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Arbitrary Coin
Feb 17, 2012


Huh, I dunno is it's the gray-brushed style or something, but proto-Naegi on the right looks really, really feminine, even by anime standards in my opinion

I also bet on Togami being the note writer; he seems to be the type to have been trained in fancy, shmancy brush writing, and the lack of contact involved in sending someone a note instead of just talking to them fits him too

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Wandering Knitter
Feb 5, 2006


Arbitrary Coin posted:

Huh, I dunno is it's the gray-brushed style or something, but proto-Naegi on the right looks really, really feminine, even by anime standards in my opinion

It's the eyes, I think. They just made them a little smaller and said "Okay everyone! The main character's done!"

alcharagia
Apr 23, 2008

What.
Did you say.
To that horse.

So, does hanging out with Syo not give you a scene in this specific instance, or can you just not get any scenes ever by hanging out with Syo?

Kaasen
Jun 8, 2011

Have you ever seen
anything so wonderful
in your entire life?


orenronen posted:

Sure. Let's start with Naegi, since he got a bit of attention today in the thread.



orenronen is the best.

Wyvernil posted:

Of course, it's hard to say who'd have a motive to get Naegi out of the way.

This might not be a motive, but Naegi and Kirigiri are essentially doing all the work at the trials so getting rid of one or both of them seems like a smart idea for someone desperate enough to kill. Though assuming that Naegi actually does have luck on his side I probably wouldn't want to mess with him.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

alcharagia posted:

So, does hanging out with Syo not give you a scene in this specific instance, or can you just not get any scenes ever by hanging out with Syo?

I'm guessing you can get a bad end if you try and active a scene with Syo at a certain time.

Omniphile
Apr 5, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 10 days!


I think Ishida wrote the note. Stereotypical letters of challenge in delinquent manga are always written in brushwork.

BFC
Aug 17, 2011

I'm that guy that has fallen asleep on his keyboard twice during the megamahi;aof

Going to agree that Naegi is probably the only one to get a note.

You don't need a motive to kill the weakest student there.

Mikan
Sep 5, 2007



I'd think someone like Togami has motive to kill Naegi or Kirigiri, since they're the most likely to investigate and catch Togami when he decides it's time to kill. And he's stated he doesn't have a problem killing to get out of the school.

Still, I'm kinda hoping the whole thing with the note isn't a murder ambush

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

heh




Syo you do not punch people with scissors in your hands.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

Lord Fitzmoa
President Emuitus
Dead Birds Society


SatansBestBuddy posted:



Syo you do not punch people with scissors in your hands.

She does...

idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

You cannot grasp the true form of Coyote's trick!


I honestly expected talking with Syo to be more like this:

Oraculum Animi
Sep 13, 2007


Arbitrary Coin posted:

Huh, I dunno is it's the gray-brushed style or something, but proto-Naegi on the right looks really, really feminine, even by anime standards in my opinion

I thought the same thing but I couldn't tell why. I was thinking the eyes being more round and the narrowest part of his body being his waist and not his hips made him more feminine but his finished art isn't much different, maybe it's the anger in his face that makes it seem more masculine?

Anyway, the final look doesn't seem so Naegi, I prefer the confused and slightly startled look of his concept art. I think it fits with his interactions with his fellow capturees.

Also in re: to the caligraphy of the note, is it possible it's just the game's default handwriting regardless of the character?

doomfunk
Feb 29, 2008

oh come on was that really necessary
all over my fine carpet!!


Part of that femininity also comes in the interior curvature that Naegi's left side (our right) follows, and the suggestion of a bustline and hip from markmaking.

Pairing these with eye size and he looks like a tomboy, really. Honestly, I'd kind of rather a game where you play as the Kirigiri, but I do love Dangan-Ronpa so far as-is.

SuRoXT
Feb 13, 2012

YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG!


Yaaay Proto-Naegi looks generic as ever.
Also enjoying the boom in Naegi avatars.

Satanos
Feb 5, 2010



I just spent two days reading the entire thread, this game is incredible and I am so deeply disappointed that an English release isn't feasible. Chapter 2 was god drat heartbreaking.

A few of the twists I'm expecting are more "Super High-School Level _______" title revelations. Especially involving the fortune teller, given his ineptitude. I don't buy that that's his real one, probably SHSL Conman or something, which could suggest him as the mole. Kirigiri I'm just going with the safe assumptions of SHSL Detective or Assassin, but I'd put good money down that she'll be by Naegi's side when the final Trial takes place against The Mastermind.

