of being afraid... were a lie?

dubsteppin
Apr 15, 2011

Act like you know
*wommmmmp whirrrrrr*


Oh man. Looks like her inviting in the killer is turning out to be true. Ahhhh can't wait to see the end.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011



Ha! Mystery Girl lays down the facts.

Also, I love how Leon is always the one to be extra-confused by the room switch thing. He's still coming to terms with the fact that no, that wasn't Maizono's room last night.

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2011 around 13:08

Supeerme
Sep 13, 2010


Goddamn they are really out to get Naegei, Even outright ignoring evidence!


I think the culprit is Writer girl or Leon,They seems to be the most aggressive with their accusations.

Teddles
Sep 2, 2011


Supeerme posted:

Goddamn they are really out to get Naegei, Even outright ignoring evidence!


I think the culprit is Writer girl or Leon,They seems to be the most aggressive with their accusations.

There is one very obvious clue that says who the killer is. Look at the writing in blood again. Once you see that, and take into account other factors, it's fairly obvious what happened.

Cathulhu
Oct 12, 2011

The cuddlier and more pronounceable
eldritch horror.


I think writer girl just jumped on the lynching bandwagon, then took the driver's seat. Besides, we haven't found any proof that binds her to the crime at all.

Wild speculation: Idol chick invited someone to kill them, and then pass the blame onto Naegi. If she'd succeeded, she could've just denied the whole room change thing and Naegi would have to explain a dead body in his shower. Remember, out of the whole cast, she reacted the worst to the tapes.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHnMDGIbFkc

Man, Kirigiri is really saving our butt, isn't she?

Dragonatrix
Aug 16, 2009

You have offended STRINGIE! You must be punished!


I wouldn't say it's just her; she's in the best position having actually done some investigating of her own and figuring out who the killer was ages ago, but Asahina and Sakura are helping save Naegi as well insofar as they can. Even Monobear did so, but he probably didn't realise or think that that's what he did; I doubt that one's gonna happen often though, since it would take the fun out of it (in Monobear's view). Naegi was just lucky enough that Monobear was the only one who could confirm his door gets stuck, and that he actually did it.

Supeerme posted:

I think the culprit is Writer girl or Leon,They seems to be the most aggressive with their accusations.

Definitely Leon; that last Weak Point of his made it obvious. He couldn't think the door was locked if he wasn't there, and then there's...

Huh...? The door gets stuck?

Whilst it is natural to be surprised by that, Leon seems a bit more surprised than normal. I could be reading too much into it, but the pause and his general manner in the trial makes me doubt that. As for the Writer, she's been acting that way all game so far; nothing too unusual there.

At least now we've got to the one point everyone's been talking about for pages at last. Can't wait to see what the real method of entry was!

Dragonatrix fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2011 around 13:48

MoonwalkInvincible
Nov 30, 2011



Supeerme posted:

I think the culprit is Writer girl or Leon,They seems to be the most aggressive with their accusations.

Writer girl has been paranoid and accusatory and generally fairly hostile towards everyone so far. Unless she's been fostering a fake persona from the beginning, she's not got some special motive in this trial, that's just how she always is.

Leon, on the other hand, has been a cool bro who took everything more or less in stride, up until he freaked out about his video. His attempts to ignore evidence and deflect blame towards Naegi don't fit at all with his personality, so he's probably acting blatantly out of character because he's hiding something.

Plus, you know, the whole upside-down name in blood thing.

Luckyellow
Sep 25, 2007


Fangz posted:

Man, Kirigiri is really saving our butt, isn't she?

Well, she has to. If they vote the wrong person as the killer, everybody else dies, including Kirigiri herself.

Meis
Sep 2, 2011

Even if I decide to kill someone, I'll make sure it isn't you!

Luckyellow posted:

Well, she has to. If they vote the wrong person as the killer, everybody else dies, including Kirigiri herself.

Yeah. Apparently she's the only student who isn't a complete and utter moron. Seriously everyone'd be so dead if it wasn't for her. I dunno if Naegi would ever be able to solve the case on his own.

