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teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Why hello there new thread. Lurker reintroduction here: Mid-30's MtF who went through the worst parts of transition in her early 20's. I know about the pros and cons of self-medding, going full-time before getting a doctor's supervision, and fighting tooth and nail against the system, sometimes from within the belly of the beast. I'm both the perfect example of a "bootstraps success story" and an extreme opponent against those who would exclaim bootstraps. I tend to lurk, but I'll pipe in to respond to questions or to repeat what has been my mantra when dealing with the baseline public: "Magneto was right." Just got married a couple months ago, and my wives are sending me back to college in the spring. To be honest, going back to school has me more nervous than transition ever did.

Yahoo: goddessinsilver
Twitter: Sovereignhope

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teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Today's E/N trans bullshit post:

Today I went to a workshop that was supposed to help me pick out a major and figure out what classes to take (after 12 years, I'm going back to college). The workshop itself was alright, but the advisor that was presenting managed to piss me off by repeatedly using the wrong pronouns to me despite me correcting her (kindly at first, but I almost got to the point of growling it).

Messing up a pronoun once is an honest mistake. Two, I get it: I'm taller than the guys are, and I look a little strange. 6 times in a workshop of 5 people? gently caress you and the horse you rode in on.

Magneto was right.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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MageMage posted:

I was thinking about selling it all and gently caress off to San Francisco but then I thought, "I'm going to find bigotry no matter where I go, will San Francisco be any different?". What I feel is, SF is a giant melting pot, and people can be bigots anywhere. What makes San Francisco any different?

I actually thought about "What kind of worth can someone have as a tranny down in The City. Well, I could strip at a tranny strip joint, or work at the tranny restaurant. There it is, that is the big "acceptance" that can be had as the kind of person you are in the city. I would do it but hell, what exactly is there in the city besides that? The bearded lady can't make a buck these days. Yeah, maybe it might be easier to be a bank teller or a barista or janitor, but can it really be considered an opportunity just because it is available in an area that is "more accepting"?

To a lot of people, it is a stereotype that San Francisco is THE place to be if you are any at all queer. Is that really true? I've visited numerous times, I lived there for a little while actually, but unless I was looking completely in the wrong direction, it was difficult to find acceptance in the first place. Was I doing something wrong? Do I have to preen the Castro district? Because I'd rather not....

As somebody who has lived in a few different portions of the Bay Area, I can tell you this:

SF proper is no place to be if you don't already have steady employment first. Alot of the folks in SF or Oakland assume that all trans* people are the kinds in the Tenderloin district, which means that everybody will assume you are either a sex worker or a shoplifter. Stick to the southern portions of the Bay Area, like San Jose or the peninsula, where the rent is much cheaper, a better variety of jobs are available, and you'll be treated slightly closer to everybody else, though you will still run into asshats every so often.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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This makes me feel so lucky that almost all of the doctors I've had have had extensive experience with trans patients. The only one I had that didn't was a GP I got saddled with on an HMO shortly after I got fixed, and I let her believe that I had a very early hysterectomy, and told her what I was on and that it just needs to stay that way.

And a thousand times yes on the "successful trans* people are invisible" bandwagon.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:

Please see a therapist.

Echoing this. I don't care if it's gender issues or if it's the ending to the last Beavis and Butthead, if something's making you entertain suicidal thoughts, you NEED to see a therapist about it. There's alot out there for you to experience and learn, much of it good, some of it harrowing, and all of it will make your life a richer experience, but only if you're there for it.

And look, the point of transitioning is to make your life bearable enough that you're not having those kinds of thoughts. The possibility of being a pretty pretty princess just makes it a little easier, or makes that bearable life feel a little more like a reward for making it through all this poo poo. You may or may not get that added bonus -- it will require both luck and effort -- but that just means that you DEFINITELY won't get it if you don't try.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Serifina posted:

This is why I don't have any mirrors. I even try to avoid looking at the one in my bathroom, and I'm cursed with a serious need to shave. I don't even use the mirror for that. It's too drat depressing for me.

