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Latin Pheonix posted:Second of all, to put this as delicately as possible; are you certain he's kicking you out because of transphobia and nothing else? Could it be that there was already tension there and he was thinking about asking you to leave anyway? Are you certain he even knows that you're trans? I thought about it, I hate myself enough that my default assumption is that i'm always the one at fault, but in this case I don't think so. We got on well enough when he was around, we'd talk and have a few drinks in front of the tv every week or so. He once mentioned that I get a bit "odd" when i'm drunk, but he never made anything more than an observation out of it. It was only a couple of months ago that he signed us up for a year long internet contract he'd never seen the need for while living by himself, which certainly made it seem to me that he thought I would at least be here that long. Plus he specifically mentioned my private life, if not exactly what in particular about it he objected to. I probably should have made him come out and say it, but I ran to my room to cry like the emotionally stunted useless goddamn baby that I am. So no, I don't know for certain, but it is the only explanation that makes any sense, save him coming to believe that i'm a cannibal or a furry or something in my spare time.
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Go to see a specialist in about two weeks, and going part-time/talking to friends. Still shaky and terrified around my mother, but apparently that's normal. Just wish it was easier. Also, thanks for talking to me  . Helps to see that a lot of my issues are ones that others have dealt with and it's not hopeless.
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Lexical Unit posted:Ok. This is what I normally wear for a casual look. no, but ankhs for the memories
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Quick update, yesterday I got into med school and I'm probably starting HRT today. Life is Good.
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Latin Pheonix posted:Then my doctor said that apparently I'm not transitioning 'fast enough' so he won't provide HRT treatment until I've seen a counsellor and speed up my transition. If it's possible at all, you should look into changing your primary care practitioner or making it clear to your doctor that they do not know what the gently caress they're doing. Are they at all familiar with the WPATH or UCSF standards of care? You're entitled to a doctor who doesn't pressure you and jeopardize your well-being without the slightest medical bearing. Collaterly Sisters fucked around with this message at Dec 2, 2011 around 15:49 |
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Latin Pheonix posted:I wouldn't say I feel guilty but I definitely identify with what you're saying, I am somewhat apprehensive of doing major transitioning (SRS, dressing in a new role, etc) while living with my mother, who is still struggling to a certain degree with what's going on. So I've been somewhat trying to hold back... Then my doctor said that apparently I'm not transitioning 'fast enough' so he won't provide HRT treatment until I've seen a counsellor and speed up my transition. Oh woah I missed this part what the hell I transitioned really slowly compared to like, everyone around me. I had religious parents I was relying on and didn't quite have my poo poo in order to be able to take care of myself, and I straightened that stuff out first, and for me that was the right decision. I don't regret a thing. I have no idea where your doctor gets off dictating that poo poo to you, nor how withholding HRT will somehow magically make you transition faster.