...It'll be interesting if she ever kills or is killed.

Teddles
Sep 2, 2011


Agree with Dragonatrix that it's Leon, though there is a piece of evidence more obvious than the door. I'm just gonna go ahead and post what I think happened.

After the switch, Maizono swaps round the nameplates on the two doors so Naegi's room appears to be hers. She then lures Leon into the room and attempts to kill him, but he defends himself with the samurai sword and breaks her wrist making her drop the knife. She hides in the bathroom, he can't work out why the door won't open and goes back to his room to get the tools, comes back and unscrews the doorknob, breaks down the door and kills her with the knife.

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010



Speculation follows.

I'm not sure what to think about the blood-writing. For the first trial, it's probably genuine, but if this were a few murders in, I'd be much more likely to assume the killer did it to blame someone else.

Also, while Maizono most likely did invite her killer in, intending for them to be a victim, I'm wondering if Leon was her intended target. I mean, out of all the kids, there're much better targets than a baseball player. He's fairly athletic, and while no Sakura, could be expected to defend himself.

But that poor, confused, out-of-his-depth boy with no special talents and maybe the beginnings of a crush? Well, if she came to him in the night, scared and in her nightclothes, just needing to be held for a little, he wouldn't notice the knife until it was too late. But what's this? He came to me? Oh, Naeg- Leon? You'll do.

Remember, for this first killing, they didn't know about the trial. Our killer probably thought all they had to do was lock themselves in their room after until Monobear escorted them out.

Teddles
Sep 2, 2011


Elfface posted:

Speculation follows.

I'm not sure what to think about the blood-writing. For the first trial, it's probably genuine, but if this were a few murders in, I'd be much more likely to assume the killer did it to blame someone else.

Also, while Maizono most likely did invite her killer in, intending for them to be a victim, I'm wondering if Leon was her intended target. I mean, out of all the kids, there're much better targets than a baseball player. He's fairly athletic, and while no Sakura, could be expected to defend himself.

But that poor, confused, out-of-his-depth boy with no special talents and maybe the beginnings of a crush? Well, if she came to him in the night, scared and in her nightclothes, just needing to be held for a little, he wouldn't notice the knife until it was too late. But what's this? He came to me? Oh, Naeg- Leon? You'll do.

Remember, for this first killing, they didn't know about the trial. Our killer probably thought all they had to do was lock themselves in their room after until Monobear escorted them out.

She would already be connected with the murder via the knife, so she'd need to create a more powerful connection with another suspect - hence commit the murder in Naegi's room. She didn't kill Naegi because you can't murder your scapegoat.

Dragonatrix
Aug 16, 2009

You have offended STRINGIE! You must be punished!


Teddles posted:

it's Leon, though there is a piece of evidence more obvious than the door.

Oh yeah, there's definitely a whole slew of the stuff at this point; that was just what I saw as him slipping up and practically confessing.

HenryEx
Mar 24, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...


Meis posted:

Yeah. Apparently she's the only student who isn't a complete and utter moron. Seriously everyone'd be so dead if it wasn't for her. I dunno if Naegi would ever be able to solve the case on his own.

...It'll be interesting if she ever kills or is killed.

... Oh. Something dawned on me now.

Kirigiri is gonna be victim #2 (or #3 if the game is generous) then. Training wheels off and all that. Next case is serious! The one who saved your butt last time is gone, now you gotta do it all on your own.

Bid her farewell, guys and girls. We hardly knew her.
Maybe we should get her skill via the next opportunities in free time.

Krysmphoenix
Jul 29, 2010

BAHAMUT.
Torch 'im.
I don't want to see
even ashes left.


Prediction: Maizono was ready to kill Naegi that morning. She liked him, but knew that the only way for her to survive and escape the school was for him to die, whether it was by her own hand or someone else's. So she put on an act to be scared so that she could kill Naegi in his own room where it would be impossible for anyone to know she did it. No one would assume Maizono because they had been fairly friendly to each other and who would kill their friends this early on?

