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Celes will be a murderer, at some point, but I don't think she's going to be on the radar for a while. Part of being a good gambler isn't just lying and keeping calm, it's also reading the table. Hustlers do it all the time. She'll let other people make their moves while reading and trying to not get killed. When she does act it'll be in a way that there is no possible way to link it to her as that's the only true way to win. Look for something like "an accident" or a suicide, that's probably her. I think the first murderer will be a bit more obvious. Biker man or Sakura, or maybe even the bookworm. First victim will be Super High-school Level Heir cause he's boring, distrustful, and is asking to be killed since he wants to travel alone.
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| # ¿ Nov 13, 2011 19:04 |
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| # ¿ May 24, 2013 20:32 |
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CrookedB posted:Celestia Ludenberg and Kyouko Kirigiri. My vote goes to these two as well.
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| # ¿ Nov 17, 2011 00:33 |
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orenronen posted:
This plus he was the last one to show up for breakfast. He also seemed the most callous about Maizono being dead. He also has been the loner so far and probably has no alibi other than "I didn't do it." Everyone else arrived to breakfast in groups of some sort. It could still be someone else but all of these things in a row seem suspicious. Also as others have pointed out Junko's last words seemed very strange but also Kirigiri's line: kirigiri posted:
seemed very out of place as well. I'm thinking she's here trying to track down Sho and this is sort of an allusion to her wanting to bring him justice. Also I don't know how the game actually does the "choosing" part but if it's just a straight "who did it?" and a list of names maybe we could vote on it to see if we'd get it right or all get "punished" if we were in this situation.
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| # ¿ Nov 25, 2011 22:54 |
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...Shut up.
If one of us really is the killer, will that person now graduate the school...?
...Eh?
That’s right, a judge hands down justice. I’m a little relieved, hearing that from you...
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malkav11 posted:I'd just like to note that I personally feel Monobear is always telling the truth (his only lies are of omission), and it would cheapen the scenario to have Monobear making random, un-rules-related interventions off camera. We can probably expect that anything we don't directly see Monobear do or that he doesn't tell us about is probably something a student contrived. Monobear does lie though. He said he'd punish Junko by locking her up but then killed her instead. I have a feeling the "kill everyone else" clause of the trial is a bluff. Would Monobear's goal of Despair really work out if 12 students died and one got to go free? It's much better for him if the killer is found out and killed as then it gives him more time to mess with the remaining students. He probably would intervene and/or leave clues pointing to the killer if he feels there's a good chance they're going to get away with it. A good example of this is the Monobear File. I have a feeling it'll have heavy handed hints to who the killer is.
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| # ¿ Nov 26, 2011 03:35 |
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malkav11 posted:Yeah. And we don't know what he was doing when he rushed at her. He might have been going to take her and lock her up. Only then she attacked him and, welp. In my book that's still breaking his own rules. He said he wouldn't get involved in what the students do but then he rushes at one of them with threats. As Kirigiri said, he's been trying to bait one of them into getting killed by rule breaking for a while. He's not an impartial ruler of this game, he's a a cheating dungeon master who's only joy comes from watching the players struggle. He'll bend, break, and make up rules on the spot if he thinks it will benefit his goal of making the players despair. They did a very similar scene in Battle Royale (the movie, I've never read the book) where a student objects to playing the game (as far as I know he didn't break any rules, just stated that he wouldn't play) and gets a similar fate. The game masters aren't strict adherents to fair play, they'll do whatever they need to do to keep the ball rolling. Fake Edit: Spoilering for a 10 year old movie, not this game.