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Redwolf posted:I thought about it, I hate myself enough that my default assumption is that i'm always the one at fault, but in this case I don't think so. We got on well enough when he was around, we'd talk and have a few drinks in front of the tv every week or so. He once mentioned that I get a bit "odd" when i'm drunk, but he never made anything more than an observation out of it. It was only a couple of months ago that he signed us up for a year long internet contract he'd never seen the need for while living by himself, which certainly made it seem to me that he thought I would at least be here that long. Plus he specifically mentioned my private life, if not exactly what in particular about it he objected to. I probably should have made him come out and say it, but I ran to my room to cry like the emotionally stunted useless goddamn baby that I am. I know I'm sounding a bit hung-ho about what I was suggesting earlier, but I'm also asking this because I'm wondering if there's any chance for reconciliation. Have you spoken to him about this, or at all since he asked you to leave? Maybe he thinks you do it for kicks or that you're going to try to do something or another... Maybe he doesn't understand what a big deal and life-changing event it is for you? I dunno, I'm just shooting in the dark right now... Edit: quote:Oh woah I missed this part what the hell Yeah, this was greatly upsetting to me since, like I said, I was only doing things very gradually in order to convenience everyone else around me and ease them into my change as much as possible. I should've been a bit suspect about my doctor asking so much about my cross-dressing habits (I haven't cross-dressed, at least, not while sober) and, looking back, I REALLY wish I had brought up the fact that I was shaving my armpits/legs, growing my hair long, growing my nails long and had even quit smoking in order to get the best of my transition possible. I think, in his defence, he was worried I was going in thinking 'HRT will make everything OK and is all I need to transition" so I think he was wary of just prescribing HRT. I think he wanted me to go to a counsellor in order to realise just how much I had to do to transition, but I'm pretty aware of just how much work this is going to take. Oh well, I think time with a counsellor will be good for me, considering what I mentioned about my faily earlier. At the very least I'll have an outlet, and if I later get a letter saying I'm ready to start HRT, all the better then. Latin Pheonix fucked around with this message at Dec 2, 2011 around 16:23 |
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Welp, I actually had a pretty awesome day yesterday. We made a day out of going to my therapy appointment and running some errands. I've been stressing about going for weeks now, mainly out of concern that I wouldn't end up with a decent therapist, and also just basic fear since the therapist is only the second person I've come out to. It was a big roll of the dice, since I'm going to the university's psychology clinic, which is staffed by Ph.D. candidate students. It's essentially my only therapy option at the moment since we have no health insurance and no money anyways. I actually had therapy there before, a couple of years ago, when I thought my only problem was depression/anxiety (  ), and had a very mediocre to sub par therapist. Basically, going in yesterday I was assuming that the worst case scenario is the therapist would be bigoted/biased and uneducated on trans issues, and maybe the best case scenario would be someone who had like one gender studies course and isn't bigoted. I figured the best I could hope for was another mediocre therapist who I'd have to educate on the details of transition, etc.So in the 1.5 hr intake appointment I managed to explain that I was having gender identity issues and that I was considering transition, starting about twenty minutes into the intake interview. I spent pretty much the whole session answering basic information questions for his notes, giving background on my issues and life story, etc. When I brought up the gender issues part he was very receptive and continued to listen, with relatively little comment/question which was reassuring. It took me some effort to work it in to conversation, but once I got it out he only asked a couple of questions about where I was at, how seriously I'm considering transition or something like that. He seemed to have a very positive attitude and all so it wasn't hard to continue the conversation, and we kind of touched on the trans issue a number of times. Anyways, with about 10-15 minutes left in the session he finally finished the intake questions and whatnot and he asks if I have any questions about him/for him, and I just asked straight up 'how comfortable/experienced are you engaging me in therapy w/r/t transition/trans issues?' and he then explained that his primary area of study is in transgender children, and that he has seen a number of patients presenting with some level of gender identity issues and actually has one patient coming up on SRS, and has helped a couple others through some aspect or another of transition. I was pretty surprised, and very pleasantly so. Even in my most optimistic projection I was expecting someone with some education on the topic, but to find that this guy has a pretty above average level of experience? Wow, what a relief! I realize just how drat lucky I am, especially considering the sort of area I live in, socio-economically. I feel much more relieved than I had ever thought I'd be after just the drat intake appointment. I guess it goes to show you (me) that if you actually make an effort to improve your situation, you might just surprise yourself and get lucky enough to have things go better than you expected. I came very close to not telling them when I set up the appointment over the phone that I was needing help with 'gender identity.' I'm so glad I worked up the courage it took just to say that ahead of time. I still have an innumerable amount of huge challenges, just like I did before yesterday, but just knowing that I have one more major step taken care of is a huge weight off my shoulders, not to mention it just feels drat good to be doing something to improve my situation. edit: jesus i didn't realize how long that post would be tl;dr - went to therapy for the first time for the trans, thought i'd get a poo poo therapist, got an awesome one instead (i think), am happy about it. Guy Montag fucked around with this message at Dec 2, 2011 around 19:51 |
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I have just been kind of figuring this out myself for the past several months, and recently came out to my friends and significant other as genderqueer/mtf. It's been really gratifying, on that end, and everyone's been really supportive, but, well, I'm... not quite sure where to go from here! Am putting together money to work on moving forward with how I want to look and feel, but as I find myself in essentially a black hole when it comes to this culture (central Mississippi), I can't seem to even find an existent gender therapist to continue the conversation or figure out what else my options are. It doesn't really help that despite a WONDERFUL s/o and WONDERFUL friends, I know absolutely no one who's gone through this. I'm scared I'll find some general therapist in jackson who will tell me I'm schizophrenic, or one of another dozen horror stories.