This is why Maizono opened the door, thinking it was Naegi to check in on her now that it was morning (because she knew everyone was meeting in the cafeteria, and Naegi would come looking for her sooner or later) when instead it was her killer. The killer took the knife from her, she escaped into the shower, closed the door, the killer took out his toolkit (it's gotta be a guy, otherwise one of the other guys is going to testify giving his toolkit to one of the girls, basically showing who it is and that's too easy) and unscrewed the door and killed her.

I think the killer's Leon, but it's too early to say for certain. I'm curious what evidence everyone else has.

Orfeo
Nov 27, 2007

Ectobiology sure does involve a lot of button pushing.

Krysmphoenix posted:

Prediction: Maizono was ready to kill Naegi that morning. She liked him, but knew that the only way for her to survive and escape the school was for him to die, whether it was by her own hand or someone else's. So she put on an act to be scared so that she could kill Naegi in his own room where it would be impossible for anyone to know she did it. No one would assume Maizono because they had been fairly friendly to each other and who would kill their friends this early on?

This is why Maizono opened the door, thinking it was Naegi to check in on her now that it was morning (because she knew everyone was meeting in the cafeteria, and Naegi would come looking for her sooner or later) when instead it was her killer. The killer took the knife from her, she escaped into the shower, closed the door, the killer took out his toolkit (it's gotta be a guy, otherwise one of the other guys is going to testify giving his toolkit to one of the girls, basically showing who it is and that's too easy) and unscrewed the door and killed her.

I think the killer's Leon, but it's too early to say for certain. I'm curious what evidence everyone else has.

I don't think you're quite right, mostly because the murder occurred at 1:30 in the morning. My guess as to what happened is that she was going to go over to Naegi in her room to ask to be comforted before stab-stab-stab, but she saw Leon in the hallway and decided to improvise.

linall
Feb 1, 2007


Does no one remember Leon being all about his music career? He even says to Naegi that he wants to ask Maizono for tips on breaking into the business at some point. After the room switch I'm sure Maizono went to find Leon and went, "Sure I can help you with that. Come to my room later."

Then being a pure idol she couldn't go through with it or possibly just did a bad job of sneaking up on Leon and bam, he's killing her. When Leon finds out in the morning that it's Naegi's room he is surprised, but hopes it can work to his advantage.

e: It being 1:30 complicates it, but I'm thinking it could still work.

Abilifier
Apr 8, 2008


HenryEx posted:

... Oh. Something dawned on me now.

Kirigiri is gonna be victim #2 (or #3 if the game is generous) then. Training wheels off and all that. Next case is serious! The one who saved your butt last time is gone, now you gotta do it all on your own.

Bid her farewell, guys and girls. We hardly knew her.
Maybe we should get her skill via the next opportunities in free time.

We already have her skill, Observation I think? Unless she has a second skill that is. Actually this is even further proof that she's the next to die. Too bad, she was one of the few sane people in the group.

Bocc Kob
Oct 26, 2010


Abilifier posted:

We already have her skill, Observation I think? Unless she has a second skill that is. Actually this is even further proof that she's the next to die. Too bad, she was one of the few sane people in the group.

You could pick who you gave presents and got skills from though.

... Unless orenronen subtly guided the thread toward voting for Kirigiri because he knew she would be the next to go.

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Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.


linall posted:

Does no one remember Leon being all about his music career? He even says to Naegi that he wants to ask Maizono for tips on breaking into the business at some point. After the room switch I'm sure Maizono went to find Leon and went, "Sure I can help you with that. Come to my room later."

Then being a pure idol she couldn't go through with it or possibly just did a bad job of sneaking up on Leon and bam, he's killing her. When Leon finds out in the morning that it's Naegi's room he is surprised, but hopes it can work to his advantage.

e: It being 1:30 complicates it, but I'm thinking it could still work.

Well, the walls were marked up all crazy with the knife. I wonder if Leon did that after, or if Maizono actually did chase him around for a little while.

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