(insert vampire joke here)

AngryRobotsInc posted:

I wondered how everyone else deals with doctors and the such, pretransition. Not like how you're treated. But the questions they ask. Like for transmen, being asked if there's a possibility you might be pregnant. I absolutely hate it, because that just sort of throws it in my face.

I'm MtF, but I've always answered such questions with either "I'm, uh, kinda broken" (to the last period question) or "I'm fixed and don't swing that way anyway" (to any pregnancy-related Q's).

AngryRobotsInc posted:

The other thing is, I'm going to Mass with my mom next Saturday. And it got me wondering. The Catholic church, from a Vatican standpoint, is very not pro-trans. But I don't want to give it up. It's what I grew up with, and even though I'm agnostic now (though still spiritual, so an agnostic theist I guess), Mass is a comfort to me. What I was wondering was if there was anyone else here who belong to a religion where the not pro-trans attitude was the case?

I think around it in a way that I think has a lot to do with me being a relatively young Catholic. It's a common view in my generation to kind of think of the Vatican as that elderly relative that you go to for advice, but sometimes (a lot of the time) you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. All the things said about trans indivuduals come from man in Catholic dogma, not God, and they can always be wrong. And in the US, we are very divorced from what the Vatican says, especially about sexual and gender issues. The statistics for how many US Catholics support things like same-sex marriage, and equal rights for trans indviduals is higher than any Protestant church (about 74% for the first, and 93% for the second).

Several friends of mine in different backgrounds simply found other churches to be more welcoming of queer people in general and/or trans people in specific. One would joke about being Presbyterian as "all of the pageantry of Catholicism but none of the guilt."

Even before I transitioned, to say that I felt uncomfortable in any house of worship was an understatement. I felt as though I was in a bubble and that the very air was exuding pressure upon that bubble, with a simple but blunt message of "You don't belong here. Leave immediately." The only places where I didn't feel that pressure was at Universalist-Unitarian churches, where I still had the bubble, but it felt like a gas-permeable one instead.

I coincided several steps of my spiritual journeys along with steps in my transition. I coincided my GRS with one of the major steps of my spiritual awakenings. When I was preparing for GRS, I asked for blessings from as many different faiths as possible, speaking with a UU pastor, a Catholic priest, an Asatru priestess, and so on. Since receiving the blessings, I haven't felt the feeling of pressure/compulsion to leave sacred places anymore, though I still feel more aware of my personal space bubble in most holy spaces. It's as though the voice that was previously saying "You don't belong here" was now saying "A person of a different faith is still a person of faith, and shall be treated accordingly. Come and go as you wish."

tl;dr version: You will need to come to terms with whatever your spirituality is, but if you do so, you will find comfort somewhere. It may be within your original dogma, or it may be in another. In the words of a video game I've played, "May you find your True Path."

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Serifina posted:

Weeeeak. :p

(To be honest, I fit it - I'm drat pale, too, I avoid the sunlight, etc etc... but that also makes me a gamer geek of the worst caliber. )

At least you don't sparkle.

Plutoidmoon posted:

i just re-came out to my mum, she was pretty accepting but also emphasized going slow. but I'm pretty happy now that i can talk to someone in real life.

This could go either way. I've heard some people whose parents had the same words in their reaction, but for them, any action was suddenly "too fast" for the parent to handle. As you work with your therapists, you'll find the path and speed that's right for you. Y'know, just like driving. Just be careful for the parallel parking test. That one always tripped me up.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Guy Montag posted:

My skin is very similar and one good thing I've heard about this skin type is that it tends to be an indication that laser treatments should be able to work for you quite well! The higher the contrast between hair and skin color the easier time the laser has of doing it's job.

