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Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

Hell, I could
tell you some
stories...


Odette posted:

So my dm1z has some sort of fault with it. There's a line running horizontally at the very top that reminds me of frayed connection cables screwing up the output on monitor.

It's intermittent, but I do have video evidence of it happening. It's probably less than six months old and I still have the receipt. Should I take it back to the shop and get them to replace/fix it?

It's a known issue on the x120e too. I get it every once in a while but it always goes away on it's own after a bit.

Here's what Lenovo had to say about it (I haven't tried any of it)

quote:

Just a summarized checklist to go through if you have screen flickering issues.

Flash BIOS to 1.11 -> For those who are unable to flash via Windows, please use the bootable ISO way to flash, or remove any 3rd party RAM.
Ensure GPU driver is at its latest
Remove non Lenovo preloaded RAM (Test it without the RAM)
Reseat Lenovo RAM (Remove it and put it back)
Ensure your Windows 7 is SP1 patched.

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EAT THE EGGS RICOLA
May 29, 2008

-The Marquis of Merginae-
Bearer of the One True Ducksword


Toast posted:

Is there a downside towards looking at an Asus 1225 vs. the recommended models (I'm in Canada) with the e-450?

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX38020 for example.

I haven't seen the hp one available anywhere here.

I bought a HP DM1 with the E-450 from costco in Ontario less than a month ago for $399! Good luck!

http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product...matchallpartial

dissss
Nov 10, 2007


Toast posted:

Is there a downside towards looking at an Asus 1225 vs. the recommended models (I'm in Canada) with the e-450?

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX38020 for example.

I haven't seen the hp one available anywhere here.

Is have its predecessor the 1215b so some things may have improved.

It's been a decent system for me but the build quality just isn't up to HP or Lenovo - the keyboard flexes, the track pad was downright wonky (grounding issue), the screen is poor, speakers are cruddy and the power connector is undersized and fragile.

On the plus side mine has never broken down and battery life is still pretty good.

Toast
Dec 7, 2002

GoonsWithSpoons.com Generalissimo


dissss posted:

Is have its predecessor the 1215b so some things may have improved.

It's been a decent system for me but the build quality just isn't up to HP or Lenovo - the keyboard flexes, the track pad was downright wonky (grounding issue), the screen is poor, speakers are cruddy and the power connector is undersized and fragile.

On the plus side mine has never broken down and battery life is still pretty good.

Yeah, I have a 1201N and the dc jack is the reason I may be replacing it (looking like up to a month until I can get it fixed and that's not really an option.) Thankfully Ricola is right and I can get the DM1 cheaper anyway.

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002


Hey saw this on Techreport.com, its seems relevant.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/23221

techreport.com posted:

We're partial to ultraportables here at TR, and Newegg has a pretty cheap one in Dell's Inspiron iM101z. This 11.6-incher can be nabbed for only $290, which is less than the cost of most netbooks. A netbook this ain't. The Inspiron has a 1366x768 display resolution, a Core i3-330UM processor, 2GB of RAM, and a 250GB hard drive. The CPU is from the Arrandale generation, but I'd take it over anything from the current Atom family.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16834200483

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 23, 2008

I can feel the minty fresh toxins... coursing through my veins...changing me!


Thanks for that, I just came in to look for something to replace my dying EeePC 1000HA for under $300, that looks perfect.

Nulldevice
Jun 16, 2006


I was wondering if anyone had any feedback on the dm1z-4170 with the core i3 regarding HD 720p playback on the cpu alone. The reason I ask is that I have a lot of anime that is in the 10 bit format which unfortunately doesn't work with hardware rendering. Would the core i3 processor in the dm1z be sufficient to playback these videos in 720p? I've got the 4010us model right now and I'm noticing loss of audio with high bandwidth scenes using coreAVC as my playback codec.

thanks.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

brb, shortcut

I managed to get 10-bit videos working OK on my E-350 dm1z.

Nulldevice
Jun 16, 2006


Phone posted:

I managed to get 10-bit videos working OK on my E-350 dm1z.

any tips? i seem to have audio drop outs during certain scenes, especially if there's a lot of action on the screen. it's weird, as this should be a more powerful processor (E-450). i'm using MPC-HC with coreAVC. it's strange because i can playback with MPC's internal decoder and get the same results. maybe I'm not doing something correctly.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

brb, shortcut

My current install is all sorts of hosed up, but I can check the settings when I get home.

Lblitzer
Mar 8, 2004

Ready to eat me, sir!



This looks pretty awesome. I've been debating on getting a netbook or fullsize laptop for college and this might be the tipping point. Lots of people are dropping 8gb and an ssd to make this scream. I imagine this is good for light gaming (I'm mostly concerned with playing source games) compared to the E-450 offerings?

cybrancyborg
Jan 24, 2008

How this ends still hasn't been unwritten...

