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Well, since it's apparently still time for new thread introductions, I might as well take the opportunity to come back to the thread. Hi! I'm Valerie, a 26 year old trans woman, and I originally showed up in the TMT almost a year and a half ago now. Due to not having internet most of that time I've been very absent from the thread. I have been struggling with my gender for a very long time and it was only last year that I was even been able to accept that I might be trans, and only more recently have I accepted that I am transgender and that I am definitely going to pursue transition. I am currently married to my extremely accepting and supportive wife, who has been absolutely wonderful during my years of depression and more recently while I've been coming to terms with my situation. It just goes to show you that not every marriage has to go through some kind of crisis when one of the partners transitions. As of right now all I've been able to accomplish towards transition has been some cosmetic changes in appearance (longer hair, shaped eyebrows, etc) and I'm just beginning to build a decent wardrobe. I'm currently trying to get into some kind of therapy but since I live in West Virginia and our finances suck, my options are rather limited and I'm currently on a waiting list for therapy at my local university psych clinic. My immediate goals are to get past the strong anxiety and depression I've had the last few years, get a decent paying job, and put the money towards gamete storage (absolutely essential since we plan to have kids some day) and then hormones as soon as that's done. tl;dr - i'm a married 26 y/o trans woman in West Virginia, pre everything, no job, etc. So to contribute some content, I'm surprised I haven't seen mention of this in the last couple of threads, but there was a very encouraging survey released recently: quote:A recent survey found that approximately 9 out of 10 Americans, including strong majorities of all religious, believe that transgender people deserve the same rights and protections as other Americans. You can find the Survey results in PDF format here The results are quite encouraging, including one result showing 74% of respondents favored hate crime laws that protect gender identity.
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Guy Montag posted:You can find the Survey results in PDF format here ![]() I believe the public highly overestimates how well it understands trans people. Being for anti-discrimination laws is great, but public education and discourse has a long loving way to go. Octatonic fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2011 around 00:10 |
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Wow. Two thirds think they know and understand trans issues? Man, then why is it literally everyone I talk to that has no direct connection to a trans person has no friggin' clue? Talk about way overestimation.
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Serifina posted:Wow. Two thirds think they know and understand trans issues? Man, then why is it literally everyone I talk to that has no direct connection to a trans person has no friggin' clue? If 70% of people think they are above-average drivers, I can't say I am totally shocked on this info. Then again, I found that a lot of the people I've talked to were more knowledgeable than I thought they would be. Also I owe the thread a new intro post since that's the in thing to do now, but I'll do it later.
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Out of curiosity, do you (successfully transitioned) guys ever have days where you don't think about gender and are just happy living your life?
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Plutoidmoon posted:Out of curiosity, do you (successfully transitioned) guys ever have days where you don't think about gender and are just happy living your life? There is about to be a lot more of that in the future, I think.
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Redwolf posted:Queensland, the southeast somewhat less bogany area. Redwolf, are you anywhere near Brisbane? If you are, well, I'm not sure how helpful this is, but the Biala clinic on Roma street has a counseling service. I think it's mainly used for HIV+ counselling, but I got referred there for my psychiatric assessment, and they were very helpful, and also free. There are some kind of long waits involved, though, and I think you have to be referred there by a GP. Also, hello megathread! I'm Edmund, I'm an ftm from Brisbane, Australia, and I've been quietly following along with these threads for at least the last 3 iterations. If all goes well, I should be starting T in the next few weeks, and I'm rather thrilled about it.
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Serifina posted:Wow. Two thirds think they know and understand trans issues? Man, then why is it literally everyone I talk to that has no direct connection to a trans person has no friggin' clue? The fact that the survey was even done may do some tiny bit of good though. I work with some people who have never met a transperson, never knew anyone who was gay, etc. After meeting me, some of them came to me with questions and quoted statistics and things and I could tell they did some research because they wanted to understand. It's been nice to see people take an interest in educating themselves, though I just wish the HR director would take as much initiative.
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map of the cat posted:Redwolf, are you anywhere near Brisbane? Not far away. The clinic's website doesn't mention anything about counseling though, plus getting a referral from my GP would involve actually telling her. What did they do for you exactly? Octatonic posted:Survey Their 'understanding' is probably along the lines of "they're fags who want to be the other sex". Haven't met any people who thought differently unless they were directly involved somehow.
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Redwolf posted:Not far away. The clinic's website doesn't mention anything about counseling though, plus getting a referral from my GP would involve actually telling her. What did they do for you exactly? Counseling and psych assessment. And yes, their website's a bit of a clusterfuck. If I didn't have a family member in the medical profession asking his friends about it, I probably wouldn't have found them at all. Like I said, I'm not sure if it's actually useful information.