This. A combination of dark hair and pale skin has a tendency to have much better results with laser hair removal, so a few rounds with this should work wonders. It did for me. Though I still shave daily, it's mostly because I hate that prickly feel on my skin. /After laser, hair doesn't become noticeable for a couple days, when it used to be noticable after six hours or so, even underneath foundation.

Also, people who are much better at makeup than myself will know the specifics, but there are "blemish reducers" that you can apply underneath (or along with) your foundation that will also reduce the appearance of hair shadow. You may think it wierd when you first see the remover: it tends to be either a mint or blueish color, but it deals with the combination of remover color + hair color + foundation color = a foundation that does not show the hair much.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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LemonLimeTime posted:

I swear, if bone structure could somehow be changed, age wouldn't mean poo poo anymore and they'd be a whole lot less problems overall with being trans. (see: almost none)

Yes, I'm aware there are those who look unmistakably perfect and happy who started later. I know of one person who started at 29 and that's her case. But honestly, for most of those people, they're usually feminine or pretty guys to begin with, and that isn't me. There is this absolute train wreck of a girl who frequents the support group I go to, who has been on HRT for 19 months and still doesn't even come close to looking like a girl. The more I think about it, the more I see her awful features on myself, and the more I realize I doubt I'll ever pass, nevermind look like a pretty woman. Hell, teh winner's earlier post basically confirms even being pretty doesn't guarentee you'll pass, which just makes me think, what's the loving point of this, honestly? I'd like to go a single day without having to think about gender and not have this terrible cloud over my head, but I suppose that would be asking for too much in my life.

*sigh* What my post was confirming was that bring pretty and passing aren't supposed to be goals. The goal is to live life on your own terms. You can be beautiful without passing, or vice versa, or both, or neither; and still have that sense of self-worth that allows you to keep putting one foot in front of the other every day. In the end, the single most important thing is that will to keep on fighting. Passing privilege is merely a tool that can make it a little easier to not have your trans thrown in your face as often. Beauty is something which can be used to either increase your confidence or provide an advantage in some social situations.

Amused to Death posted:

Fact: pretty =/= passing. There is also no objective definition of pretty and pretty =/= being a woman.

Besides why be pretty when you can be elegant.

This.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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LemonLimeTime posted:

Granted, I totally look at the positive with the negative. But a lot of it is like "oh those who transitioned well and are happy look better and have better body structure than me anyways" etc etc. It's the usual beating myself up because I feel like I got screwed in the genetics ballot.

It's one of those rare opportunities where I get to say "Magneto was right" in a humourous context!

But yeah, been there, done that. I've known people who started incredibly early, or had supportive families, and what I've learned from them is simply that it's a different set of bullshit they gotta slog through. It's neither better nor worse; it just simply is.

As you progress through things, you may find passing or beauty to be easier than you thought they were. You may even find the effort for either to be worth it (or not worth it; for example, I don't bother with makeup anymore unless it's a formal occasion. Beauty has been bullshit for me ever since I had enough laser that I no longer needed foundation to cover facial hair). As for passing, it usually isn't a problem, though I still have times when my tran is thrown in my face. I take it along with life's other ups and downs, and so will you, I think, in time.

Oh and regarding the self-medding possibility, while it is important to be under a doctor's supervision, if push comes to shove, there are some fairly inexpensive places to get your stuff. To confirm, you're in the US, right? Back when I was without health insurance, I found some places that were cheaper than the local Walgreens and didn't ask for a prescription. If you don't already know of them, PM me and I'll see what I can dig up.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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louis friend posted:



For some reason, I'm reminded of Beavis's critique on Korn's "Blind."

I think that the problem with this shitpost is that it is highly derivative of many popular genuine posters in the thread. What louis friend has in groove, the troll lacks in originality. One is reminded of goons such as --

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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KryonikMessiah posted:

Is it normal to feel this damned guilty/torn between wanting to be yourself and wanting to be who your loved ones expect you to be? I'm kind of regretting that it took me this many years to stop, well, surpressing my thoughts, but I do want to ideally be happy .

