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Optilux
Feb 8, 2004
Gather unto Me, my children...We must all become as Light

Quick question:

I have two worlds, one before the 1.1 patch, one after.

The first one has lots of chests in which I find nice treasure

The second one has no chests whatsoever (although I can build my own chest to put things in)

I assume this is normal - did the 1.1 patch remove chests for some reason?

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Copycat Zero
Dec 30, 2004

ニャ~

Optilux posted:

Quick question:

I have two worlds, one before the 1.1 patch, one after.

The first one has lots of chests in which I find nice treasure

The second one has no chests whatsoever (although I can build my own chest to put things in)

I assume this is normal - did the 1.1 patch remove chests for some reason?

Nope, not normal. My 1.1 world has plenty of chests.

How are you determining that it doesn't have chests? By virtue of the fact that you're not finding them (which is admittedly strange, as it's pretty easy to stumble across chests in caves near the surface)? Or are you using a mapping program (which could be out-of-date and not working properly)?

Optilux
Feb 8, 2004
Gather unto Me, my children...We must all become as Light

I'm not finding them. As you say they are quite common normally. I've dug down past the lava layer to what looks like Hell so am surprised not to have seen anything.

Lots of pots though!

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

Ishida's about to make you his bitch.


misterdoo01 posted:

Gaslamp Games taking over Terraria? I keep throwing money at my monitor but nothing is happening. Seriously, that would be incredible if Redigit handed it over to you guys.

Yeah, if Gaslamp were to take over and create some sort of expansion DLC, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Terraria and DoD happen to be the two games I have logged the most playtime into.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

It costs you four hundred thousand dollars to change this avatar...for twelve seconds.

Yeah, I put about 80 hours into the original Dungeons of Dredmor, and a good 200 something hours of playtime into Terraria, at least. Terraria with hopefully the humor of DoD would be incredible.

I Said No
May 21, 2007



What would really be nice is some modding tools/support/whatever. If red is going to (understandably) quit support for the game then opening it up to the community to do branch it off and increase the lifespan that way would be a good idea if you ask me.

I suppose Red's situation also kinda explains why the dev to community relations for this game have basically been nonexistent, maybe? \/\/

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss


I don't mean to break up the discussion once again, but I really think we need a Starbound thread. Especially with new information coming out. Devs said every Friday they're doing a more in-depth info dump, and on the days in between they might trickle out a few tidbits further.

Today's update was the announcement that every single monster and NPC in the game is randomly generated visually as well as in terms of their stats and attacks/abilities.



Not just color randomization, but whole parts mixed and matched to provide variegation.
Different species, different abilities, and maybe even different "rewards".

Keep in mind that you can capture and tame every creature in the game. I foresee many hours spent combing the universe looking for the coolest possible pets.

Dibujante
Jul 27, 2004


Vib Rib posted:

I don't mean to break up the discussion once again, but I really think we need a Starbound thread. Especially with new information coming out. Devs said every Friday they're doing a more in-depth info dump, and on the days in between they might trickle out a few tidbits further.

Today's update was the announcement that every single monster and NPC in the game is randomly generated visually as well as in terms of their stats and attacks/abilities.



Not just color randomization, but whole parts mixed and matched to provide variegation.
Different species, different abilities, and maybe even different "rewards".

Keep in mind that you can capture and tame every creature in the game. I foresee many hours spent combing the universe looking for the coolest possible pets.
This looks really neat! Also, there's no Terraria discussion.

Still, a Starbound thread might make sense. Some people attached to the developers seem(!?) to lurk here; they would probably be best to start a new thread. I don't know a ton of information about the game so if I started one it would probably be mostly enthusiasm and grammatical errors.

Sigma-X
Jun 17, 2005

"thats pretty much it, we all got high, it was sweet you should of been there"
"god damnt knuckles, your plan didn't do anything"


A man makes a great game, sells it for dirt cheap, I get literally the best $/hr enjoyment out of the game as I have in any in the last 5 years or so, and the guy says "after giving out massive free updates and continual support for 9 months, I'm taking time off to help my wife bring a newborn baby into the world."

I have nothing but respect for Redigit for Terraria and for his decision to take some time off and focus on his family.

Gandor
Apr 22, 2008


Terraria was my GOTY for 2011, loved it and clocked in at least 200 hours of incredibly fun gameplay. Although I'll be sad to see development of it (temporarily?) shelved, that Starbound game looks to be the next generation of the type of game that Terraria has been for me: That is, procedurally generated awesome in a retro-style package.