Lblitzer posted:

This looks pretty awesome. I've been debating on getting a netbook or fullsize laptop for college and this might be the tipping point. Lots of people are dropping 8gb and an ssd to make this scream. I imagine this is good for light gaming (I'm mostly concerned with playing source games) compared to the E-450 offerings?

That's an Arrandale Corei3, not a Sandy Bridge, so TF2 might run if you use those graphics config tweaks that make it look like a Playstation 1 game. Wouldn't bet on L4D though.

Huh...what you say
Jun 7, 2011

1-800-Hows-My-Incoherent-Rambling

I'm a little confused, but it appears Lenovo doesn't have the x130e available anymore...did they completely discontinue it?

I've been following this thread as well as the other laptop megathread, and I don't recall seeing a discussion including Lenovo's decision to discontinue it...various setbacks have had me putting off purchasing one, but as I'm almost at that point (again), I'm guessing I'm looking at the x220 or x230 if i want a Lenovo X series Thinkpad.

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

I can do sex. It's just alien sex.


When did that happen?

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Welcome to the Jungle


The x131e was slated for release in September, so they may be accelerating their plans slightly, or they just ran out of sandybridge ulv chips. Ever since they discontinued the x120e their netbook line has been a little squirrely due to meeting the educational markets''needs.

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002


Lblitzer posted:

This looks pretty awesome. I've been debating on getting a netbook or fullsize laptop for college and this might be the tipping point. Lots of people are dropping 8gb and an ssd to make this scream. I imagine this is good for light gaming (I'm mostly concerned with playing source games) compared to the E-450 offerings?

Basically you're gonna be getting a faster processor but losing out on the gpu front. It probably handle old gog.com games. However, I've got an x120e here at work with a 64gb ssd from Samsung. Even as much as I like AMD this thing is pretty gratingly slow sometimes. Never bothered to try and game on it. If I were gonna buy a netbook again it would be with an i3 and I just wouldn't worry about gaming. I mean the screen is small and sucky on netbooks anyways. But that's just me.

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 23, 2008

I can feel the minty fresh toxins... coursing through my veins...changing me!


Unless I'm misreading what you're saying, that Dell does have a Core i3, the AMD listed in the description is a mistake. I can't find what model of the Intel HD chip it ships with though, even under details it just says "Intel HD Graphics" which is a very broad product line. My parents have a laptop with an Intel HD that ran UE3 games well on medium-low settings, but there are Intel HD chips that'll struggle with even DX8.

EDIT: Mine comes in today, hopefully(Tracking says out for delivery, but it's almost 3PM). I'll post an update/edit when I find out.

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
CRYBABY FUCK


A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Unless I'm misreading what you're saying, that Dell does have a Core i3, the AMD listed in the description is a mistake. I can't find what model of the Intel HD chip it ships with though, even under details it just says "Intel HD Graphics" which is a very broad product line. My parents have a laptop with an Intel HD that ran UE3 games well on medium-low settings, but there are Intel HD chips that'll struggle with even DX8.

EDIT: Mine comes in today, hopefully(Tracking says out for delivery, but it's almost 3PM). I'll post an update/edit when I find out.

The full name is actually just "Intel HD Graphics." They didn't start the model numbers (HD Graphics 2000, HD Graphics 3000, etc) until the next generation.

As far as performance goes, it's much better than anything you'd find from the Core 2 Duo generation, and it should handle DX8 titles just fine, but it's still pretty slow. It's also the ultra-low-power variant with very limited clockspeeds. It's just fine for desktop work, video decoding, and retro/indie games, but don't count on running vaguely modern titles even at low settings.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

brb, shortcut

Recently picked up the proto-netbook off of eBay: Latitude X1. Windows 7 installs, but it isn't pretty. It's probably about 80% performance than that of an Atom N270 processor. That's right, the first Pentium M chip gives the original Atoms a run for their money.

Putting Fedora on this thing and using it as a travel laptop.

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 23, 2008

I can feel the minty fresh toxins... coursing through my veins...changing me!


Eh, looks like it'll be better than my old Eee's GMA 950 at any rate.

Huh...what you say
Jun 7, 2011

1-800-Hows-My-Incoherent-Rambling

I contacted Lenovo yesterday asking about the X130e, and the rep got back to me today regarding whether it's temporary or not, and it appears it is "end of life."