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map of the cat posted:No its good thanks i might go see them and see what they can offer. I need somethign but I don't know what to do anymore its all just so miserable and pointless and every one i try to reach ouyt to abandons me like i'm a freak and im so sick of it all.
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Plutoidmoon posted:Out of curiosity, do you (successfully transitioned) guys ever have days where you don't think about gender and are just happy living your life? I'm not yet "done" but I have been living as male for three years and... yeah. plenty. I have the occasional freakout still but much of the time I'm just doing my thing.
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I posted a link to the blogpost Lexical suggested to my roommate, a cis white gay dude who was defending the transphobia being posted on his wall. He's the LGBT org pres and politically minded, but despite this fact he decided to defriend and block me from Facebook with no warning or explanation. One would think he would be more diplomatic. I have a really hard time talking to him because he is quick to raise his voice and has views himself as correct in every situation. Does anyone have any advice? No one in the LGBT org is trans. I'm the only socially out trans person on campus. I'm afraid that this is going to polarize our mutual friends if I push this but the ongoing transphobia is too much.
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Go over his head to the school administration, if you can. If you can't, write the organization off. The LGBT organization at my alma mater was absolutely useless for anything the last year or so I was there-- I really have no idea how it managed to stay ratified when there was literally no-one interested in being on the executive when the only remaining members were going to be gone the next year.
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Bieeardo posted:Go over his head to the school administration, if you can. If you can't, write the organization off. The LGBT organization at my alma mater was absolutely useless for anything the last year or so I was there-- I really have no idea how it managed to stay ratified when there was literally no-one interested in being on the executive when the only remaining members were going to be gone the next year. I go to Baylor. I can't go to the administration. I do know a couple sympathetic professors who work with the org I can talk to about it if I need to.
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GuyIncognito! posted:All I can say to people is don't get so wrapped up in the physical minutia down to loving inches of stuff. Its incredibly stupid. Yes some physical things make it harder (a very masculine face for women, large hips for men etc.) but for the most part I still believe anyone at all can pass if they just work at it, especially all the the tiny tells, not in body but in actions and voice. Be a fantastic actor and physical issues for the most part become absolutely insignificant. Walk, talk, moving your arms, your hands, sitting, posture, speech patterns, facial expressions, cadence, gait, attitude, proper clothing etc. THESE are the things that will make or break passing, and they're things anyone can do with work, that have no baring on "oh god my shoulders are slightly bigger/smaller than would be average, oh god taller/shorter than average, oh god my hips are too small/big..." Be a great actor, and if that seems fake, eventually it won't feel like an act any more and, ta da, it stops becoming an act. And since 7 pages in people are still introducing themselves... why not me? Hi! I'm dawncloack and I'm your regular and even boring cis male. I appreciate a lot that these threads are around. First because I learn a lot, and second because, as I mentioned, my longest relationship was with a trans woman. That gave me a bit of awareness on the topic, but otherwise I wouldn't consider myself anything else than an ignorant. so... there. Cheers!
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Dr. Katie posted:I posted a link to the blogpost Lexical suggested to my roommate, a cis white gay dude who was defending the transphobia being posted on his wall. He's the LGBT org pres and politically minded, but despite this fact he decided to defriend and block me from Facebook with no warning or explanation. One would think he would be more diplomatic. I have a really hard time talking to him because he is quick to raise his voice and has views himself as correct in every situation. That was pretty mean of you to call attention to his privilege. Not really sure what you can do, though. He's already obviously defensive and in full petulant jerk mode, so I don't think there really IS much to be done.
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Dawncloack posted:Oh man, I needed to quote you because you are sooo right. One of my first girlfriends was a trans and she could pull this one off like a natural. It was only years down the road that I started noticing details and tying knots in my head (she didn't tell me, it was a hurtful topic to her). So yeah, I am not sure I have any practical advice, other than just forget about everything and be who you are. Self consciousness doesn't help in any situation (methinks). I'm willing to bet she wasn't a 6' tall amazon with broad shoulders (yeah i know i should shut up now). What details did you notice?
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Well, actually she totally was. Built as me, almost as tall as me (and I'm 6f) and all that stuff. I noticed a combination of things, you know? The plastic surgery she had had, the conspicuous lack of any childhood pictures, how much she knew about LGBT+ people (or rockstars' sexual disorders for that matter)... and there's also... well, her intimates were slightly different to what I had seen you know? But actually nothing clued me in like her voice. I mean, she had obviously worked on it a lot and she had a very, very nice voice. But my job is all about paying attention to people's voices all day long, so I finally picked up on that one too. Now if anyone wants to come out and say that I am blind and probably stupid... then I'll have to say yes. But please forgive me, I was young, it was my first long relationship... and drat did I love her.