Making almost everything randomly generated is a step in the direction I'd like to see game-making in general. Not necessarily lazy, but a way of adding a ton of content without spending months to years of development time and money just to see a trickle of content. With this method, developers can instead focus on making the game feature-rich and provide players with that constant feeling of "ooh, shiny!" which is what I consider the 'magic moment' of gaming for me. That part where things are coming together and you say to yourself, "this is great, I'm loving it! I wonder what happens if I go a little further..." and then you encounter something new: a new area, a new monster, a treasure chest, a cave, it doesn't matter what it is but you find something new and interesting and it makes you excited. That is the part of gaming that is the most fun for me, and this game looks like it will be that moment over and over again.

So yea, make a thread because that game already looks amazing and I wish I could have it right now.

TheDK
Jun 5, 2009


Dibujante posted:

This looks really neat! Also, there's no Terraria discussion.
Honestly the only reason I am still following this thread is for Starbound updates.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss


Gandor posted:

Making almost everything randomly generated is a step in the direction I'd like to see game-making in general.
I agree with virtually everything you've said. Especially since people are learning how to add proper weighted values to these kind of generators instead of just spitting out random numbers. Add to this that the range of things that are being considered for generation is expanding. Not just enemy stats, but even appearances and behaviors. They've got a fine touch on it too, since the way they choose to blend art assets and color schemes and all that not just for planets but enemies, weapons, and armors looks like it'll go a long way toward keeping that idea fresh.

Imagine if a big game like say Skyrim had procedural generators that used some morph sliders and various add-ons to make generated armor and weapons, so there'd always be something new to find.
When Spore came out, I was hoping it would serve as a sort of tech demo, seeding the idea of generative/imported content on a massive scale to games that had solid gameplay to back them up, but that whole thing sort of fell through when it didn't see the success people expected.
It's a long tangent I'd get off on, so I'll just say that Starbound's handling of procedural generation is a drat big step in the right direction and there are very few open genres that couldn't benefit from it.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

Vib Rib posted:

Today's update was the announcement that every single monster and NPC in the game is randomly generated visually as well as in terms of their stats and attacks/abilities.



Not just color randomization, but whole parts mixed and matched to provide variegation.
Different species, different abilities, and maybe even different "rewards".

Keep in mind that you can capture and tame every creature in the game. I foresee many hours spent combing the universe looking for the coolest possible pets.
Must find a rabbit with antlers. Go jackalope!

Actually I like their monsters more than the characters. I would play as a monster.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss


Jackard posted:

Actually I like their monsters more than the characters. I would play as a monster.
Maybe I can get one of those lizard dudes to be the chief of staff on my space station.

WayneCampbell
Oct 7, 2005
You got me a gunrack?!? I don't even own a gun, let alone alone enough to nessecitate an entire rack.

I'm surprised he's completely calling off development when terraria hasn't fallen outside of the steam's top 20 selling games since it's release. That's gotta be at least a couple hundred copies sold a day, right?

Read
Dec 21, 2010

well your stupid and have no friends


WayneCampbell posted:

I'm surprised he's completely calling off development when terraria hasn't fallen outside of the steam's top 20 selling games since it's release. That's gotta be at least a couple hundred copies sold a day, right?

Especially since the top 20 is done by the amount of money made in sales, not number of copies sold \o/.

WayneCampbell
Oct 7, 2005
You got me a gunrack?!? I don't even own a gun, let alone alone enough to nessecitate an entire rack.

Read posted:

Especially since the top 20 is done by the amount of money made in sales, not number of copies sold \o/.

And him and tiy were the only developers on top of that right? Has he released any sales figures?

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

WayneCampbell posted:

I'm surprised he's completely calling off development when terraria hasn't fallen outside of the steam's top 20 selling games since it's release. That's gotta be at least a couple hundred copies sold a day, right?

It really sounds more like he's taking a break before gearing up for Terraria 2 and his second dump truck full of money.

Jesto
Dec 22, 2004

If 10000000 was a lady, I'd marry her.


nvining, have you guys received any response? Given the sheer amount of tweets Redigit has been getting, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't see your company's offer at all.

Tornado Lazers
Mar 4, 2008
VAGINA AVOIDER; LEADER OF THE BIBLE STUDY GROUP; WETTEST BLANKET


misterdoo01 posted:

I keep throwing money at my monitor but nothing is happening.

Keep this unfunny poo poo on reddit.