I did notice there are some refurbished/scratched/dented x130's still available at lenovo outlet, but also considering the x230 (rep said it's definitely better to grab that over the x220--something about that being likely gone from the website at the end of week, but then I imagine it's her job to encourage the new stuff). I'd like to avoid the other major recommendation (HP dm1z) given HP's other lousy consumer products, plus I really rather avoid a glossy screen.

Looking at the x230's, which I assume would be the next best thing to the x130's--but for more--I was considering the x230 (or x220) with the IPS screen, and the jump to an i5 processor, grabbing an SSD and extra RAM from newegg/elsewhere in the future. Given this would be about $700-800, is this likely the best deal in that price range?

Sackmo
Oct 13, 2004


Considering how much wanking there's been in the laptop thread over the x230 I'm going to say it's a very solid deal and you shouldn't be disappointed, especially if you take advantage of the B&N deal that's been going on (I didn't so I paid more for mine than I had to ).

Of course, this all depends on if you wanted a machine as powerful as the x230 in the first place. It's kind of hard to classify it as a netbook since it can play modern games fairly well and is certainly out of the price range of most netbooks. But if you're looking for a 12" laptop with excellent build quality and all of the other features of a ThinkPad, I can't think of a better deal.

I would be happy to answer any specific questions about it, though I haven't had the chance to travel with mine yet.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Welcome to the Jungle


Overall I'm very happy with my x230, but it's a different class of laptop from an i3 netbook. It sits comfortably somewhere between netbook and desktop replacement, and excells there, but it's neither as cheap nor as portable as a netbook. To quote my x120e owning friend, "Lenovo may have created the greatest laptop ever made (x120e), but I don't think they know it"

I took some pics of my x230 compared to his x120e and T400 when I visited last month, I'll have to post them soon

My only major gripe about the x230 is that the power jack is on the back (the only jack on the back, really) rather than on the side like all my other previous laptops. It really gets in the way while sitting in bed.

Hadlock fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2012 around 01:40

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

less faggotry, more rs4.

Phone posted:

Recently picked up the proto-netbook off of eBay: Latitude X1. Windows 7 installs, but it isn't pretty. It's probably about 80% performance than that of an Atom N270 processor. That's right, the first Pentium M chip gives the original Atoms a run for their money.

Putting Fedora on this thing and using it as a travel laptop.

Pentium 3s give the original Atoms a run for their money, so that's not a surprise.
(Pentium III @ 1.26+ beats N270).

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2012 around 08:26

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?


My sister bought a dm1-4110 (like the new dm1z with E-450), so I could finally get my hands on that for a few hours.

Here's a few things I noticed, compared to the old dm1z (dm1-3100):
  • The keyboard has gotten worse. It was pretty good, but now it feels like you could accidentally flip a key off. The keys are seated higher, you can actually see a gap between them and the keybed. Doesn't feel solid, doesn't feel nice.
  • I couldn't do a direct comparison, but despite the 'beats audio' branding, the speakers don't seem to sound as good. Sound seems weak. Just a subjective observation, I guess.
  • The difference between my 7200rpm and her 5400rpm hdd seems vaguely noticable, mostly in hibernation time.
  • The ethernet port isn't protected by a lid anymore. For someone who never used this, this is not a plus.
  • HP's shovelware has gotten way worse. No surprise there I guess. After I uninstalled a bunch of it, the computer became pretty snappy.
  • There's a separate headphone and microphone port now. That's good.
  • The knobbly touchpad is nice actually. It functions properly without the need to disable all the synaptics extra functionality.
  • The mouse buttons are separate from the touchpad now. I definitely prefer that.
  • The rubbery top cover is less prone to showing fingerprints. The glossy border around the screen on the other hand...
I'm mostly disappointed with the step backwards in keyboard quality. I'd still recommend it. My father just bought an ASUS Transformer, insists on using it on a table with the keyboard attached, insists on using a mouse and complains the Android OS isn't as configurable and familiar as Windows. Occasionally "touches the screen and then unpredictable things happen". Paid €70 more than my sister did and sorely regrets this. It's a good tablet, but gently caress, if you want a netbook, don't buy the hype, buy a netbook!

moolchaba
Jul 21, 2007
We need wal-mart in the middle east

Flipperwaldt posted:

My sister bought a dm1-4110 (like the new dm1z with E-450), so I could finally get my hands on that for a few hours.

I haven't found a clear replacement for my dm1z (with E-350). The E-450 is just not enough of a leap, but I would like to replace this touchpad.

It seems the $400 range netbook offerings have dried up for now. loving iPads!

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!


My E-350 DM1Z is seriously one of the best purchases I've ever made. It's got enough power for everyday tasks and I can even play C&C3 and RA3 pretty smoothly

dissss
Nov 10, 2007


moolchaba posted:

It seems the $400 range netbook offerings have dried up for now. loving iPads!