Perfectly normal. You've spent over twenty years conforming to other people's views of what you should be. Of course the thoughts of being yourself are going to be a bit daunting. It's normal, and will eventually fade as time goes on. You're doing this mainly so you can survive, but really so that you can thrive.

Redwolf posted:

So out of the blue my flatmate wants me to leave because he isn't comfortable with some of the things I do in my private life. He didn't come out and say it, and I was too upset to press him on it, but its almost certainly because he found out about me being trans. Odds are one of the little Judas' I came out to told him, though I have no idea why save wanting to screw with my life for some reason.

People really do just hate us, don't they? I guess because i'm too ugly and too much of a goddamn coward to be publicly out I haven't experienced any of this firsthand aside from my friends ditching me.

But as soon as he finds out about this his response is to throw me out on my arse because suddenly i'm just this freak he can't stand to be around. gently caress this life so hard.

Magneto was right. I lost nearly all of my friends from my old life when I either came out to them or was outed against my will to everybody else (Long story, not pleasant table conversation). It's those few who stick by you that will really show you what true friends are. This guy is just being an rear end in a top hat and, even before he revealed himself as such, was merely using you for some tax-free income. Looks like it's time to start house-hunting again, but this time get any rentals in writing. It reduces the variables of "will this person be a shithead" when you have a written agreement of money for roof.

Showcase SHODAN posted:

I've gotten this from several family members. I've even had my parents tell me that I need to stop "making it all about me" when explaining trans stuff to them, that I don't realize how hard it is for them.

And then the whole business where they act like you just decided this on a whim, that you're fickle or unstable because it's the first they've heard about it and they can't take you at your word that this isn't new for you because, well, you're obviously crazy.

My parents tried to ignore it, but merely created an elephant in the room where you know we can't talk about anything but the uneasiness made us unable to stand minutes in the same room together. Strange that the rest of my family saw it as a non-issue instead, leading to some mood whiplash regarding my thoughts of relatives.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Collaterly Sisters posted:

I just gotta stress that the intersectionality issues are the same anywhere. SF has been good to me as a white, educated, upper-middle class trans woman. It's not so good for a lot of other trans people.

I agree with this statement. How good the Bay area is depends vastly upon what you bring into it. SF proper will chew you up and spit you out if you don't already have a plan in place, complete with double redundancy. I know this because Tyler knows this.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Boten Anna posted:

What I've heard about the bay area is that if you're on the young/poor side of things people assume you're going to steal everything in sight and generally want nothing to do with you, but is great if, as "teh winnar!" said, you have a place to be and a plan.

Oh and I'd like to add, if you want the Bay Area life without the high price of everything and without being viewed as 700% more likely to be some kind of miscreant, try the Peninsula or San Jose areas. That way you can go up to SF for whatever hippy-dippy or edgy fun you want, while having all the advantages and low prices of suburb life!

(The best sarcasm comes from when the words are actually true.)

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Salaminizer posted:

That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with just wanting to be treated as their target gender, rather than a third category. That's certainly my hope in my transition.

Quoted for emphasis. I had my phase of wanting to be an educator. It led to my car and lockers at work being vandalized with hate speech and being told that "Our sexual harassment rules only protect people of one sex or the other, not people in between" (actual quote) when I asked for them to check their video records (they had both the parking lots and the lockers monitored under CCTV surveillance) to find out who it was.

In short, people are dicks, and I just want to live my life without being a beacon to people that would want to gently caress me over.

Magneto was right.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Plom Bar posted:

What does 'Magneto was right' mean? Google turns up nothing of value.

