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Calvervtutrp posted:Hey everyone, hope you don't mind if I jump in here with a question. So, my older sibling who lives allll the way across the country recently came out, just to me and our little brother for now, as a transwoman. She just started hormones and has been learning to apply makeup, and I was thinking about getting her some nice makeup for christmas since I know she can't afford much. Only problem is, I've always been a tomboy and never wear makeup! I have no idea what to get. I was thinking a basic, but good quality, makeup set and/or some good foundation? She gets dark, and fairly thick, facial hair, so could I get her something to help with that? I honestly have no idea what I'm doing here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is the best foundation I have ever tried no contest. And they have free samples! You and your sister probably have the same undertones so maybe try ordering a few of the sample packs? http://www.everydayminerals.com/store/try-me-free.html To give you an idea of how well this stuff works, I have burns on my face from a steam accident several years ago and I'm a keloid former. This stuff covers up the red all day. Their brushes are really good too. They don't test on animals either which is always nice
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Teabiscuit posted:Fyad just want's to help us through our troubled time we should Fixed. (What's with the airplane planker thing?) Have people really expressed a belief in a 'grand medical conspiracy' or whatever? fake edit: ^^ Ooh, thanks for that Olga
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A story to put a smile on your face. A transwoman wanted to try on some clothes at Macy's, and the salesbitch tried to keep her from using the women's dressing room. She and her friends complained to a manager, and the salesbitch got fired on the spot.  Even better, this happened in San Antonio, Texas. I'm reluctant to include a link, as I tried to find one that wasn't on the side of the salesbitch, who is now suing for 'religious discrimination', but here it is. http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?PID=14100&PRID=1133 I apologize for linking something so ugly and transphobic, but its the only detailed article I could find.
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Thanks Robo Olga, that stuff looks great. I ordered a few things. Unfortunately I'm literally on the opposite side of the country from her right now, so I can't take her into a makeup shop, but we have the exact same coloring so that should help. I'll find something. 
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WrathofKhan posted:A story to put a smile on your face. A transwoman wanted to try on some clothes at Macy's, and the salesbitch tried to keep her from using the women's dressing room. She and her friends complained to a manager, and the salesbitch got fired on the spot. Being Texas she could win the case. Otherwise I don't see how being told to leave someone alone, and then fired for insisting to interfere could be religious discrimination.
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WrathofKhan posted:Wow, you weren't kidding about that article. Umm, don't read it if you're having a bad day, ok?
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quiggy posted:I do frequently wonder how much of the troon hate in FYAD is "ironic" and how much isn't. It's honestly hard to tell at times. It's the issue with any kind of "ironic" discrimination. Regardless of intent, you end up giving a platform and safe haven for the douchebags who actually mean it. If someone's putting that much effort into it, though, it's safe to say they're in the latter category.
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There's really no point in getting upset about FYAD, I've seen better posts about gender theory in GBS. If anyone is reading that thread and really does feel bad about what they say, please keep in mind that they have no idea what they're on about and you're welcome to get in touch with anyone in the superfriends list or IRC to talk about it. Also most of it is the aforementioned Cleopatra Barksdale who I am pretty sure is Autism Sundae who has an unhealthy fascination with trans people. Creepers gotta creep. Boten Anna fucked around with this message at Dec 6, 2011 around 04:20 |
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quiggy posted:Wow, you weren't kidding about that article. Umm, don't read it if you're having a bad day, ok? "why can't you have 'tolerance' for my intolerance?!" Or, "my insane beliefs trump the policy of my employer and entitle me to arbitrarily fail to perform my assigned duties" With some hardcore misgendering. Early, explicitly and endlessly.
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In other news, wore a skirt to work today and it was awesome 
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Boten Anna posted:There's really no point in getting upset about FYAD, I've seen better posts about gender theory in GBS. If anyone is reading that thread and really does feel bad about what they say, please keep in mind that they have no idea what they're on about and you're welcome to get in touch with anyone in the superfriends list or IRC to talk about it. I can assure you that CB and AS are different people, and they are both quite intelligent. I'll pause while you laugh at that previous sentence. I think their concerns stem from the fact that this thread can be perceived as an island, in that anyone who attempts to offer an opinion that strays from reinforcing the self-diagnosis of confused individuals is shouted down with cries of "BIGOT!" or "IGNORANT!". I think what they worry about is that a person with gender identity issues may immediately latch onto this thread, and be quickly convinced that genital surgery and hormone replacement therapy are the only solutions to their problem, despite the fact that a few months of psychological counseling may reconcile their issues. The issue is not that everyone in this thread is wrong and stupid, because that isn't it at all. The issue is that some fyad posters (that some of you seem to get really worked up about) are concerned that the solutions offered in this thread have become rather myopic, and someone may be convinced to follow a path that isn't exactly right for them. I'm not passing judgment, I'm just trying to resolve a bit of the confusion that has grown from the perpetuity of fyad threads regarding transgender issues. Fyad doesn't hate you. And you're free to think that we're all awful bigots, but the general consensus is that fyad is worried that someone could be led into making decisions that aren't right for them, and wind up spending the rest of their lives regretting what they did because of advice they got on the internet.