X130e with the i3?

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

Hell, I could
tell you some
stories...


dissss posted:

X130e with the i3?

Way outside the $400 range and the x130e line has been discontinued.

Al2001
Apr 7, 2007


Flipperwaldt posted:

My sister bought a dm1-4110 (like the new dm1z with E-450), so I could finally get my hands on that for a few hours.

Here's a few things I noticed, compared to the old dm1z (dm1-3100):[list][*]The keyboard has gotten worse. It was pretty good, but now it feels like you could accidentally flip a key off. The keys are seated higher, you can actually see a gap between them and the keybed.

I didn't realise they'd changed the keyboard, that explains alot. I don't like it either: I'd compare it unfavourably with the only other netbook I've owned, a cheapo Advent model from 6 years ago. I don't like the bobbly trackpad either, although I've got used to both to an extent. The bloatware surprise-re-installed itself on mine too!

Despite all this, I do generally like my Dm1, don't have much to compare it to though.

Lblitzer
Mar 8, 2004

Ready to eat me, sir!


moolchaba posted:

I haven't found a clear replacement for my dm1z (with E-350). The E-450 is just not enough of a leap, but I would like to replace this touchpad.

It seems the $400 range netbook offerings have dried up for now. loving iPads!

That Dell posted a ways up looks a bit better than the E-450 with the first gen i3 but suffers in the graphics department.

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002


A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Unless I'm misreading what you're saying, that Dell does have a Core i3, the AMD listed in the description is a mistake. I can't find what model of the Intel HD chip it ships with though, even under details it just says "Intel HD Graphics" which is a very broad product line. My parents have a laptop with an Intel HD that ran UE3 games well on medium-low settings, but there are Intel HD chips that'll struggle with even DX8.

EDIT: Mine comes in today, hopefully(Tracking says out for delivery, but it's almost 3PM). I'll post an update/edit when I find out.

Hey did you get that Dell? Mind to post a mini-review on it?

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire


I'm hoping to find a nice laptop to do mostly coding classes on upon going back to school in fall, but also to not be a super slow netbook/tablet as I'll most likely be living/working off of it most of the day until I get home. With that in mind, I'm a little sad to hear the new HP has a less than stellar keyboard, as that is kind of what I want the most out of my laptop!

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

brb, shortcut

Old New stock Lenovo x120e on eBay?

e: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-L...=item3f1947fd95

Lblitzer
Mar 8, 2004

Ready to eat me, sir!


Coredump posted:

Hey did you get that Dell? Mind to post a mini-review on it?

There's a link a few posts up that sells them on Newegg, I'll probably be purchasing one this week and toss an ssd and 4gb of memory in it.

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002


Haha I know about the newegg link, I posted it. I was wanting a goon review on the unit you know?

Lblitzer
Mar 8, 2004

Ready to eat me, sir!


Coredump posted:

Haha I know about the newegg link, I posted it. I was wanting a goon review on the unit you know?

I am an idiot haha, didn't even bother to check who posted it as I was on my phone. I'm buying it tonight so hopefully I'll have it by week's end for a trip report!

Edit: Apparently it was brought back up to $309, from $289 yesterday. Anyone know if Newegg will have sympathy?

Christobevii3
Jul 3, 2006


Lblitzer posted:

This looks pretty awesome. I've been debating on getting a netbook or fullsize laptop for college and this might be the tipping point. Lots of people are dropping 8gb and an ssd to make this scream. I imagine this is good for light gaming (I'm mostly concerned with playing source games) compared to the E-450 offerings?

I bought this, added 8GB of ram, and cheap 120GB sandisk ssd and love it. Gets like 4-5 hours of battery life and is nice with the resolution.

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire


That $300 Dell seems to be exactly what I need for going back to college-- it seems to be powerful enough to run VMs well for my various compiling stuff, and could play 2d games when I am procrastinating said compiling.

Anyone got a trip report on it? It seems like the most solid lead yet for me, since basically I just need a non-crappy netbook for coding and not an cheaper ultrabook like the $400-500 models.

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Lblitzer
Mar 8, 2004

Ready to eat me, sir!


jeeves posted:

That $300 Dell seems to be exactly what I need for going back to college-- it seems to be powerful enough to run VMs well for my various compiling stuff, and could play 2d games when I am procrastinating said compiling.

Anyone got a trip report on it? It seems like the most solid lead yet for me, since basically I just need a non-crappy netbook for coding and not an cheaper ultrabook like the $400-500 models.

All the reviews on Newegg seem to be pretty positive. The Dell site had some horribly undescriptive reviews. I'll post a quick trip report when I get mine either tomorrow or Monday.

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