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| # ¿ Nov 26, 2011 07:18 |
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I think the fact that the killer cleaned up some stuff (hair?) but didn't clean up everything (body, blood, katana) makes me think there would be a dead giveaway if the hair was found and they wanted to frame Naegi. That said this is super anime land where everyone has crazy hair so even something minor like a hair color could give it away. Since the killing happened so late and the killer cleaned up (and they killed someone) that doesn't leave a lot of time to get any rest. I'm going to have to go back and look at the arrival to the breakfast and see if anyone seems tired. Oh and also mirroring that Maizono invite/let the person the person into the room and that she probably had the knife. My problem with the scenario is that it seems like Maizono had no plan. If she succeeded in killing the person what then? She's in Naegi's room so it's pretty obvious she was attempting to frame them but Naegi had her key. Was it to get to breakfast and immediately exchange keys and then when Naegi was like "Maizono-sama, why is there a dead body in my room?" she'd respond with "I don't know, we didn't trade rooms and you can't prove it so you must be the killer." or "You promised you'd get me out of here no matter what so you have to say you did it." Pretty faulty plan but maybe she was emotionally unstable and wasn't using logic when she started this series of events (but how she can come up with a frame shows she was premeditating). Edit: It's also possible that the stabbing happened earlier and it took her quiet a while to bleed out. With a broken wrist and a knife in the gut it's possible she couldn't get up to unlock the door. The report only mentioned one stab wound and unless it hit her lower aorta it would take a while to die. Though that could just be over analyzing the death as most media has people fall down and die instantly from a stab to the gut rather than a long protracted death. It doesn't matter how, just the who and why. Belzac fucked around with this message at Nov 26, 2011 around 22:49 |
| # ¿ Nov 26, 2011 22:33 |
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Supeerme posted:So Sakura Oogami could be the killer? She does know a lot of fighting skills. She also commented that it was early (implying she was tired). But at the same time the train of thought is that Maizono invited the killer in with the intent to kill them, so she'd be pretty crazy to try and kill Oogami.
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| # ¿ Nov 26, 2011 23:21 |
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BurningStone posted:
Umm... it's in her gut. It's pretty visible in the picture.
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| # ¿ Nov 27, 2011 03:46 |
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BurningStone posted:Don't know how I missed it. That does make the wording of Monobear's information a little strange - why say "killed by a sharp object" instead of "the knife that's sticking out of her." Or is that an artifact of the translation and I'm reading too much into it? I think he's trying to mimic medical terminology of a real autopsy. Normally they'd say something like "The cause of death was a deep puncture wound to the abdomen. The murder weapon recovered was a large kitchen knife." Or something like that. I'm assuming he directly left the murder weapon out because in later cases the weapon will be unknown so he doesn't want to spoil the kids this time. I was also thinking of a situation in which Sayaka doesn't turn out to be a would be killer who got killed instead. Maybe in the night she got scared and was going to go back to her room to be with Naegi but there was someone waiting in the hall. She opened her door to go out but the killer heard it open and rushed into the room. This might explain why Naegi's key is on the floor rather than a reasonable location, as it was knocked out of her hand at the start of the fight. If that's the case it's possible that Celes is the murderer as she's the one who made the "no moving at night time" rule probably just so she could break it.
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| # ¿ Nov 27, 2011 05:38 |
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orenronen posted:Yeah, blame that on my translation skills. The Japanese does seem to mimic the style of autopsy reports (not that I've ever seen a Japanese autopsy report, mind you), and since the closest I got to one in English is a couple seasons of ER, I'm just not good at mimicing the style. Not that anything on American television is probably a good indicator of actual crime/medical drama but I got what Monobear(you) were trying to say but maybe with a slightly easier to understand twist like they do on shows like CSI and Law and Order. Saying someone got stabbed in the stomach is a lot easier to picture in your mind than a puncture wound to the abdomen. I don't mind if you use the simpler terms (it actually fits with Monobear's character to not take this stuff that seriously and to provide reports to the kids that they can read). So you can just say "slash" rather than "laceration" or "bruise" rather than "contusion" and so on. Unless there's actually a point about the kids not understanding what a report is saying, then feel free to use some complex medical jargon. Edit: Also I think the 80 replies is a sign that a huge draw of this thread is the back and forth of us going over the evidence and taking wild leaps at guessing who's going to die/who's going to kill. We're all putting ourselves in the situation and trying to be detectives too, it's a lot of fun. We spend the time between updates making our guesses (maybe with some debate, like I assume the trial is going to be like) and then your update comes and we find out if we were right or not. Good thread. Belzac fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2011 around 06:41 |
| # ¿ Nov 27, 2011 06:37 |
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Gothy McAngstydie posted:
Kirigiri (???) suggested they all split up and look for evidence and that at this point, it's everyone for themselves. Kirigiri posted:
I'd guess she figures that if they research as a group the killer will be able to interfere with their investigation and produce/destroy/marginalize evidence. If they all come to their own conclusion and then debate at the end there will be less of chance of the killer messing with people. That and it seems about half the students don't care (Sakura, Mondo, Yasuhiro, Chihiro, and Touko) and will just go with whatever the group agrees on in the end. As for where the others are...who knows? Maybe they went to go get food or are looking at other things.