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.........Wow. That....went well. My mother knows. And she told me that "she didn't raise any sheep", and told me to not apologize for being who I am  . I told her I loved her and that it wasn't anyone's fault. She hugged me after telling me to stand up and asking me to look at her, and then she said she needed some time to comprehend. My mom owns  . I was suspecting to get all kinds of bullshit, ready to argue an uphill battle, but I...think she already gets an awful lot of it. She said "No, no, it's okay, it's like you're just growing up again. It's okay."I never imagined that reaction. I was scared to death she'd break down about losing her son. Guess fortune just smiled upon me for once .
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Boten Anna posted:Only post pictures if you are 100% sure you are OK with them ending up in fyad and laughed at Bring it on! Here is a neat little time line of my transition. The old me:  Six months ago and on Spiro for 4 months:  Three months ago with my wicked awesome high and tight haircut:  The most recent:  From 5'11, 210lbs, and made entirely out of anger and hate to 5'9, 172lbs, dinky and not hating what I see in the mirror anymore. I've been on Spiro for about 10 months now and I started on Estradiol 6 months ago. Im super stealth about the whole transitioning process due to my job and I find that it makes everyday life easier. I might not be a super model, but I'm happy with what I've got now. A few more years of HRT and some surgery, and I think Ill be finally happy with my body.
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How in the gently caress did you lose height?
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Plutoidmoon posted:How in the gently caress did you lose height? I haven't heard anyone give a coherent reason for it (generally being put down to loss of muscle mass or cartilage shrinkage) but loads of transwomen report an inch or two of loss over as many years. (also losing a foot size, yay!) 2 inches in 6 months is one of the more extreme I have heard though.
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I'm kind of convinced that it's mainly bullshit and switching from exaggerating height in one way to another way (something I'm certainly guilty of)  There might be some tiny muscle changes or something but it's still mostly posture probably. I mean I don't think anyone's done any serious study so we can't say for sure but still.
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It's legitimate to lose shoe sizes sometimes when you lose weight, cuz less pressure on your feet means they don't have to spread out as far, but losing two inches of height? Yeah that just means you were either lying about being 5'11" before or lying about being 5'9" now, or your posture has REALLY degraded and you should go do some core strength exercises or something.
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Gah. Let me list the ways my life sucks right now: - I'm stuck in a really, really low-paying job. Like, averaging less than $150 a week and usually not even working all the shifts I was scheduled for. - Without a better-paying job, I can't afford to move out of the house where I'm staying with my mother and my demented grandfather. - Without moving out, I don't see any way for me to make progress vis a vis my transition. I'm on hormones, and that's awesome, but dressing as a woman isn't even an option in private at my house. I wouldn't even have the money buy thrift store duds to begin with. And I'll obviously never be able to afford any kind of surgery at this rate. So, like I said, gah. If I could just get a job where I made decent money, my life would improve dramatically. Anybody know of anything good and (hopefully) trans-friendly in the Philly area?
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Some have said it could be possible to lose a little bit of height if the discks between vertebrae bones is in fact shrunk a little bit by estrogen, and many have reported height loss even when being measured by doctors, 2 inches seems a bit much though.
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I've lost maybe 1 or 2 cm.. if that. That's within the margin of error recording height though so it's not very significant. I ~have~ had my shoe size go down between a 1/4 and 1/2 size. I have shoes I bought at the beginning of my transition that I wore maybe once, and now they fit very loosely.