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I don't know, some of them definitely don't seem to care to that level and are more concerned with ridicule! Maybe their level of caring is obscured by all the irony but some of the stuff they are saying seems pretty bigoted regardless of the intent. (Cis ally here, so I could be wrong, but that's how it came off to me!)
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Stud Party posted:Fyad doesn't hate you. And you're free to think that we're all awful bigots, but the general consensus is that fyad is worried that someone could be led into making decisions that aren't right for them, and wind up spending the rest of their lives regretting what they did because of advice they got on the internet. FYAD does not need to be my parents, as my actual parents are good enough.
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Stud Party posted:Fyad doesn't hate you. And you're free to think that we're all awful bigots, but the general consensus is that fyad is worried that someone could be led into making decisions that aren't right for them, and wind up spending the rest of their lives regretting what they did because of advice they got on the internet. I'm pretty sure no one in this thread has ever told anyone that they should go on hormones or have surgery if they haven't already expressed that themselves. If they hear about people doing those things and decide that they have to, that's on them. We do give advice on how they can make those things happen if they choose to.
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Stud Party posted:I can assure you that CB and AS are different people, and they are both quite intelligent. I'll pause while you laugh at that previous sentence. I think their concerns stem from the fact that this thread can be perceived as an island, in that anyone who attempts to offer an opinion that strays from reinforcing the self-diagnosis of confused individuals is shouted down with cries of "BIGOT!" or "IGNORANT!". I think what they worry about is that a person with gender identity issues may immediately latch onto this thread, and be quickly convinced that genital surgery and hormone replacement therapy are the only solutions to their problem, despite the fact that a few months of psychological counseling may reconcile their issues. I see that there's some genuine care there maybe but it's not really FYAD's place to tell trans people how they should feel. Society at large does a decent enough job telling trans people that they're freaks, broken, full of poo poo, and that their feelings aren't valid, and nothing being said in FYAD is anything new or revolutionary or not on most trans people's minds all the loving time. The SA trans community has always done a rather wonderful job of calling out people who think that having their genitals inversed will solve all their problems, and is probably one of the most conservative I've ever seen with regards to talking people down from thinking they need breast implants or facial feminization surgery who really don't need it (and when it is necessary, not going overboard). And as for like, most of the things CB posts, I'm not sure what they propose to do that hasn't been tried. If one could therapy one's way out of being transgender, that would be the option pretty much all trans people go for. However, as every study on the matter has found, the only "cure" for being transgender is transition. It's the only thing that markedly lowers the suicide rate and raises the quality of life for transgender people. Basically, it's great that they seem to care, but maybe they should bother to actually read the thread and try to understand trans people and trans issues rather than barge in and tell everyone how they think everyone else should feel. There ARE issues with and there is dumb bullshit in the transgender community both here and elsewhere, but the alleged problems being posted in FYAD are very far off of reality.
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Boten Anna posted:
I wasn't attempting to comment on actual transgender issues, because I am not as informed as I should be, I just wanted to address the perception that fyad hates "trannies" and we think you're all gross and broken. It is easy to come to that conclusion, because the general level of discourse in fyad is that of an oblivious, insensitive 12 year old, but several posters from this thread have made posts in fyad over the previous months and years. Outside of a few flailing morons, no one in fyad is trying to tell you how to feel. My only point is that I think it is bad for both communities to foster hatred towards one another, because I am sure that we could both benefit from sincere intelligent discourse, even if we make really immature jokes at each others' expense. Now you can tell me that you don't need fyad and you're perfectly content to post in every forum that isn't fyad, which is fine. But I think we'd both be doing ourselves a disservice if we completely disregarded each other because we think The Other is stupid and has nothing of insight to offer.
