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The best part was the follow-up rematch they had in Japan. Not wanting to upset anyone this time around, Bobby Flay made sure to fling his cutting board on the floor before getting up and doing his little dance. Which is somehow better I guess?
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ToastyPotato posted:Edit: Oh jumping on the cutting board thing and screaming raise the roof. To be fair, if I spent a good part of an hour occasionally getting electrocuted I'd be happy too. For some reason, there was a puddle over an exposed electrical wire in the kitchen during the taping. Also I kind of want to see the original American Iron Chef. The one with William Shatner. Just to see how bad it could've been.
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It used to be up on Netflix, but I guess it got taken down already.
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I Ozma Myself posted:I think there's supposed to be a soap-opera-esque element to the original iron chef that is lost in translation here. I mean, all the stuff about the "factions?" Toshiro Kandagawa and the Kandagawa Faction were the undoubted antagonists of Iron Chef. I mean, sure, it was soap opera-y, but some of those battles were the best battles on Iron Chef. When Toshiro cut all of his hair off and came back serious as all hell, you knew poo poo was gonna go down. It was almost like a culinary wrestling show whenever he featured. Speaking of which, is there a place to view the old Iron Chef episodes? Last I heard, they were having some sort of trouble keeping the rights to the Backdraft music and Food Network lost the rights to show it or something.
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Robert Irvine is going to be on next week's episode of Body of Proof (aka Dana Delany, M.E.). The thing is... he's not playing himself, he's acting. I guess pretending you're a big-time chef from England and probably faking a lot of Restaurant Impossible (which, regardless, is a show I enjoy) would give you some preparation for that.
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Johnny Longtorso posted:Robert Irvine is going to be on next week's episode of Body of Proof (aka Dana Delany, M.E.). The thing is... he's not playing himself, he's acting. I guess pretending you're a big-time chef from England and probably faking a lot of Restaurant Impossible (which, regardless, is a show I enjoy) would give you some preparation for that. He's already good at playing Robert Irvine, chef to the Presidents.
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Vanderdeath posted:Toshiro Kandagawa and the Kandagawa Faction were the undoubted antagonists of Iron Chef. I mean, sure, it was soap opera-y, but some of those battles were the best battles on Iron Chef. When Toshiro cut all of his hair off and came back serious as all hell, you knew poo poo was gonna go down. It was almost like a culinary wrestling show whenever he featured. That was absolutely my favorite part of the show. The fact there were literally factions that tried to take down the Iron Chefs. The one I remember most was the Outa faction when they'd come in with their huge banners and just stand there all quiet the whole time. Just trying to beat that upstart Morimoto.
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ToastyPotato posted:They are also give a list of possible secret ingredients. Yup. Prior to taping they're given three possible ingredients. They then provide a grocery shopping list based on each ingredient. They don't know which ingredient has been picked until it's unveiled, but they can usually tell what it is by the other food that's in the kitchen (from their shopping list).
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Vanderdeath posted:Speaking of which, is there a place to view the old Iron Chef episodes? Last I heard, they were having some sort of trouble keeping the rights to the Backdraft music and Food Network lost the rights to show it or something. Cooking Network has them, I think- I don't make a habit of watching anymore because I've seen every episode so many times I can almost recite the commentary as it goes along.
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Vanderdeath posted:Speaking of which, is there a place to view the old Iron Chef episodes? Last I heard, they were having some sort of trouble keeping the rights to the Backdraft music and Food Network lost the rights to show it or something. http://filehouse.ironcheffans.info/index.php It's not a complete listing of all the episodes, but it has quite a few up.
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Timby posted:Yup. Prior to taping they're given three possible ingredients. They then provide a grocery shopping list based on each ingredient. They don't know which ingredient has been picked until it's unveiled, but they can usually tell what it is by the other food that's in the kitchen (from their shopping list). They also do the reveal of the ingredients a couple times, I don't remember why anymore, but it was all covered in that behind the scenes special they made once (where they explained that the chefs get 15 minutes after time is called to plate enough food for the whole judging table).