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Dawncloack posted:Now if anyone wants to come out and say that I am blind and probably stupid... then I'll have to say yes. But please forgive me, I was young, it was my first long relationship... and drat did I love her. No no no. Shh. This is counterproductive. The point is that it's very possible for transwomen (and transmen) to blend flawlessly.
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Woooooops, point taken. Sorry for that. I'll edit that out if you think it's best. But hey, she blended in flawlessy for years, and I was having sex with her, so...
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How did you react when you figured it out? It seems quite dangerous on her part to have gone as far as having sex with you before telling you. But thanks anyway, I should say about 20 minutes before reading this post i was thinking of a way to kill myself with the items in my bedroom, now i have hope again, for tonight at least. The fact you fell in love with her without knowing her status and with her having a large build, has helped me with my fear of never having someone who loves me and dying alone. So yeah thanks a lot. One more thing i forgot to ask, how old was were you both and when did she transition?
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Plutoidmoon posted:How did you react when you figured it out? It seems quite dangerous on her part to have gone as far as having sex with you before telling you. poo poo, you just made me feel the weight of responsability there. This might surprise you, but I never reacted at all. Thing is, I figured out, but I realized it was an important and thorny subject, and that it would be best to wait until she broached it. In the meantime, I just didn't care, you know? She was my girl, we were having fun times, she was amazing, etc.etc. Years down the road we broke up, and the topic was never mentioned. And after the break up, well, mentioning it would have been even worse. So we never got around discussing that. We met when I was 22 and she was 27, and it lasted around 3.5 years. I think she transitioned at 18, as soon as she was allowed to by the law. She also had it paid up by the national healthcare system (she's from Italy). All that, of course, are extrapolations from things I was told, but without going into details I think that information is reliable. Hey, sincerely I hope you are ok. How are you hanging on?
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Plutoidmoon posted:Out of curiosity, do you (successfully transitioned) guys ever have days where you don't think about gender and are just happy living your life? yes. most days are like that for me.
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Hey there, new thread :3 I'm a transguy, 25, from Turku, Finland. I'm currently about halfway through the research period of my process, and if everything goes well (no reason it shouldn't), I'll get diagnosed as "uh-oh, it's actually a man" in February or March. After that, I'll go for the top surgery at a private clinic and start queuing for an appointment to the public hormone clinic (you can't get the first prescription privately, here). I'm actually doing quite well, living in an open-minded bubble socially, so pretty much everyone in my daily life accepts me as a guy and myself. I'm slightly less dysphoric than in the spring - it seems to come and go. Knowing it's not going to be forever helps. So much.
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Dawncloack posted:poo poo, you just made me feel the weight of responsability there. I'm fine for now, i'm just being a drama queen. just to be clear though, she was actually built like you wasn't she?
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That's really cool that you guys stayed together and her being trans didn't bother you in the least, but I am a bit surprised in the 3 and a half years you dated it never once came up? Ever?
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Plutoidmoon posted:How did you react when you figured it out? It seems quite dangerous on her part to have gone as far as having sex with you before telling you. Please see a therapist.
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Plutoidmoon posted:How did you react when you figured it out? It seems quite dangerous on her part to have gone as far as having sex with you before telling you. Not only are there people who don't notice, there are also people who don't care so please don't hang your self worth up on having to perfectly pass to a partner all the time. People love you for who you are, not for how well you blend in. Also, please see a therapist.
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Hey plutoidmoon Yeah, she was strongly built with wide shoulders and stuff. Never made a difference. And I do agree with the rest in this thread, please take care of yourself ![]() (And chalk me up in the "people who don't care" board). Dawncloack fucked around with this message at Nov 13, 2011 around 15:56 |
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:Please see a therapist. Echoing this. I don't care if it's gender issues or if it's the ending to the last Beavis and Butthead, if something's making you entertain suicidal thoughts, you NEED to see a therapist about it. There's alot out there for you to experience and learn, much of it good, some of it harrowing, and all of it will make your life a richer experience, but only if you're there for it. And look, the point of transitioning is to make your life bearable enough that you're not having those kinds of thoughts. The possibility of being a pretty pretty princess just makes it a little easier, or makes that bearable life feel a little more like a reward for making it through all this poo poo. You may or may not get that added bonus -- it will require both luck and effort -- but that just means that you DEFINITELY won't get it if you don't try.