*does a quick lookup* Wiki used to have a sub-heading in the article about him that gave a much better explanation than I could. Basically, in the comic storyline, Magneto was occasionally given an antihero bent instead of one as a classic villain. Both as a villain and as an anti-hero, however, Magneto believed that because of their innate fear of the "other," humans would always do their damnedest to discriminate, subjugate, or even destroy mutants, and that only by taking an active and at times combatative stance, could he establish a foothold for mutant survival. The fact that he was a Holocaust survivor no doubt helped to shape this world-view. As with any celebrity, this worldview would certainly catch the eye of some mutants, especially the disenfranchised. It got to the point where in-universe, he was even viewed by some as a sort of Che Guevara of mutants, leading to a few characters wearing red t-shirts with his visage and the text of "Magneto was right" on them.

Salaminizer posted:

Holy gently caress. Where did this happen? I ask because I work in education at the moment and want to know how worried I should be.

This was in an little town in Iowa. Don't get me wrong, the state is a great place to raise a family or retire, and education (as far as facts and test scores) is amazing, but there isn't much of a future there for people that aren't cis hetero WASPs.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Frogmarched posted:

Ok cool lets kill all the cis tyranny in name of the transgender master race.

"Have you ever tried, y'know, not being a mutant?"

MWR has been my catchphrase for the past few years. Which Ian McKellan role I espouse is a good reminder of how I'm feeling about life in general. Magneto was right: people suck. Gandalf was right: there are some good people out there. GWR moments make me feel warm and fuzzy inside, as though I just ate a puppy.

Besides, I've got a reputation as a baby-eating monster to uphold. Gotta kick up the edginess somehow.

teh winnar! fucked around with this message at Dec 11, 2011 around 03:18

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Frogmarched posted:

You could replace it with friend of the family and Jew or whatever and it works just as well, also Hitler literally believed in the same poo poo you stated I.E the Jewish cabel were selling Germany out/keeping the German people weak.

The whole Magneto was right is a clear reference and example. It is supposed to show how those feeling downtrodden and ignored can easily be manipulated into supporting tyrannical views and beliefs.

Actually, that symbolism is intentional. Historically, the group that would become the Nazi party focused first on bringing together the downtrodden Germans into a unified group. It wasn't until after the regime came to power that they expanded into actively persuing the plan to take out their scapegoats. Magneto, being a Holocaust survivor whose mutant powers awakened in the concentration camps, is made to accent the "those who don't learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat it" aesop, so much so as to call it out in the "First Class" movie. I started using the phrase when I saw a t-shirt for sale in the above-mentioned Che imagery. then I saw a photoshopped image of Sir Ian McKellan in a pride march with a shirt reading "I am Gandalf and Magneto. Get over it" and the rest is awesome history.

But that's a bit o' derail.

Oh, and speaking of queer/mutant symbolism, What The gently caress.

teh winnar! fucked around with this message at Dec 11, 2011 around 05:50

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Boten Anna posted:

I don't see how such a pill could possibly exist without fundamentally changing who I am, and I don't hate myself, so unless that pill basically just made me a cis girl I wouldn't take it. It would probably just be a chemical lobotomy or something.

And in my case, it's a little late for that anyway. Even if it would make me a cis girl, I'd still have to take the same meds I do and be unable to bear children. So, what's the difference then?

Maybe it would make me forget my first 21 years of life? Oooh, I've already got plenty of amnesia from that time period for reasons not directly related to being trans.

I'm still going with no. I mean, I've been through a lot of poo poo, but it kinda shaped me into the woman I am today.

That said, if such a magic pill existed, it could be interesting for those who have not yet started (either due to being too young or having just accepted/come out/etc). I mean, for those who have already transitioned, whether chemically, socially, and/or surgically, to push them into cis of their birth sex is kinda deleting their identities, and to make them cis of their target sex is either imperfect at best and a "But I'd know" at worst.

While it's an interesting hypothetical for debates, it's really less of a gender thing and more of a philosophy free will/determinism thing.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Black Lighter posted:

I think it's one of those things where they get a lot of hits because they're on the first page because they get a lot of hits. (Am I making sense?)