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FISHMANPET posted:They also do the reveal of the ingredients a couple times, I don't remember why anymore, but it was all covered in that behind the scenes special they made once (where they explained that the chefs get 15 minutes after time is called to plate enough food for the whole judging table). Oh man, I forgot that part. I really wonder if the original Iron Chef had that much hand-holding. It really didn't feel like it, but it might have just been better edited (and also didn't have a behind-the-scenes special revealing how everyone was a big pussy). At the very least, the handling and preparation of ingredients was definitely more hardcore.
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Jamesman posted:Oh man, I forgot that part. I would like to think that it didn't. I never tire of the episode where they have to cook with yogurt and Chen Kenichi's expression at the announcement of the secret ingredient was one of confusion and dismay.
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I've never really liked Iron Chef all that much because you get such small glimpses of what each chef is doing that it's hard to tell what the hell they're making. That's why I like Chopped: I can see each contestant make a dish from beginning to end (for the most part). Even if the editing is godawful. I dunno if I said this in this thread already, but this last week's Chopped was pretty awesome. A lot of the time the winner is just some cocky douche who will become even more of a cocky douche, but you could tell that this was really a turning point for the dude this week. His entree looked incredible; I don't think I've ever seen the judges that blown away before.
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Vanderdeath posted:I would like to think that it didn't. I never tire of the episode where they have to cook with yogurt and Chen Kenichi's expression at the announcement of the secret ingredient was one of confusion and dismay. I remember that.  Is there any sort of Iron Chef boxset I can buy?
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Declan MacManus posted:I remember that. I think the music rights issue has bogged down any DVDs. I watched some of the episodes on the Cooking Network and honestly, a lot of the show's soul was the bombastic Backdraft score backing a cooking show. It lost a lot of that with the new songs which are about as generic as generic can get. Edit: What I'm saying is that Iron Chef just isn't Iron Chef without its main theme. Vanderdeath fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Dec 4, 2011 |
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Words cannot express the level of annoyance that I feel with music rights issues on TV shows and rebroadcasting. It's so petty and I really wish that TV shows would make a point by just flat out refusing to pay for any music licenses until they can get reasonable deals that allow for rebroadcasting and redistribution in the video market. "Why yes, I will sell you right to use my song for years on your television show! What? You want to put your show on DVD now? gently caress YOU. I don't want people hearing my poo poo! gently caress YOU Pay me more!"
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ToastyPotato posted:Words cannot express the level of annoyance that I feel with music rights issues on TV shows and rebroadcasting. It's so petty and I really wish that TV shows would make a point by just flat out refusing to pay for any music licenses until they can get reasonable deals that allow for rebroadcasting and redistribution in the video market. One of the issues is that since Iron Chef is a Japanese show, the prices for the rights to the Backdraft soundtrack were probably drastically lower than they would be in the States. As you said, the DVD issue will probably never get resolved. The soundtrack is distributed by the Warner Music Group here in America and WMG is notorious for trying to milk blood from a turnip. It's such a shame because I would pay a bit of money for a complete boxset of Iron Chef in its original glory.
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I Ozma Myself posted:Plagiarizing, I don't think so- cribbing a majority of his notes from there, yes. I don't think you can really blame him for it, either. I mean, the science is the science and McGee was instrumental in taking a bunch of stuff we've learned over the centuries, mostly by trial and error, about cooking and food preparation, and organizing and expanding on it from a scientific point of view. His work is seminal and there really isn't a way around it. It's not like Alton is presenting all this stuff as if it's his own original research, and he has acknowledged McGee's influence on several occasions.
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ToastyPotato posted:Words cannot express the level of annoyance that I feel with music rights issues on TV shows and rebroadcasting. It's like the big fiasco with the music on the Daria DVDs.