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| # ¿ Nov 27, 2011 07:12 |
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There's a lot that doesn't make perfect sense with what we have to go on and I'm assume most of it will be cleared up in the next update but here's the ones I'm thinking about the most right now. 1. There was a very visible struggle but Maizono only has 2 wounds and no one else seems to be injured. If there really was a sudden and violent struggle where Mai had the jump (and had the knife) you'd think someone else would be hiding a stab wound or two. 2. The actual murder place is very weird. Assuming everyone is closing their bathroom doors when exiting them then why is Makoto's open? Why did Maizono open the door? Was she trying to escape from someone who was already in the room with her? It would make some more sense if the door was closed, then we could assume she got stabbed and locked herself in there but since it's open and there isn't blood anywhere else we can guess that's where the fight ended. 3. Why is blood everywhere in the bathroom? If she got gut stabbed and then the killer backed up, cleaned up the room and left, why is there blood splattered every where? When I first saw the scene I assumed she was stabbed over and over and over again but Monobear's report says specifically that it was only one stab wound. My 2nd point is a legitimate thing that I assumed will be directly brought up and answered but I have a feeling 1 and 3 are just for visual effect and not making the killer obvious. Less realism, more mystery. I also think that's why no one has blood on their clothes. Obviously with all that blood everywhere you'd think the killer would get a lot on themselves but everyone was probably standing pretty close the Junko when she got stabbed and it seemed like she had equally highly pressurize blood but no one got covered with that either. I personally find myself going back to my alternative theory that Maizono didn't attempt to murder someone. That means someone got into the room either under false pretenses (pretending to be under duress or another character) or she opened the door or a reason and the killer broke in. I like the second option as it would explain why the key is hanging out on the floor like it is. If you were opening your door and getting ready to leave, the key would still be in your hand. If someone saw the door opening and rushed into the room it'd be very likely that the key would go flying to the ground. But the problem with that is why she would open the door. Was she scared and trying to get back to Naegi's room (it's the one right across the hall right?) Fake Edit: It's also possible that the fight occurred right after Naegi left. Maybe the person who tried to get into Mai's room stalked her to Naegi's room. When he saw Naegi leave maybe he instantly rushed into the room before she had a chance to lock it or by buzzing and maybe she thought it was Naegi who forgot something since it was only a few seconds later. This leads to some problems with the ToD but it's possible she took a while to bleed out and actually die.
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| # ¿ Nov 28, 2011 06:06 |
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slouch posted:Would it be possible to hear something like that? I don't know how the properties of Monobear's soundproofing works. I would assume it would be perfectly audible, but I'm not about to make any assumptions about how this madhouse of a school operates. (Whatever the answer is, it would probably be a little spoilery. Don't feel like you have to tell us.) Well, I'm assuming even if the room is sound proof you would probably be able to hear the door handle jiggling as it's directly connected to the outside and the vibrations probably transfer. Or she could have been lying to him and Naegi was too much of a good guy to figure it out.
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| # ¿ Nov 28, 2011 06:16 |
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orenronen posted:I'm hoping to get the next one done tonight (European time), but it may have to wait until tomorrow. This is pretty much what I thought was going to happen. We're super over analyzing every detail we have but the game is just going to be like "IT SAYS LEON ON THE WALL!" I assume maybe for more difficult ones there will be some detective work (especially with the Logic difficulty levels) but you're doing a great job so far. Post the updates as they naturally get done, don't rush it on our account.
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| # ¿ Nov 28, 2011 07:57 |
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slouch posted:I'm convinced that it was Maizono who used the lint roller to collect Naegi's hair to add to her collection. This makes a bit of sense actually. Not her making a hair doll of Naegi but if she's the one who switched the name signs then it would make sense for her to spend time trying to make it look as little like a boy's room as possible. That or she was OCD and how can she sleep with ALL THAT HAIR EVERYWHERE!
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| # ¿ Nov 29, 2011 02:59 |
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Edit: Beaten to it.  slouch posted:I just have to wonder: he said that he was going to take the numbers to the computer hacker. (because she's obviously good with numbers?) I wonder how that dialogue is going to turn out. Unless he's got an actual photo of the message it she will do nothing but send him down the wrong direction. I assume she's going to enter the numbers on a calculator and turn it upside down like everyone did with 58008 when they were a kid. Belzac fucked around with this message at Nov 29, 2011 around 23:16 |
| # ¿ Nov 29, 2011 23:11 |
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OneDeadman posted:The 16th spot is obviously for the Super-Highschool Level Transfer Student who appears later and may or may not actually be Genocider Syo. The title card for this chapter has a guy in it:  I think that's suppose to be Naegi but it just looks very different. Hair is much darker and the expression on his face isn't really close to anything we've seen. Same clothes though...oh well.