As far as The Mastermind goes, I've been trying to pay attention to any offhand comments that might suggest their identity. I strongly doubt they're someone we've met before (not counting Monobear), but it doesn't really work as a mystery if there are no clues. That said, with what we've seen so far I'd say he might be the SHSL Physicist mentioned in the Physics Lab, but there's still plenty of time for his identity to be subtly namedropped elsewhere so it's unlikely.

Genocider Syo had better survive until the final chapter too, and if Togami ever pulls off a crime his punishment had better be Quality Time with her.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

what even the heck


If there's one thing that most v-novels have in common, it's that their endings (even more so than their beginnings and middles) tend to be deeply, deeply stupid. So I'm not really expecting the mastermind revelation to fit with any logic established in the story up until this point.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

That isn't always the case though, I can name one exception, and I have only played like 3 VNs. I predict the main bad thing about the ending is that out of all the characters, Naegi is probably going to be the only one that survives in the end.

IShallRiseAgain fucked around with this message at Apr 9, 2012 around 03:06

Jeek
Feb 15, 2012


Kimitsu posted:

Image loads fine for me? It looks like the hood is part of the school uniform jacket.

This is what I see on my side:



What's going on with that?

The note is really a Bad Sign, by the way. Let's hope Naegi will talk with other students and confirm if the meeting is real before going to the canteen. By the way, if it is fake, its author would probably be either Togami or Celes.

VVV Thanks a lot, dude.

Jeek fucked around with this message at Apr 9, 2012 around 02:33

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011



Jeek posted:

This is what I see on my side:



What's going on with that?

The note is really a Bad Sign, by the way. Let's hope Naegi will talk with other students and confirm if the meeting is real before going to the canteen.

Something happened that corrupted the image, and your browser cached it. Follow the image's URL and hit Ctrl+F5.

zolthorg
May 26, 2009

The Heir of this place is ...unnerving.


I guess I am the silly goon because I assumed the note was from Monobear. Also thanks much for the suggestions on the avatar title. I'll mull it over for the night and pick something tomorrow. I love the emotion in that picture though, Naegi looks betrayed more then he looks like he is yelling "You've got that wrong!".

SingerOfW
Feb 28, 2012

I shall admit my wickedness.

Omniphile posted:

I think Ishida wrote the note. Stereotypical letters of challenge in delinquent manga are always written in brushwork.
The question is, why would he challenge Naegi instead of Yamada?

Let me divide the possible authors of the note into three groups based on the chances of them being one:

Group 1: Ishida/Ishimaru, Syo, Asahina. These people are less likely to have such pretty handwriting, unless the game is going to reveal it to be one of their hidden talents we had no way to learn about. Moreover, they have no reason to write a note when they can just knock and tell Naegi to get to the cafeteria.

Group 2: Yamada, Kirigiri, Sakura. These people are more likely to have this handwriting, but, just like the previous group, they don't have any motive to write something they can simply say, they're just not that sneaky.

Group 3: Fukawa, Hagakure, Togami, Celes. These are the most likely candidates for being the author of the note, since they can be pretty manipulative if the situation calls for that. Fukawa and Hagakure are less likely to be the author than Togami and Celes based on the information we have on them (including the fact that Hagakure skipped school and may not write that well), but they have much more potential for hidden depths than Group 1 or 2.

Now that I think about it, what are the rooms that are the closest to Naegi's? Maybe the author of the note just doesn't want to attract attention of Naegi's neighbors. If that's the case, group 2 becomes more likely to do this.

Satanos
Feb 5, 2010



Oxxidation posted:

If there's one thing that most v-novels have in common, it's that their endings (even more so than their beginnings and middles) tend to be deeply, deeply stupid. So I'm not really expecting the mastermind revelation to fit with any logic established in the story up until this point.

For a normal VN I'd agree, but this one is very clearly sticking to a proper mystery framework (well, to the same degree as the Ace Attorney games). If it doesn't lay down enough foreshadowing in regards to the major mysteries we've got in front of us then I'll be very surprised.

SomeoneSomewhere
Aug 12, 2010

Super High School Level Bunny Suit


SingerOfW posted:

The question is, why would he challenge Naegi instead of Yamada?

Let me divide the possible authors of the note into three groups based on the chances of them being one:

Group 1: Ishida/Ishimaru, Syo, Asahina. These people are less likely to have such pretty handwriting, unless the game is going to reveal it to be one of their hidden talents we had no way to learn about. Moreover, they have no reason to write a note when they can just knock and tell Naegi to get to the cafeteria.