Ah yes, recursive popularity. The bane of getting an internet search engine to actually do anything timeley on updated information.

quiggy posted:

Praying before bed buddies

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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The COGIATI is a mixture of the Moir-Jessel profiles combined with horrible stereotypes and JDR's own fantasies. Due to JDR's bias, it only "works" for MtF's, and by "works" I mean:

Black Lighter posted:

Seriously, gently caress that site. The worst part is that it's the first thing to pop up when you google "transsexual", so it's the first exposure to the concept that a lot of scared, unsure people ever have. If there's ever a movement to have it taken down, or even just dropped from the first page of search engine results, I would support it 100%.

Now, don't get me wrong, the Moir-Jessel model is great for starting a dialogue (and tends to be included in many gender psychology courses' required reading), but other than that, it makes me facepalm.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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AngryRobotsInc posted:

I have never seen either the movie about Gwen Araujo or Boys Don't Cry, and don't plan to. I try to avoid actively depressing the hell out of myself.

This. If I must watch a kinda-depressing movie about the trans, I choose Ma Vie En Rose. At least that movie keeps its childlike innocence throughout.

teh winnar! fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2011 around 00:05

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LemonLimeTime posted:

You just had to go poke the beehive didn't you?

Goddammit, Leeroy.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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It's part of why I try not to post anything of note on FB. Just vapid re-posts of funny images and the occasional "troll my family with an incendiary comment about organized religion."

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Quality_Guaranteed posted:

I've skimmed through this thread but I've missed the previous megathreads, so forgive me if this has been covered before, but what do you folks think of autogynephilia?

Much like Lyesh said, though I'd like to add that AGP is usually only spoken of in order to dismiss trans women's situations as though a fetish. Don't get me wrong, I understand Rule 34 and all, but really, not everything has to boil down to getting your rocks off.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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Transition is not for everyone. Ask your therapist is Transition is right for you. Side effects may include dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, water retention, erectile dysfunction, changes in eating habits, FYAD-baiting, and halitosis.

teh winnar!
Apr 16, 2003
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WrathofKhan posted:

Ok, I found a actual published study in which ciswomen were given the test that Blanchard devised to diagnose autogynephillia ... suggest that what Blanchard is calling autogynephillia is actually an element of a normal, *female* sexual response.

I've actually seen this doctor. I also think it's awesome that one of his other papers is "Does Heterosexuality Belong in the DSM?"

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Apr 16, 2003
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Lexical Unit posted:

I feel like I have to force myself into a lifestyle and borrow "assistance" from that lifestyle.
There is no such thing as a "transsexual lifestyle." I'm not even sure what that would even look like. Who is forcing you into some supposed lifestyle? What does that lifestyle entail? Is it your therapist? Get a new therapist. Is it your local community resources? Then I'm sorry they suck.

It sounds to me like she's saying that some of the gatekeeper-style therapists don't consider a trans woman as "valid" unless she follows whatever stereotypes are out there (COGIATI math bullshit, desiring a heterocentric life as a housewife with a husband, etc.) I've seen plenty of people screwed over by a system that insisted that there is One True Way to be trans and that everyone else was some perverted delusional.

Lexical Unit posted:

I personally feel that the success of the results are based on the confidence of the patient to the doctor.
I would tell my therapist about this feeling so he could help dissuade me of it, because it seems like it is causing you undue stress. There are lots of competent surgeons out there.

Actually, I'd agree with MageMage, but expand that to therapists, endos, and even non-transition-related doctors. Odds are, if you go in to the doctor's office saying "I want this is and this, because I believe it'll work for that," the doctor will, at the very least, view you as somebody who has done their homework, and either agree or give a rational explanation of why they feel X,Y, or Z would be better. If you go in all mousy and poo poo, the doctor will assume that one size fits all, and you'll get, if not a worse treatment, at least one not as tailored to your needs. I remember an advertisement that used to read along the lines of "You'd ask your mechanic plenty of questions about why he suggested his repairs. Why wouldn't you ask your doctor why he prescribed his treatments?"