Creepy Goat
Sep 19, 2010



Haha I smiled in glee when I heard that Redigit had posted on the Terraria forums that he was quitting development of the game. This is why-

quote:

So thats it then, Terraria is dead. and all because of a BABY!! are you serious. a child is a life thing and how can you "get to know" a baby when they havn't even developed. here is a hint. babies cry, poo poo, piss vomit and sleep. yes it is a good thing to have a child but you have decades to be with your son. so use your time now to finish this child of yours.

quote:

Because fact of the matter is that he's a selfish, greedy excuse for a human being who only cares about money, and given that I generally don't have a high opinion on humanity, that's saying something.

quote:

Are you really going to let him use his kid as an excuse to abandon his commitment to us? How sad.
Newsflash: we did hire him. We paid him money.

ad infinitum.

Looking forward to this Star-whatsit-majiggy. There's only so many level 20 Archers I can lose on Realm Of The Mad God before I need another 2D game to break up the repetetiveness.

Dominic White
Nov 1, 2005

We're marooned on a small island in an endless sea, confined to a tiny spit of sand, unable to escape.

But tonight, on this small planet, we're gonna rock civilization.

Only on the internet can people spin the idea of taking time off work to raise a child 'selfish' and 'greedy'. Terraria is a great game, but holy poo poo does it have one of the worst communities I've ever seen in gaming. It's like they managed to skim all the worst crazies off the top of the Minecraft fanbase, and mix in a generation of easily-led dumb kids who fall in excitable lock-step with all the rambling lunatics.

Hats off to Redigit for seeing that there's more to life than work and money.

RVWinkle
Aug 24, 2004


Creepy Goat posted:

Haha I smiled in glee when I heard that Redigit had posted on the Terraria forums that he was quitting development of the game. This is why-

Okay that stuff is hilarious. I'm now thinking of trolling the community by setting up an abortion donation drive. It would also be great to setup a Redigit abortion petition. Can you imagine collecting twenty thousand signatures insisting that someone to get an abortion?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Dr. Chainsaws PhD
May 21, 2011

Fuck medical school!
Let's get drunk and eat chicken fingers!



Creepy Goat posted:

Haha I smiled in glee when I heard that Redigit had posted on the Terraria forums that he was quitting development of the game. This is why-

You know, people used to think that parents not caring enough for the child as an infant led to autism.

Maybe these guys are examples?

kalvindeane
Jan 5, 2012



To help bring this back on track, I've finished a little project on PuLSe's Crater:

http://i.imgur.com/8NXcR.png

http://i.imgur.com/PM8JI.png

The dragon breathing fire is mine, the red bat and the blue dragon to the right were created by other builders at the Crater. There are some minor tweaks to be made, but it's mostly finished. The large amount of ore used in it makes it great when viewed in game with a spelunker potion.

PuLSe's thread (it's very much worth taking a look at): http://www.terrariaonline.com/threa...lley-wip.59756/

Shadowmorn
Apr 21, 2010

CAUTION: Edges are sharp enough to cut reality.


kalvindeane posted:

http://i.imgur.com/PM8JI.png

Sir, sums up my feelings on this. That is goddamned awesome.

lohli
Jun 30, 2008


kalvindeane posted:

To help bring this back on track, I've finished a little project on PuLSe's Crater:

http://i.imgur.com/8NXcR.png

http://i.imgur.com/PM8JI.png


Another completely ridiculous build completed, well done.

Did you use stuff that you had mined or was there inventory editing going on this time around?


RVWinkle posted:

Okay that stuff is hilarious. I'm now thinking of trolling the community by setting up an abortion donation drive. It would also be great to setup a Redigit abortion petition. Can you imagine collecting twenty thousand signatures insisting that someone to get an abortion?
Didn't he say that his wife had already given birth?


Creepy Goat posted:

Haha I smiled in glee when I heard that Redigit had posted on the Terraria forums that he was quitting development of the game. This is why-
This sort of lovely and incredibly petty self-entitlement is the worst thing about not just the Terraria community, but the fanbases of pretty much anything you care to think of, it's loving disgusting.

kalvindeane
Jan 5, 2012



It was mostly inventory editing I'm afraid. Outside committments consume most of my time, and it would have taken a couple of months longer without inventory editing.

The next project shall begin within the next few days.

Zaa Boogie
Sep 13, 2007

"Suckle on this receptacle!"


RVWinkle posted:

Okay that stuff is hilarious. I'm now thinking of trolling the community by setting up an abortion donation drive. It would also be great to setup a Redigit abortion petition. Can you imagine collecting twenty thousand signatures insisting that someone to get an abortion?