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I don't know, when FYADers are telling a womanKurper posted:shut up you enjoyable human being tranny bitch then I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that they have nothing of insight to offer. No one is going to waste their time rummaging for any tiny scraps of advice in the huge pile of horseshit. Also is "sincere intelligent discource" even possible in that kind of environment?
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What insights, exactly, do "oblivious, insensitive 12 year olds" have to offer?
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Speaking as someone who considers themselves a trans ally and who's been observing some of this, something that's important to remember is that CleopatraBarksdale/rory defended him/herself by saying that it was "troons" being made fun of rather than the transgendered as a whole. You could easily say that that's functionally bullshit, but it is an acknowledgment that sincerely hating the transgendered is unacceptable, which is a pretty broad step, even if FYAD in general still focuses mainly on "lol look at these pics" with regards to the transgendered, there's still that idea that it's a bad thing to hate the transgendered, which is a bit further than society as a whole is at, to be honest.
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Stud Party posted:I can assure you that CB and AS are different people, and they are both quite intelligent. I'll pause while you laugh at that previous sentence. I think their concerns stem from the fact that this thread can be perceived as an island, in that anyone who attempts to offer an opinion that strays from reinforcing the self-diagnosis of confused individuals is shouted down with cries of "BIGOT!" or "IGNORANT!". I think what they worry about is that a person with gender identity issues may immediately latch onto this thread, and be quickly convinced that genital surgery and hormone replacement therapy are the only solutions to their problem, despite the fact that a few months of psychological counseling may reconcile their issues. yeah its mostly like the nocarb/lowcarb debacle with sizzlechest. reducto ad absurdium via internet. wherein some people reduced their diets to only bacon and beef = therefore lowcarb, = therefore healthy. that being said, although i understand the underlying logic/approach/intended perspective, it's two different issues that can't totally be compared. But, i agree with Boten Anna and that "fostering hate" is kind of a misnomer when this thread is generally content to ignore FYAD, but FYAD seems to come knocking for attention? Whatever, but. goons.
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Stud Party posted:I wasn't attempting to comment on actual transgender issues, because I am not as informed as I should be, I just wanted to address the perception that fyad hates "trannies" and we think you're all gross and broken. It is easy to come to that conclusion, because the general level of discourse in fyad is that of an oblivious, insensitive 12 year old, but several posters from this thread have made posts in fyad over the previous months and years. I was posting more in response to the FYAD thread than to you, so please don't take anything I said too personally  My disappointment with the current FYAD thread is that it is not very funny or interesting. There have been some good trans threads in FYAD, but this one sounds like a bad GBS thread. A bunch of cisgender people posting about how messed up trans people are and that they could like, totally come in to this thread and show everyone the light with the power of bootstraps and a positive mental attitude is tedious and boring at best, and offensive and vile at worst. Pretty much all of us here are aware of our situation and the stark realities of it, and a good portion of us have pretty similar attitudes about, say, Jessica Sideways, or people who think it's a good idea to post one's pre-transition picture on "gently caress Yeah Cute Trans Chicks" sporting a full beard, 300 lbs of excess weight, bad acne, and in a skimpy cocktail dress. I've also appreciated the FYAD posters that have posted in the current thread indicating their disapproval of where it's going. The current thread is just really bad. And it's mostly because of CB.
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Stud Party posted:I can assure you that CB and AS are different people, and they are both quite intelligent. I'll pause while you laugh at that previous sentence. I think their concerns stem from the fact that this thread can be perceived as an island, in that anyone who attempts to offer an opinion that strays from reinforcing the self-diagnosis of confused individuals is shouted down with cries of "BIGOT!" or "IGNORANT!". I think what they worry about is that a person with gender identity issues may immediately latch onto this thread, and be quickly convinced that genital surgery and hormone replacement therapy are the only solutions to their problem, despite the fact that a few months of psychological counseling may reconcile their issues. Fair enough, but I'm not really sure that's really a big thing to be worried about. I don't think anyone is going to go JDR because of the existence of this thread, and I'm not sure that this thread has ever advocated not seeking psychological counselling regarding the issue. The thread was a good resource for me, and I went out of my way to find a therapist that would neither roadblock or rubber stamp me. Also, even if the guy in question I'm referring to qualifies as one of the "flailing idiots", it's pretty hard to take someone referring to transpeople as fundamentally loathsome and unworthy of being called people as having a valid concern about a non-trans person making a mistake. Maybe it's just the nature of the forum, but I don't think you can blame people for getting worked up and thinking fyad is bigoted when you have vicious, ignorant poo poo like that floating around the people who are snarky yet concerned.