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Conduit for Sale! posted:I dunno if I said this in this thread already, but this last week's Chopped was pretty awesome. A lot of the time the winner is just some cocky douche who will become even more of a cocky douche, but you could tell that this was really a turning point for the dude this week. His entree looked incredible; I don't think I've ever seen the judges that blown away before.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:It's like the big fiasco with the music on the Daria DVDs.
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Conduit for Sale! posted:I've never really liked Iron Chef all that much because you get such small glimpses of what each chef is doing that it's hard to tell what the hell they're making. That's why I like Chopped: I can see each contestant make a dish from beginning to end (for the most part). Even if the editing is godawful. They deserve to get some great food to taste to make up for the school cafeteria worker episode a week or so ago. I have loads of respect for anyone who tries to make kids' meals healthy and tasty, but those poor ladies were just so out of place and the judges were trying so hard to be nice about some terrible dishes.
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Limbo posted:They deserve to get some great food to taste to make up for the school cafeteria worker episode a week or so ago. I have loads of respect for anyone who tries to make kids' meals healthy and tasty, but those poor ladies were just so out of place and the judges were trying so hard to be nice about some terrible dishes.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's also keeping The Wonder Years from ever getting a DVD release. Oddly though, both Amazon and Netflix are streaming the show now, but several songs (including the main theme song) had to be replaced to avoid the issues. While they obviously couldn't anticipate the specific technology we'd be using today, with the Wonder Years I am kind of amused that there would be surprise about it. "Using this Beatles song will never, ever cause problems for us."
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Daria, Wonder Years, Beavis and Butthead. It also forced changes on the DVD releases of How I Met Your Mother by having songs removed. It's petty and indicative of everything wrong with the music industry.
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It's more that nobody anticipated ever using tv shows as anything other than broadcast, so the blanket broadcast licensing deals from BMI/ASCAP/whoever were thought to be all they would ever need. Now, how the people making modern shows like HIMYM hosed the dog on this, I don't know, but The Wonder Years/Daria/etc there's no way they could have known DVD would come along and create a huge market like it did.
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IRQ posted:but The Wonder Years/Daria/etc there's no way they could have known DVD would come along and create a huge market like it did. Bingo. At the time, television on VHS was so prohibitively expensive that no one could have ever thought there would have been technology down the road that would make full-series collections not only possible, but relatively inexpensive.
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IRQ posted:It's more that nobody anticipated ever using tv shows as anything other than broadcast, so the blanket broadcast licensing deals from BMI/ASCAP/whoever were thought to be all they would ever need. Now, how the people making modern shows like HIMYM hosed the dog on this, I don't know, but The Wonder Years/Daria/etc there's no way they could have known DVD would come along and create a huge market like it did. I can understand that but my issue is that they kind of already agreed to let some company make money using their work. I don't see why there can't be a small amendment made to the deal that allows some tiny piece of additional compensation for the music, especially when in the case of something like The Wonder Years or HIMYM, they have no problems allowing rebroadcasts in syndication. The program is still making money off of the music this way! So why does it matter what format the show is distributed in? It's stupid nickel and diming from the music industry.
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I keep thinking that they're trying to manufacture drama between Alex G/Elizabeth Faulkner on Next Iron Chef, but Alex's constant grimaces aimed right at Elizabeth call that into question.
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Jamesman posted:I used to really like Food Network, but it's just gotten so unbearably awful within the past year or two. I blame it on the cancellation of Ace of Cakes. Cancelling that pile of poo poo could only have made the channel better. Timeless Appeal posted:What I've heard is that Bourdain is a very nice guy, but really awkward. Robert Irvine wants to be Gordon Ramsay so bad it's embarrassing to watch. raditts fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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raditts posted:Cancelling that pile of poo poo could only have made the channel better. I have not yet given up on my vow to run Duff over if I see him crossing the street.