Group 2: Yamada, Kirigiri, Sakura. These people are more likely to have this handwriting, but, just like the previous group, they don't have any motive to write something they can simply say, they're just not that sneaky.

Group 3: Fukawa, Hagakure, Togami, Celes. These are the most likely candidates for being the author of the note, since they can be pretty manipulative if the situation calls for that. Fukawa and Hagakure are less likely to be the author than Togami and Celes based on the information we have on them (including the fact that Hagakure skipped school and may not write that well), but they have much more potential for hidden depths than Group 1 or 2.

Now that I think about it, what are the rooms that are the closest to Naegi's? Maybe the author of the note just doesn't want to attract attention of Naegi's neighbors. If that's the case, group 2 becomes more likely to do this.

It's just a hunch that the Ishida vs. Yamada conflict over Alter Ego is a red herring. It's meant to take our eyes off the seemingly meaningless money motive that Monobear gave earlier. Which if so, would put Hagakure as a prime suspect for the next offender. He seems to be hurting for money even if he won't admit it. See his '10% Discount' that doesn't even apply to the bogus fortune he forced on Naegi. Though that social link did have one of the best exchanges in the game...

orenronen posted:

Heh heh heh... I can see a surprising future for you...
Your child and my child... will share the same mother!!
No! I will never allow it!!

It's highly likely Yamada wrote the note, due to his reliance on tropes and pop culture, but if so it's likely a distraction.

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007

Oh super wow! That looks like a tasty thing for me to eat with my excellent beak!


idonotlikepeas posted:

Wrong kind of hammer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWe2RDbLYTk

I also haven't seen a tire around anywhere.
This is lame as hell. I mean, yeah it's an effective workout, but if you're gonna do those motions go out and chop some firewood like a boss or something, get some work done while you're working out.

Rawkking
Sep 4, 2011


SingerOfW posted:

The question is, why would he challenge Naegi instead of Yamada?

Could have sent letters to both Naegi and Yamada with Naegi acting to observe the CHALLENGE, like the bathhouse event earlier. vv

orenronen
Nov 7, 2008

I'd better warn you. I have no compassion, sympathy or pity. That's because I'm a bear.


I made the post with Naegi's early design a full fledged bonus feature I'm going to add to periodically, and added the character designer's comments from the artbook. Check it out.

SWMadness
Jul 16, 2011


100 HOGS AGREE posted:

This is lame as hell. I mean, yeah it's an effective workout, but if you're gonna do those motions go out and chop some firewood like a boss or something, get some work done while you're working out.


If you're doing repetitions of this for an extended period of time every day, that's a poo poo ton of firewood. And not everyone can get a hold of that many logs. the advantage to using a hammer and tire is that the tire will last for a longer time.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

what even the heck


SomeoneSomewhere posted:

It's just a hunch that the Ishida vs. Yamada conflict over Alter Ego is a red herring. It's meant to take our eyes off the seemingly meaningless money motive that Monobear gave earlier. Which if so, would put Hagakure as a prime suspect for the next offender. He seems to be hurting for money even if he won't admit it. See his '10% Discount' that doesn't even apply to the bogus fortune he forced on Naegi. Though that social link did have one of the best exchanges in the game...

Someone said that the pile of money isn't there as a reward, it's there as an alibi, and I agree with that line of thinking. The killer in this cycle is probably going to be somebody who has no need for extra cash, so they can point to the prize as a way to deny their guilt. That pretty much narrows it down to Togami or Celes, and Togami's been such a transparent bastard that I'd lean more heavily towards the latter.

I'm kind of hoping Togami's the victim this cycle, but that would probably be too obvious.

Wandering Knitter
Feb 5, 2006


orenronen posted:

I made the post with Naegi's early design a full fledged bonus feature I'm going to add to periodically, and added the character designer's comments from the artbook. Check it out.

Hehe, "his herbivore nature"

Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


SWMadness posted:

If you're doing repetitions of this for an extended period of time every day, that's a poo poo ton of firewood. And not everyone can get a hold of that many logs. the advantage to using a hammer and tire is that the tire will last for a longer time.

Also, as mentioned, you're less likely to hurt yourself smacking a tire than firewood or something more solid. Not that much less likely, but reduced chance is reduced chance, right?

Jeek
Feb 15, 2012


orenronen posted:

I made the post with Naegi's early design a full fledged bonus feature I'm going to add to periodically, and added the character designer's comments from the artbook. Check it out.