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My moustache hairs now grow in dark/visible.  This means I have to actually pay attention and shave though. (Didn't stop my uncle from calling me "she" all day in front of very confused people. THANKS UNCLE.)
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Hey everyone, hope you don't mind if I jump in here with a question. So, my older sibling who lives allll the way across the country recently came out, just to me and our little brother for now, as a transwoman. She just started hormones and has been learning to apply makeup, and I was thinking about getting her some nice makeup for christmas since I know she can't afford much. Only problem is, I've always been a tomboy and never wear makeup! I have no idea what to get. I was thinking a basic, but good quality, makeup set and/or some good foundation? She gets dark, and fairly thick, facial hair, so could I get her something to help with that? I honestly have no idea what I'm doing here. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Calvervtutrp posted:Hey everyone, hope you don't mind if I jump in here with a question. So, my older sibling who lives allll the way across the country recently came out, just to me and our little brother for now, as a transwoman. She just started hormones and has been learning to apply makeup, and I was thinking about getting her some nice makeup for christmas since I know she can't afford much. Only problem is, I've always been a tomboy and never wear makeup! I have no idea what to get. I was thinking a basic, but good quality, makeup set and/or some good foundation? She gets dark, and fairly thick, facial hair, so could I get her something to help with that? I honestly have no idea what I'm doing here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This sort of thing depends greatly on a huge number of variables, such as your sister's skin tone, eye color, complexion, general facial structure, and what she likes and dislikes. Is she visiting over Christmas? If so, your best bet would be to take her to a department store with a fairly comprehensive cosmetics counter, and have her speak with the employees there. In my experience, these ladies have seen it all and are generally hard to shock, and they'll be tremendously helpful in finding things that will work for her. Take note of everything, and then take her some place that sells similar or even same-brand stuff a lot cheaper. Seriously, department store prices are ridiculous. All that being said, make sure she doesn't go overboard. Try to stress the importance of getting something that, on the whole, looks natural and can be used to achieve an everyday look. I'm certain she's not intent on making a spectacle of herself, and a very common mistake for makeup rookies is to overdo it and end up looking like a clown.
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Something one of my friends gave me for Christmas the other year for the same reasons of practice was actually pretty awesome. It's a giant collage of 88 different eye shadow shades. I mean overall it's cheap eyeshadow but, having that many colors to experiment with is pretty awesome for anyone. This specifically: http://www.coastalscents.com/featured/pl-001.html Things like this are a pretty good and economic way to learn how to experiment and find what you like.
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Amused to Death posted:Something one of my friends gave me for Christmas the other year for the same reasons of practice was actually pretty awesome. It's a giant collage of 88 different eye shadow shades. I mean overall it's cheap eyeshadow but, having that many colors to experiment with is pretty awesome for anyone. This is awesome and definitely going on my to-buy list, thanks
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Er, I don't think I've ever posted in this thread but it seems like a good place for advice and ranting so uh...I'm ftm, 20, and started hormones last December. I moved to a different country in July and live as male/stealth here but some weird mixture with family. And I'm visiting my family for Christmas. I have just discovered that this is not good? I came out to my immediate family some 4-5 years ago and my dad's side of the family found out shortly afterwards (and all of them have gradually become mostly okay with it by now), but my mother's didn't. I guess they've found out in bits and pieces over the past couple of years through conversations with my mother, none of which I knew anything about until recently (my mother kept telling me it would be better to not tell anyone and let her handle it, and I went along with it because I figured she knew best). Apparently this has not worked out at all and her family is pretty upset about me being trans (contrary to the last time I talked to my mother, a couple of months ago, where she said they were reasonably alright with it, and we were all, "great, the strategy is a success!"). And now I am apparently supposed to...explain everything to everyone because they are all convinced I have turned into a different person and also that I am "confused" and "going against God's will". And frankly I don't really have any patience with their attitude and how nobody has bothered to actually talk to me about it once over the course of years. Plus, it's not like I'm comfortable with my mother being my ally in this either, because although I guess she tries, she still thinks it's against her religion and says things like "haven't you ever considered that you might be wrong, and should try to find a therapist who can make you feel okay with being female?" She doesn't actually accept me as not-a-girl or anything. If I wasn't all good in the head right now I'd say gently caress it and leave family reunions for another year, but I feel like I ought to get this over with if I'm up for dealing with it. I've had a lot of fun with these people and would like to continue to do so if I can manage it. But I don't really have any idea how (mainly because they're all emotional about it and I'm just not that kind of person, and I don't know how to explain in a way they'll relate to). Blargh. tl;dr I didn't know my family was so bothered by me being trans, now I suddenly feel like I ought to fix everything, I don't know how, and also 
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Try explaining it to them this way: Who are they to say it is God's 'will' so to speak for you to be female? It works in mysterious ways, etc, etc... I don't know exactly how effective of an argument it would be, but it sounds logically consistent in my head For an unrelated question, how exactly would name changes work? Does it change the name on your birth certificate or just the driver's license? If it affects the birth certificate, does that mean that I need to do the name change in the state I was born in?