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Keep hope alive. I knew those lovely cake challenge shows were a sham when they had that talentless fucker on one of them, and his horribly done cake sculpture of what was supposed to be the inner harbor won out over other people with a scrap of talent.I Ozma Myself posted:While they obviously couldn't anticipate the specific technology we'd be using today, with the Wonder Years I am kind of amused that there would be surprise about it. The Joe Cocker cover of a Beatles song, to be exact. But although we can't imagine not having home video sets of our favorite TV shows, that was an age where networks sometimes didn't even keep copies of their shows, let alone produce them with the intent of releasing on home video. raditts fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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The thing I don't understand about cake challenges is that those cakes taste like absolute poo poo. It's just fondant icing and stale cake cut by a hacksaw. Why not just get a normal cake and hire your local, underemployed sculptor? Cake shows make no sense. If someone got me a big fancy cake that tasted like crap I would be mad.
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physeter posted:The thing I don't understand about cake challenges is that those cakes taste like absolute poo poo. It's just fondant icing and stale cake cut by a hacksaw. Why not just get a normal cake and hire your local, underemployed sculptor? Cake shows make no sense. If someone got me a big fancy cake that tasted like crap I would be mad. My understanding is that when people order one of those dumbassed cake sculptures the company brings a second regular old sheet cake which is the one you actually eat. Which is still ridiculous.
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Vanderdeath posted:Speaking of which, is there a place to view the old Iron Chef episodes? Last I heard, they were having some sort of trouble keeping the rights to the Backdraft music and Food Network lost the rights to show it or something. I don't know if this list is complete, but I find this pretty useful: http://www.youtube.com/user/archo89
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raditts posted:Cancelling that pile of poo poo could only have made the channel better. Agreed on both of these counts. I think the FOOD Network trying to push a show (Ace of Cakes) that's about 100% aesthetics and 0% taste. Granted, tons of shows do this as a way to try to focus on the "characters" of a business, who in this case, are the most boring group of milquetoasts to ever walk the planet. I'm surprised Geof doesn't fall asleep when making his creations. Also, the only really awesome episode was when they baked a cake for the band Clutch. On a similar note, I really wish I could find the full episode of No Reservations where Tony had Christmas dinner with Queens of the Stone Age.
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Parachute posted:Granted, tons of shows do this as a way to try to focus on the "characters" of a business, who in this case, are the most boring group of milquetoasts to ever walk the planet. I'm surprised Geof doesn't fall asleep when making his creations. If I worked at Charm City Cakes I'd skip over feeling occasionally useless and skip straight to hanging myself from the nearest cieling fan.
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physeter posted:The thing I don't understand about cake challenges is that those cakes taste like absolute poo poo. It's just fondant icing and stale cake cut by a hacksaw. Why not just get a normal cake and hire your local, underemployed sculptor? Cake shows make no sense. If someone got me a big fancy cake that tasted like crap I would be mad. IRQ posted:My understanding is that when people order one of those dumbassed cake sculptures the company brings a second regular old sheet cake which is the one you actually eat. My girlfriend is owner and decorator of a wedding cake shop, and she specializes in huge sculpted cakes. I can't really speak for all shops around the globe, but she makes sure that she had a talented baker who makes good tasting stuff and has enough creative outlet to make new and unique flavors. She even has tastings in her consultations, so the brides or grooms or clients know what they're getting. For example, her carrot cake tastes awesome but has good but not perfect consistency for sculpting. She could make it "better" for sculpting, but the taste is more important. The fondant she uses is also really tasty. She's been on a Food Network Cake Challenge a few times, and they bake it slightly differently for that. The cake has to survive extreme transport, being frozen, being under studio lights, etc. It's the same recipe I guess but over baked or something. I know is the stuff they make for Challenge is not intended to be eaten so they run with that and make it as easy to sculpt as possible. E: Yes, the big sculpted cake gets eaten. I've never seen her do a second "edible" cake. Gnarly Bae Jepsen fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Dec 5, 2011 |
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