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| # ¿ Dec 4, 2011 03:32 |
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orenronen posted:
I love when games do this. FEAR is an example I can think of where the demo was a bunch of segmented spots from various parts in the game glued together to create a unique area with a few unique scares. If it's interesting enough could you possible post a mini-LP of it as bonus content? I want to get any extra time with our fallen friends that I can  .
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| # ¿ Dec 4, 2011 21:58 |
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Before we go, I want to talk a little bit about Sayaka Maizono as the game's first murder. Obviously, the game is trying to trick us to think she's going to be the story's main heroine. It was much more effective when the game was first released, though - fake screenshots showing her (as well as Enoshima) in trial scenes appeared along every magazine article. Even more impressive was the playable demo that was available a couple of weeks before the release, and features an alternate version of the murder with a different victim, but says nothing about being different from the real game. I think most people who bought the game early on were pretty surprised.
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slouch posted:Ah, yeah. I somehow hadn't noticed that the player was shooting at the words themselves. I thought you just had to shoot the person when they were on their line. Shooting out the words would be much more difficult this way. Yeah not only is he shooting the words but it looks like there is some lag between when you hit the shoot button and your evidence hits the phrase. It's most noticeable in the last video when he uses concentrate to line up the shot an inch of so above where it is so that it glides into it. I wonder what the metaphysical aspect of leading your shots translates into?
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| # ¿ Dec 5, 2011 00:21 |
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Not to complain at having videos for all the trial scenes but I get some painful audio crackling when watching them.
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| # ¿ Dec 6, 2011 22:58 |
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Heavy neutrino posted:If I were thinking about murdering someone, I'd probably go for the girl with really good detective skills. It seems like there's two ways it could go: I'm also guessing that 2 will happen as well. Which begs a question. If someone makes an attempt on someone's life but fails...do they all have to still live together? There's no rule on failing to kill someone so I'd assume they'd just hang around with everyone staring at them awkwardly. Maybe it'll happen where someone fails at killing someone and they tell everybody and then 2 days later the almost victim winds up dead and you have to defend the failed killer because it was someone else who wanted to take advantage of the situation.
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| # ¿ Dec 11, 2011 18:42 |
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Kirigiri and Sakura because we've put the time into them. Min/Maxing is in my blood.
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| # ¿ Dec 24, 2011 16:59 |
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Kirigiri for sure.
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| # ¿ Jan 4, 2012 19:23 |
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I accept that certain words don't translate well between languages. I think the honorifics after names is a good example of this. I'm pretty sure at some point someone will call someone their sempai and that probably won't get translated either. The problem with aniki and why everyone is jumping on it is because they used it like 100 times back to back without any break. In that case I actually think "bro" works well since Americans parrot that back and forth like no tomorrow.
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| # ¿ Jan 5, 2012 21:32 |
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The Aniki debate reminded me of this picture. Obviously Orenronen's translation is far better but parallels could be made: http://i.imgur.com/ryOJ5.jpg
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| # ¿ Jan 5, 2012 22:20 |
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Heavy neutrino posted:Whoa, that's terrible. What does kisama even mean? Some sort of insult? Kisama and Yatsu are both pronouns with various levels are informality. Yatsu is more just an informal way of saying "you" (Japanese usually just say a person's name rather than use pronouns) while Kisama is considered extremely hostile. I've seen it translated as bastard or bitch before. Belzac fucked around with this message at Jan 5, 2012 around 22:46 |
| # ¿ Jan 5, 2012 22:36 |
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My guess is that Celes will be the murderer in the next trial. She has seemingly the most to hide of any of the characters (baring Kirigiri) so much that she doesn't even use her own name. For victim I'm guessing Hifumi if they want to be more obvious, Touko if they want to try and frame Togami, or Mondo if they want to pull on the heart strings (plus he said he wouldn't hurt a girl). I think Togami is a giant red herring and will get done away with by someone else rather than commit a murder himself. Edit: I also think a key point of this trial will be people devolving their secrets to prove their not the murderer ("See, I don't even care about this stupid secret, and since I don't I wouldn't have killed anyone over it") but with a twist like them switching their secret with the victim. Belzac fucked around with this message at Jan 7, 2012 around 01:18 |
| # ¿ Jan 7, 2012 01:15 |
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Phlegmish posted:This might be a clue since they explicitly brought it up, but the presence of a mosquito really isn't that strange, even if the place is hermetically sealed. Especially when you consider that Monobear's been bringing in supplies from the outside. But it was also a free activity event so there's a good chance that most players wouldn't see this even their first time through the game so I don't it has any major story relevance. I think they just wanted to tell a little vignette that Chihiro is so "kind" that she wouldn't even squash a bug and then lamp shaded it so people don't ask "well how'd a bug get in?"