So the designer decided to make Naegi a no-personality character from the very beginning, huh?

IShallRiseAgain posted:

I just realized a fan-art that needs to be made. Dangen Ronpa meets Winnie the Pooh. I'd do it myself, but I've let my drawing skills deteriorate.
One needs only GIMP and a source image to do that.



Avatar version:

Jeek fucked around with this message at Apr 9, 2012 around 17:52

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

Lord Fitzmoa
President Emuitus
Dead Birds Society


Jeek posted:

So the designer decided to Naegi a no-personality character from the very beginning, huh?

One needs only GIMP and a source image to do that.



Avatar version:

Aww, it's a bear with little ethics...

Oraculum Animi
Sep 13, 2007


Jeek posted:

So the designer decided to Naegi a no-personality character from the very beginning, huh?

I don't know if this was brought up before but I have seen that in this case herbivore means someone who isn't interested in a relationship or marriage because (there was a thread in GBS on this) getting married and having children pretty much ends your life to overworking late at night with your wife controlling the budget. It's like a mix of metrosexual and wanting a more free life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

orenronen
Nov 7, 2008

I'd better warn you. I have no compassion, sympathy or pity. That's because I'm a bear.


Oraculum Animi posted:

I don't know if this was brought up before but I have seen that in this case herbivore means someone who isn't interested in a relationship or marriage because (there was a thread in GBS on this) getting married and having children pretty much ends your life to overworking late at night with your wife controlling the budget. It's like a mix of metrosexual and wanting a more free life.

That's the definition used by the pseudo-sociological articles written on the subject (a favorite in advanced Japanese classes, by the way).

In general use, though, the term often takes a simpler wider meaning of a guy who doesn't act "manly", where the value of "manly" changes according to context but often means "actively chasing girls all the time".

Wyvernil
Mar 10, 2007

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

SingerOfW posted:

Now that I think about it, what are the rooms that are the closest to Naegi's? Maybe the author of the note just doesn't want to attract attention of Naegi's neighbors. If that's the case, group 2 becomes more likely to do this.

The rooms are supposed to be soundproof, so it shouldn't matter whether our mysterious note writer left a note or decided to call a meeting in person. However, let's take a closer look anyway.



Hmm... Our protagonist's room is the second from the left in the bottom hallway. The closest rooms to his which are still occupied belong to Ishimaru, Togami, and Kirigiri.

Wait a minute, wasn't Kirigiri keeping her door open during Night Time? And it's getting to be around that time... Something tells me this can't be a coincidence. That might explain why the note writer didn't just walk up to Naegi's door to call a meeting, if they didn't want the Mystery Girl to overhear it.

Wyvernil fucked around with this message at Apr 9, 2012 around 18:09

SingerOfW
Feb 28, 2012

I shall admit my wickedness.

Wyvernil posted:

Wait a minute, wasn't Kirigiri keeping her door open during Night Time? And it's getting to be around that time... Something tells me this can't be a coincidence. That might explain why the note writer didn't just walk up to Naegi's door to call a meeting, if they didn't want the Mystery Girl to overhear it.
This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Makoto Naegi-dono. You're my only hope.
Of getting to Alter Ego-tan past that devil woman, of course.

Materant posted:

Also, as mentioned, you're less likely to hurt yourself smacking a tire than firewood or something more solid. Not that much less likely, but reduced chance is reduced chance, right?
Speaking of which, I thought the hammer is supposed to bounce back when you strike a tire with it. Guess it's part of the exercise to keep it from flailing around.

Jeek
Feb 15, 2012


SingerOfW posted:

This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Makoto Naegi-dono. You're my only hope.
Of rescuing Alter Ego-tan from that devil woman, of course.

This is more likely to be what's in Yamada's head.

orenronen
Nov 7, 2008

I'd better warn you. I have no compassion, sympathy or pity. That's because I'm a bear.


More bonus material!

This is from one of the anthology comic book. It's strictly in the "girls doing dumb things" genre of otaku fiction, but it made me laugh. It most likely takes place during chapter 2.

For those not used to reading manga, remember - you read the panels and text from right to left.


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SingerOfW
Feb 28, 2012

I shall admit my wickedness.

Ohh, that Fujisaki reaction

This is great, partially because it's devoid of the despair of the main story. Until you remember that most of them are going to die horrible, horrible deaths.

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Supeerme
Sep 13, 2010


orenronen posted:





That is a really sneaky spoiler there.

Sakara seems more evil spirit than a person.

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