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Calvervtutrp posted:Hey everyone, hope you don't mind if I jump in here with a question. So, my older sibling who lives allll the way across the country recently came out, just to me and our little brother for now, as a transwoman. She just started hormones and has been learning to apply makeup, and I was thinking about getting her some nice makeup for christmas since I know she can't afford much. Only problem is, I've always been a tomboy and never wear makeup! I have no idea what to get. I was thinking a basic, but good quality, makeup set and/or some good foundation? She gets dark, and fairly thick, facial hair, so could I get her something to help with that? I honestly have no idea what I'm doing here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Depending on her comfort level, take her to MAC or something and they will recommend the stuff that goes with her skin tone/eyes/hair whatever. So far as I know MAC is quality stuff in general, and the makeover folks are as non-judgemental as your friendly neighborhood gay hairdresser. The Duke Of Avon posted:tl;dr I didn't know my family was so bothered by me being trans, now I suddenly feel like I ought to fix everything, I don't know how, and also It's good that you feel like you're in a place mentally where you can handle a family meeting thingy. Try it out if you wish, but recognize that you don't have to put up with anybody's poo poo just because you happen to be related. Just be you and you might change some minds. And if not, it's their loss. Family is a sometimes unhappy coincidence, I know that's not the kindest thing to say, but you don't have to surround yourself with/put up with unsupportive people.
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The Duke of Avon posted:tl;dr I didn't know my family was so bothered by me being trans, now I suddenly feel like I ought to fix everything, I don't know how, and also My (cis) take on the situation is that it might improve things if you show up and display that hey, you haven't become an entirely different person, you're just a guy. If most of what they've gotten is through your mother's perspective, they're getting her take on it, with any neuroses and misunderstandings thrown in.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:For an unrelated question, how exactly would name changes work? Does it change the name on your birth certificate or just the driver's license? If it affects the birth certificate, does that mean that I need to do the name change in the state I was born in? Changing birth certificates and changing driver's licenses tend to be two different things. Changing your name just means you have a piece of paper that says you've changed your name legally. You use that piece of paper [or a certified copy of it] to change everything else. As for your second question, I would assume so but I could be wrong. [Disclaimer: I only know US law and at that I only know Maryland. But i can't imagine it's too different.]
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My sister, bless her heart, just did a research paper for her law degree on transgender law. I'm going to see if she'd be willing to let me share it here - it's got some interesting bits and might help clarify some things.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:
Birth certificate is separate from everything else. When you get a court ordered name change, you can take that to the DMV, Social Security, pretty much anywhere and get your records updated with that. Birth certificate, you need to probably look into how your state handles it, which will probably involve picking up a form and going through that process.
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Thanks dovetaile and deut, that makes sense. I guess I just didn't think of it like that because of how decentralized everything is. 