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Don't worry everyone i do have an appointment for counseling on the 24th, its just waiting for it thats hard. I think the reason I'm so rapped up in passing is that when i first realized i might be trans (12) i already passed as a girl and sort of placed my happiness on that. Now that i know that i probably won't, i'm really scared of the whole thing. I always thought i would be able to look in the mirror one day and see the person i really am staring back but that seems very unlikely now. I can't help but blame myself for not acting sooner. I really don't want a bearable life, i just want to be happy.
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Plutoidmoon posted:Don't worry everyone i do have an appointment for counseling on the 24th, its just waiting for it thats hard. Getting it to be bearable is the first step though. And trust me, everyone stares in the mirror and wants to cry at first. I sure had my share of breakdowns over never being able to pass. Yeah, it's easy to say and hard to believe, but I'm sure you'll be fine. Maybe you won't be a pretty princess (god knows I'm not) but neither will many ciswomen and that's fine. Coming to terms with yourself is as much part of transitioning as the physical changes. But good god do those help. You'll see.
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This is why I don't have any mirrors. I even try to avoid looking at the one in my bathroom, and I'm cursed with a serious need to shave. I don't even use the mirror for that. It's too drat depressing for me.
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For me, it's not so much avoiding mirrors at all times. I don't really look up in the mirror if I've just woken up and look like a mess, because I'm going to look my worst. But I often stand in front of my bedroom mirror for a few minutes looking at my build, looking at my face and saying..."ok, is there ANY way I could look like a girl?" And sort of trying my damndest to look at what I have and say "ok maybe I'm not that bad off." (yeah right) It's when I see my reflection in public...next to cis women and myself in comparison....what's when I get depressed.Plutoidmoon posted:I think the reason I'm so rapped up in passing is that when i first realized i might be trans (12) i already passed as a girl and sort of placed my happiness on that. Now that i know that i probably won't, i'm really scared of the whole thing. I always thought i would be able to look in the mirror one day and see the person i really am staring back but that seems very unlikely now. I can't help but blame myself for not acting sooner. Sucks, doesn't it? I didn't know until I was 17, so that was a total kick in the pants, but I still curse myself for not knowing sooner. Lemme tell ya, if I had known before puberty, I'd probably (generally) be happy as a clam that I could do something about it and not be stuck looking like some in between half gendered weirdo the rest of my days and feeling completely hopeless. How does such a cute kid become such an ugly adult? (answer: Testosterone) LemonLimeTime fucked around with this message at Nov 14, 2011 around 00:05 |
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LemonLimeTime posted:For me, it's not so much avoiding mirrors at all times. I don't really look up in the mirror if I've just woken up and look like a mess, because I'm going to look my worst. But I often stand in front of my bedroom mirror for a few minutes looking at my build, looking at my face and saying..."ok, is there ANY way I could look like a girl?" And sort of trying my damndest to look at what I have and say "ok maybe I'm not that bad off." (yeah right) It's when I see my reflection in public...next to cis women and myself in comparison....what's when I get depressed. This is pretty much exactly what i do except i try and push my shoulder muscles down to see if maybe they atrophied slightly, what they would look like. I don't think shoulder muscles really do get smaller on hrt do they?
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Plutoidmoon posted:This is pretty much exactly what i do except i try and push my shoulder muscles down to see if maybe they atrophied slightly, what they would look like. I don't think shoulder muscles really do get smaller on hrt do they. Couldn't tell ya, since I'm not on HRT yet, but it honestly varies from person to person. The whole YMMV bag of poo poo and bricks that makes the whole thing seem like a goddamn game of craps rather than something that will actually help. That, and the fact I'm basically a human rail, so I doubt there's much muscle there to begin with, so I'm pretty hosed in that department.
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Plutoidmoon posted:This is pretty much exactly what i do except i try and push my shoulder muscles down to see if maybe they atrophied slightly, what they would look like. I don't think shoulder muscles really do get smaller on hrt do they? Your muscles will get less toned and you will gain a layer of fat. Your bone structure will not change but your shoulders will still look different. You can also walk/hold yourself differently to make your shoulders seem less broad.
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LemonLimeTime posted:Couldn't tell ya, since I'm not on HRT yet, but it honestly varies from person to person. The whole YMMV bag of poo poo and bricks that makes the whole thing seem like a goddamn game of craps rather than something that will actually help. Holy crap you are me aren't you? I honestly don't think i have that much to lose either because my bones already stick out in that area
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