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| # ¿ Jan 7, 2012 02:05 |
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Haifisch posted:You know, one of the nice things about this LP was the lack of people who played it before going "Hey guys, something CRAZY is about to happen! *wink wink* *nudge nudge*". Can't we keep it that way? I put Undead Unicorn on my ignore list like 50 pages ago when he said he played the game before. It was a flawed plan in that everyone immediately quotes him and I get to read it anyway.
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| # ¿ Jan 7, 2012 03:34 |
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Fangz posted:One thing to note: if Fukawa had DID triggered by the sight of blood, then she can't be the murder because her DID cannot be triggered before the crime took place. Kirigiri suggested this right before the first investigation. It's harder for the murderer to influence people if they find their own evidence.
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| # ¿ Jan 9, 2012 20:17 |
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quote:But... did she even has a reason to get stronger? Probably should be "...did she even have a reason..." Also I think they're getting to fact that you can just swipe someone's card and use it without punishment. Whether they are dead or not.
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| # ¿ Jan 10, 2012 20:01 |
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I think the scene of the murder was the boy's changing room as evidence by the calender/poster thing. Naegi didn't pick up on it right away but I'm pretty sure that the killer moved all the stuff that got blood on it into the girl's changing room. So I think the killer was a boy, Fujisaki is a boy, but the killer also had a girl's key card that he pilfered off one of the dead girls or stole from a living one.
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| # ¿ Jan 10, 2012 20:24 |
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E: ^ beaten drat. I haven't really been keeping up on speculation but I think we can say for sure that the murderer isn't Genosider Syo. All of Syo's previous victims were gruesomely stabbed several times by the pictures while this "Syo" only hit the victim once. I think Togami did it then did it up to look like a Syo murder. I don't think he knows that Fukawa actually is Syo.
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| # ¿ Jan 19, 2012 22:40 |
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Do I get to call everyone who said I was wrong a pervert now since they all called anyone who pointed out the very obvious allusions to Fujisaki being a guy? Seriously if you didn't see this coming your were lying to yourself and are horrible detectives.
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| # ¿ Jan 28, 2012 08:29 |
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I can't really see anyone else as being the murderer at this point besides Togami. I think he had some super air tight case which is why he doctored everything up to look one way so he could come out and be like "...since you all think it was me well how about this!" and shoot down all the evidence. He didn't think anyone would notice the room change or Fujisaki being a man so now he's on the ropes. My back up answer is Ishimaru since he seemed awfully eager to wrap up the case and seems like a nice neutral person that Fujisaki might ask to train with or confide in.
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| # ¿ Jan 28, 2012 09:16 |
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Exercu posted:You're not allowed to intentionally sleep outside your dorm room. Not specifically your dorm, but the dorms in general. See the first case where Maizono and Naegi switched and Sakura sleeping in Asahina's room.
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| # ¿ Feb 5, 2012 01:30 |
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Not to be that guy but the chapter names aren't displayed correctly on the OP. Nothing major but I like the names of chapter 2 and 3 so I wish I could see them every time I check to see if there's an update.
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| # ¿ Feb 6, 2012 21:30 |
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The chapter title cards have little to nothing to do with the chapter. At no point during the last chapter did Yasuhiro read manga or did manga have anything to do with the plot (other than a very short segment about how there isn't any in the school).
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| # ¿ Feb 7, 2012 00:00 |
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I'm a huge Gundam fan and I didn't get the reference. I think they translated it to "Gundam Rising" for the English release (which is all I've seen of the original series).
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| # ¿ Feb 7, 2012 02:58 |
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| # ¿ May 24, 2013 20:32 |
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Kirigiri gets my vote.
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| # ¿ Feb 24, 2012 21:49 |
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