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I find that it can be too easy to let oneself be sucked into your family's crazytown world if you're not careful and don't frequently back away from the situation. I'd just not go to the reunion, myself, but if you must, remember that you will hear things that as soon as you get some perspective on everything will basically sour how you view your family members for the rest of your life. Not that I speak from experience or anything......
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http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...54&pagenumber=1Cleopatra Barksdale posted:Ive been asking for like 6 months!!!!! Theyre hosed up!!!!! Theyre crazy!!!!! They need people who are (relatively) well-grounded to help them figure out whats a healthy assumption and whats a delusion!!!! Otherwise they're just going to take each other further and further down the schizophrenic rabbit hole and you might say "ahahha im 9 and that fuckin rules" yeah well guess what dickhorticulture it's only funny if they're reprimanded every once in a while!!!!!! Crazy serial killers are funny because we view them through the lens of justice rather than through the lens of their victims and IF YOU DIDNT NOTICE many serial killers latch onto hosed up emotional shitpiles like troons!!!!! WHat if we save a life ( *"wheEREE DIDD I ii OGOO WRRONNG" etc. plays* ) Yes, some assholes will be assholes but that will happen anywhere in real life particularly to a schizoaffective transsexual so it will help them in the long run anyways!!! Who knows maybe someday they'll say "You were right Dad. Thank you for standing by me" and guess what well be Dad!!!!!!!!!! WE WILL BE DAD IN THE PREVIOUS SENTENCE!!!!!!!! Thats enough to make DocEvil jealous. Well thats all I gotta say now, please be careful with one another and thanks for demodding Paulie, he is truly a piece of poo poo and if someone like him made fun of troons I would punch him so hard in the throat splinters of his FatNeck's vertebrae would be lodged in my BuffKnucks. What is this? Who is this person and why they hatin'? They made a similar post in the thread by WNXOddJob where CPS took his kids, but they signed that one "Mark Pomerantz III." I am thoroughly confused......
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Leopold N. Loeb posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...54&pagenumber=1 It's just FYAD being FYAD, it's not important.
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FYAD posts something inflammatory directed at other Something Awful posters. We'll have complete coverage of this story, plus weather and sports, after the break.
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Leopold N. Loeb posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...54&pagenumber=1 FYAD is a lovely place full of lovely people and the fact that it continues to exist confuses me to no end. It's really best to just ignore it.
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FYAD is basically the hangout of all those annoying high school teens that you see in theaters and malls that spout memes and are just a general disturbance. Ignore them. No better than 4chan.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:FYAD is basically the hangout of all those annoying high school teens that you see in theaters and malls that spout memes and are just a general disturbance. Ignore them. No better than 4chan. /b/ has much more amusing pics in between the porn. But if you're going to post terrible posts from the fyad thread on us, you can't skip over this one: quote:no. the reason these people are loathsome and not really even qualified to use the term "people" (especially the fakecripple airplane planker + supporters) is that they project litanies and litanies of problems, neuroses, syndromes and disorders onto a hole. it doesn't matter if they have it or not. what matters is that they think that getting this hole installed/removed will magically fix all of their underlying problems. most people are cordial and smile and nod upon hearing them talk about their life just as the doctors smiled tersely as they affixed a cosmetic bandage onto a gangrenous wound. it did not save the soldiers lives and it will not save the troons. the difference is the soldiers had to be loving exploded and eaten by outside invaders to get to this point physically. the troons just go on the computer to experience a self-inflicted dumbshot wound every single day and they wonder why they are ostracized and no one wants to hear their story. I agree, it doesn't matter what your genitals look like or what hole you're having removed/placed in, hence why I'm not so keen on vaginoplasty since the idea of them loving up and having those nerve endings not work anymore scares the crap out of me. That and the whole  x1,000 a thing puts kind of a damper on it.
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I do frequently wonder how much of the troon hate in FYAD is "ironic" and how much isn't. It's honestly hard to tell at times.
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Fyad just want's to help us through our troubled time we should thank them for the support.
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