What the gently caress dude

Read
Dec 21, 2010

well your stupid and have no friends


Zaa Boogie posted:

What the gently caress dude

It doesn't even make sense because the guy's kid is already born but yeah what the gently caress.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009



RVWinkle posted:

Okay that stuff is hilarious. I'm now thinking of trolling the community by setting up an abortion donation drive. It would also be great to setup a Redigit abortion petition. Can you imagine collecting twenty thousand signatures insisting that someone to get an abortion?

This isn't funny in any way, shape, or form.

Creepy Goat posted:

Haha I smiled in glee when I heard that Redigit had posted on the Terraria forums that he was quitting development of the game. This is why-

ad infinitum.

Those people are honestly the worst thing ever. Someone give me a mod account there so I can ban those chucklefucks before they drive Redigit away from future game development (which he could easily choose to do if he's good with money).

gently caress those people, every last one of them.

The White Dragon
Nov 14, 2007

a dragon that is
uh

Zaa Boogie posted:

What the gently caress dude

At first I was all "Terraria forums, oh you!" And then I noticed everyone was quoting the same name and I thought to look up and yeah. Good job, I don't care if you're being ironic or what but holy poo poo dude you sound like you came from the goddamn Bioware forums.

a slime
Apr 11, 2005



Evil Fluffy posted:

Those people are honestly the worst thing ever. Someone give me a mod account there so I can ban those chucklefucks before they drive Redigit away from future game development (which he could easily choose to do if he's good with money).

Pretty sure Redigit was previously the developer of Super Mario X which was an equally toxic community that had literally the exact same reaction when he announced he was moving on

I think he has pretty thick skin at this point

Creepy Goat
Sep 19, 2010



They all started to complain that Redigit not replying was because of immaturity, greed and NOT CARING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT GOT HIM HERE . Maybe if you stopped threatening his child and being raging sociopathic fucktards towards him and his family then he would respect you enough to discuss things.

Hope he doesn't return to those godforsaken forums.

Tornado Lazers
Mar 4, 2008
VAGINA AVOIDER; LEADER OF THE BIBLE STUDY GROUP; WETTEST BLANKET


I had lots of fun playing terraria, and I can't wait to see what else he comes up with in the future. Congrats on the kid and enjoy the time!


Is that really so hard? Why don't they moderate their forums? Does anyone really care if the entitled 14 year old is offended by his ban and vows never to play terraria again?

nightwisher
Dec 24, 2004


Tornado Lazers posted:

I had lots of fun playing terraria, and I can't wait to see what else he comes up with in the future. Congrats on the kid and enjoy the time!


Is that really so hard? Why don't they moderate their forums? Does anyone really care if the entitled 14 year old is offended by his ban and vows never to play terraria again?

The oldest person on those forums is 15. So yes, it is.

I've learnt now that it's almost always the damaged, abusive jerks who are most vocal. Fortunately, the forums only represents a tiny percent of the player base.

Jesto
Dec 22, 2004

If 10000000 was a lady, I'd marry her.


Redigit added a part 2 to his post.

quote:

I posted this on the other thread, but I wanted repost it here to make sure everyone can see it.

- Promised updates -

For the majority of the game's development, I was more or less just using the game as a testing ground to play with different ideas and learn C#/XNA. That said, Terraria was released way before it's time. Between the immense social pressure and the leak, I didn't really have much choice but to play the hand I was drawn and release it as is. Obviously I was going to keep working on the game until it got to the point where I was happy with it.

Looking at all the different paths I could take the game right now, nothing really excites me. It all feels like sideways progression. That's why I know it's time to take what I've learned and start working on it's successor. I imagine you might make the claim that I "got bored and quit," but really without the excitement/obsession/drive, can you really expect future updates to be anything better than the status quo? Now looking down the road toward Terraria's successor, that's what is exciting me. It was never my intention to mislead anyone, and I am sorry if I did.

- Stopped updating out of the blue -

There really is no other way to say "no more updates" without saying "no more updates." After losing my spriter to a potentially competing game, and having to take some time off for my own personal reasons I figured the most honest way would be to just get it out now then taking several months off and then come back to announce that I am working on another game.

- Open source the game -

This will probably happen eventually, but the decision to not obfuscate Terraria was made for a reason...

- Handing off -

This isn't going to happen, though I'd love for a dedicated group of modders to pick up the torch and carry on. For one, things can get complicated very quickly in the legal world. I also feel that Terraria is pretty solid as it is, and I am not sure that I would like the direction that it would take if I wasn't the one to work on it. After the following of SMBX and Terraria, you have to give my design choices some credit. :p Now for my handling of the community on the other hand...