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I honestly would like a link to a post that addresses these misunderstood FYAD posters who just want to help people who might not need to transition. I'm not saying its there or not, I just think that's weird thing for FYAD to be concerned about.
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Stud Party posted:stuff I understand that concern. If you read pretty much any post in that thread I doubt that's the point they're trying to make, though. But even assuming it is, asking a trans person to consider the status quo isn't productive in the slightest. Would you ask a gay person, "Well, have you ever considered that you weren't gay?" Of course they have, nobody naturally assumes they something abnormal. I guarantee you every queer person has debated this in their head their whole life before coming to their conclusion. So even if they're deluded, FYAD isn't going to set them straight. But these threads were better before they got moved to e/n. Move it to LP imo. Red Ryder fucked around with this message at Dec 6, 2011 around 09:55 |
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Stud Party posted:I think it is bad for both communities to foster hatred towards one another, because I am sure that we could both benefit from sincere intelligent discourse, even if we make really immature jokes at each others' expense. Seriously, everyone who posts regularly in this thread needs to stop being so judgemental re: fyad. I'm sure the truth is in the middle and we can all just get along 
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Hi, how is this thread the one being judgemental? Considering that thread basically told people that they're hosed up and all that. I think it is a little hypocritical of you to say that. Hth e: some of the people there seem to mean well maybe but you can't expect everyone to be cool with it when there are genuine assholes in there 
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Hey, so more on-topic, anyone with money issues might want to look at the legitimate online moneymaking thread, especially Leapforce. I did work for them for a while and you don't need much in the way of qualifications.
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:Hey, so more on-topic, anyone with money issues might want to look at the legitimate online moneymaking thread, especially Leapforce. I did work for them for a while and you don't need much in the way of qualifications. Do any of these pay actual money though or am I going to get 50 checks for 70 cents each?
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Amused to Death posted:Do any of these pay actual money though or am I going to get 50 checks for 70 cents each? Leapforce is legit. There was an actual application process and tax forms that I had to fill out. They pay around $13 per hour as I remember.
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Effectronica posted:Speaking as someone who considers themselves a trans ally and who's been observing some of this, something that's important to remember is that CleopatraBarksdale/rory defended him/herself by saying that it was "troons" being made fun of rather than the transgendered as a whole. You could easily say that that's functionally bullshit, but it is an acknowledgment that sincerely hating the transgendered is unacceptable, which is a pretty broad step, even if FYAD in general still focuses mainly on "lol look at these pics" with regards to the transgendered, there's still that idea that it's a bad thing to hate the transgendered, which is a bit further than society as a whole is at, to be honest. let's not nickel-and-dime these people into decent standing. They're morons.
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that reminds me, a pretty broad step is something I really ought to work on 
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Horrible Disturbing What The gently caress Video/Article Of The Day: http://lgbtweekly.com/2011/12/03/ra...aught-on-video/ gently caress the police, always and forever.
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Collaterly Sisters posted:let's not nickel-and-dime these people into decent standing. They're morons. Oh, no, I agree that the majority of opinions in the thread, ironic or serious, are pretty bad. But it's a pretty good societal thing, kinda like how people conceal their hatred of racial minorities instead of outright saying it. It shows that people are recognizing that bigotry is wrong, even if they're just moving on to pretending that their opinions aren't bigoted. Progress.
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^That thread is pretty much the opposite of progress
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Effectronica posted:Oh, no, I agree that the majority of opinions in the thread, ironic or serious, are pretty bad. But it's a pretty good societal thing, kinda like how people conceal their hatred of racial minorities instead of outright saying it. It shows that people are recognizing that bigotry is wrong, even if they're just moving on to pretending that their opinions aren't bigoted. Progress. No one claims that bigotry is fine, even bigots. In fact the entire problem with bigotry is that the bigot generally does "pretend that their opinions aren't bigoted". It's when people recognize those opinions as bigotry and are ashamed enough to hold them that they don't speak of them in the open that progress can be considered to have been made. I bet racists in the 40s didn't think their opinions were bigoted and had no problem talking about them openly.
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Welp now they are going through my post history I shouldn't have bothered arguing with them I guess. I will probably not post anymore about this because I feel like I'm wasting my time
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Jesoteric posted:Welp now they are going through my post history Don't post in fyad if you can't take the consequences like mutilated man/girl
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Teabiscuit posted:Don't post in fyad ftfy
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I know I know I'm a loving idiot etc. will not do again
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Fyad is a really nice friendly place if you know how to work it
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