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Apr 16, 2003
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Amused to Death posted:

The Transsexual Lifetyle sounds like some terrible porno title in the making.

No, it sounds like the next Janice Raymond album.

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Kaleidoscopic Gaze posted:

Also coming in with an attitude like "I need the same help that you guys need and face the same issues but I don't live the filthy tranny lifestyle and am thus not a filthy tranny like all of you" isn't making you any friends in here. We've had our fair share of people come through with interesting issues that would, in scholarly circles, provoke rigorous debate on the nature of the self. You'll have to excuse us for filing you with these types.

Whoa, hold up. I'm pretty drat sure that's not what MageMage is saying, and I'm really drat sure that a lot of trans people, regardless of whether they are also IS or not, have to go through a lot of bullshit because somebody else, NOT ourselves, that stamps the rubber stamp to say whether or not something is okay, or covered by insurance, or any other myriad of things that make it a matter of haves and have-nots. THAT is the "trans lifestyle" problem, when a (usually) hetero white cis doctor decides that somebody isn't trans enough because they're too poor, or too queer, or not normative enough to stand up to an outdated image of overcompensation.

I know this because MageMage is not the first IS person I know who has been poo poo on by the professionals that specialize in the trans "community."

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local multiplayer posted:

I would break the news to them in such a way as to avoid upsetting their delicate sensibilities. Maybe something like "Merry Christmas, I got you something special" *takes lid off of pelvis-height gift box* "its a penis"

This gives me a mental image of Justin Timberlake and Andy Sandberg in bad 80's hair and dresses.

Editing to add my real response:

Disclosure is a lovely debate that comes up every now and then in the TMT. While some people want to live full-stealth to the point where even their partners don't know, and all the more power to those that do, many concur that disclosure at some point in the relationship is necessary. I mean, the years of being socialized as the incorrect gender is something that has affected us for the first 1/10 to 1/2 of our lives, so simply deleting all those years is neither healthy nor conducive to a good relationship. The main question then becomes when to tell the partner, which varies wildly by the individual, and rightly so.

You may have already seen several comments by others in the thread, but I think our response to the response really depends upon exactly what you mean by "flipping their poo poo." I mean, yeah, it's a pretty big secret and, keep in mind that as hurt as the rhetorical "you" are by finding out about it, it's hurt us a hell of a lot more and for a hell of a lot longer. Many of us just want to be able to live a normal life where we aren't constantly reminded of how wrong our bodies were made, or how people do and will continue to demonize us for the crime of simply being ourselves. I can understand being hurt by having a secret hidden from you. I grok that. But if you start with the "You're a fuckin' freak," then you won't have to leave, 'cos I'll kick your rear end out.

Fortunately, I don't have to have that problem. My wives knew me as friends long before they became lovers, and helped me through a poo poo-ton of bad stuff that led up to and followed my surgery, so my trans status is a given with them.

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Glasgow posted:



I'm not trying to internet detective you, but judging from the fact that it's John Deere and the call center rear end-hattery, I think I may have once worked at the same place you did. Companies in that area of the US strongly believe in the death-of-a-thousand cuts method of getting rid of people that they find undesirable (and trans people are definitely on their list of undesirables, as are "people who have been there for more than a year." It's how they can afford to have decent benefits: their turnover rate is so high they rarely have to give them out).

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RazorBunny posted:

Corsets

This is all very good information. Early this month, my wife and I went to a charity event and our costumes included corsets. My wife mentioned that she liked how it looked on her, so a friend of ours gave her a corset for giftmas.

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Collaterly Sisters posted:

actually, documentation of intersex status could make it considerably easy for you to get coverage for reassignment procedures. And the cost of getting a karyotype is well, well, well below the cost of just paying for surgery yourself.

Depends on the insurance in question. I've known a few that specifically chunked IS status for treatment by calling it a birth defect and a pre-existing condition.