- Bad at PR -

This I agree with. Dealing with people has never been my strong suit. I've been told several times that I should have hired a profession PR guy, but that really is just putting someone between you and me that does little more than candy coat things to make them sound better. (I probably should have done it anyway)

I think I really just got off to a bad start after the Nintendo/SMBX thing and the game getting leaked in beta. I got a lot more defensive than I should have been, and refused to share information about things until they were set in stone. But I guess if I didn't do that then there would have been a lot more "promises" not being kept. I'm probably being overly honest here, but there have been some pretty nasty things posted on TO, and I've learned that the best way to not let them get to me is to distance myself from the forums. (I am a human after all!)

I failed with this, and I am sorry because you all really did deserve better from me.

- Greedy -

Money does complicate things doesn't it? Like I said in an interview before, this isn't really a business to me. Yes I've made a good amount of money and have a lot of customers, but I just want to make the best game I can. Simple as that. If I really wanted to milk it I would have release 1.1 as DLC and there would be all sorts of pets and mounts that you could buy for several bucks a shot. Is that going to help to make the game better?

I receive very little from the shirts and CE (I'm even wondering how it's possible for developers to survive the retail world in the first place) Those were all about getting cool Terraria things in the real world.

- Quit SMBX just Terraria -

SMBX just like Terraria was something I did to learn and experiment with gameplay. At some point you have to call a project finished so you can take what you've learned and move on to make something even better. I made no promises with SMBX and made it clear that it was something that I work on in my own time. If I was still working on it right now, there would be no Terraria.

As for the Nintendo fiasco.. I'm sure there is a Nintendo PR guy somewhere with a huge grin on his face knowing that SMBX was shutdown and Nintendo took none of the blame for it.

Looks like he's refusing Gaslamp Games's offer to be hired on to continue producing content for the game because... he can't be bothered to hire a lawyer to sort out the paperwork and thinks that Gaslamp Games or anyone else hired to produce content will screw him over somehow?

I guess that's it for Terraria and we can look forward to Starbound. Speaking of which, something caught my eye:

quote:

After losing my spriter to a potentially competing game

Looks like Tiy's quite a popular guy if people are getting outbid for his services. I can only hope he roams the internet from indie group to indie group, making beautiful game art wherever he goes.

Sigma-X
Jun 17, 2005

"thats pretty much it, we all got high, it was sweet you should of been there"
"god damnt knuckles, your plan didn't do anything"


Jesto posted:

Looks like he's refusing Gaslamp Games's offer to be hired on to continue producing content for the game because... he can't be bothered to hire a lawyer to sort out the paperwork and thinks that Gaslamp Games or anyone else hired to produce content will screw him over somehow?

No, he's refusing it because he doesn't loving want to do it.

It's his goddamn prerogative.

When people talk about how PC Gamers are the biggest group of entitled whiny shitheels, it's because of the people who complain about a guy stopping free updates after 9 months on a $10 game that everyone has put 50 hours into so he can focus on raising his newborn son and then start work on a new project.

If there is any single loving person on the earth who spent $5-10 on Terraria and felt burned by the product as it current stands, there is no amount of post-release content that could possibly change that.

He doesn't loving owe anyone anything beyond the product he's sold them, and he's provided a tremendous amount of post-release content for free.

Jesto
Dec 22, 2004

If 10000000 was a lady, I'd marry her.


Sigma-X posted:

No, he's doing it because he doesn't loving want to do it.

Then he should have just said that instead of claiming legal issues? I'm fine with him dropping the game. It just seems strange to list legal woes as one of his main concerns.

"I'm done with the game, it's a complete experience for $10." <-- All that needs to be said.

quote:

He doesn't loving owe anyone anything beyond the product he's sold them

But, yes, he doesn't owe anyone anything more. I would like a stable multiplayer experience where you could put a server online and not have to install numerous mods to prevent people from bombing it into oblivion, or hacking their client to create swords that spit out dynamite or can strike the entire screen, but he doesn't owe me or anyone else it.

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TheOriginalEd
Oct 29, 2007

Caffeine Transcendent


Hear hear. Im all for stopping a project at the right point and moving on. Theres no reason to ride this into the ground. The game was(IS) great and Ill continue to enjoy it until he applies what he's learned on the next one. He seems like a smart cookie, I have full confidence that he can make the next go better without being constrained by the limitations of his previous project or have it looming over his head and potentially forcing him to compete with his own legacy.

quote:

I receive very little from the shirts
WHAT WHAT? there are shirts?

Holy hell those are actually all really cool.

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