In short, insurance companies do their damnedest to not have to pay, but then, that fact applies to more than just IS/TS issues.



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I did several rounds of laser, because my combination of dark hair and light skin made it very effective. I could probably stand to get the stragglers with electro sometime, but I haven't put it on any priority.

To me, aloe helped a lot, as did regular painkillers before and afterward. Just keep in mind that the pain you're going through is going towards something. It'll be worth it in the end.

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MageMage posted:

What gets me about CA PCIP is that someone had to specifically raise their hand at some meeting or submit some form, voicing on their concern weather this plan should cover those darned sex changes or not! What really grinds me is that it is so specific, and right above plastic surgery. Why not just slap me in the face?

Short answer: it isn't just you. Insurance companies are essentially bookies gambling on your health status. They will do anything they can do to reduce the odds that they'll have to pay out. It's not just a trans thing.

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Angry Guacamole posted:

Cool, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks he was being a loving rear end in a top hat. Sure helped at work, though, rage is one hell of a stimulant. I was a dish-washing machine.

(For context: Made the mistake of actually opening an email forward from my uncle, the punchline of which was either a trans person or, the way the joke was worded, a guy who liked to wear girls' clothes, or something like that, being thrown from a bridge she was considering jumping off of after kissing someone and the ~*~big reveal~*~ happening.)

If it's the comic I'm thinking of, it was originally "The Thin H Line" but is now called "Sexy Losers." It was actually the first part of a multi-parter, which involved the would-be jumper going back to her parents and dealing with the fallout of being out, but to add a layer of mindfuck to the viewer, the parents' pronouns are also opposite of what a cis person would expect, as though questioning the viewer.

In an additional twist, the original "jumper" strip got ed by a different net picture site, where, without the later strips in the series to balance it, ends up being much more rage-worthy.

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Angry Guacamole posted:

It was a text joke, actually, no cartoon in it. I think I may've seen the cartoon being referenced, though.

I stand corrected, the strip has gone back to its original name of "The Thin H Line." The first in the series was a strip called "Suicide Prevention Week Revisited":NWS: and yeah, it's kinda rage-inducing. Ghastly (of Ghastly's Ghastly Comic) did a guest strip titled "Gender Dysphoria Prevention Week" as a follow-up. FYI, neither strip is particularly transphobic, the Thin H Line is just full of crude and dark humour in general.

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Collaterly Sisters posted:

Does anyone know anything about reliable and affordable electro in the east bay area? I have a friend who I've been trying to get some leads to for, like, a few months.

Seconding this request because the electrologist my wives swear by recently moved away.

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gobbledygoat posted:

So quick question:

I recently got recommended a doctor at my Uni who had treated trans patients before, she told me to stay away from weed while I'm on hormones because I generally don't want to gently caress with my brain chemistry any more than I already am. Is this a serious restriction or just a general "doctors tell you not to do drugs ever" thing? I'm not particularly torn up about it but I will miss chill out//get baked fridays with my mates.

There is some anecdotal stuff about THC inhibiting testosterone reception, but the vast majority of the doc's advice is the "drugs are bad mmmkay" mindset. That said, however, she may be concerned that the weed's anti-anxiety effects outlook on life, and not the hormones.

gobbledygoat posted:

Also she wants me to do 3 months of RLE before she prescribes my hormones, I've already done one month (love it) but it can be nerve-wracking. I feel like the hormones would help my confidence, do the 3 months really serve any purpose? How should I approach her about it?

For MtF's, it's mainly humiliation like Glass Joe said, though if you don't have a therapist's recommendation, she could be telling you this for the "make sure it's what you really want" combined with covering herself with a "I've been seeing her for 3 months and she still needs hormones" rapport.

Note that for FtM's there is justification for the RLE first (being the very powerful and one-way effects of testosterone, and since T is an anabolic steroid, the need to cover her own rear end is much more understandable), but for an MtF, it's mainly to put you through hell.

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