sighnoceros posted:

Does anyone have any general tips for making the leap to harder difficulties? My group is currently playing hard most of the time, and I'd say our success ratio is finally edging over 50%. But Normal is pretty much a walk in the park at this point. We generally fall apart at the typical point, when something huge comes in, then something huge comes in again before we've fully recovered/reloaded/got back into place/are prepared to deal with it. Or we get hit from multiple sides simultaneously by multiple big guys.

My team is usually:

support (me)
commando
firebug
demo

All level 6.

I'm wondering if we're crippled because nobody plays a sharpshooter really. I like sharpshooter and have a level 5 but if I played sharp we wouldn't have a support. But then I've read that class make-up really isn't that important so I don't know.

I think one of our biggest problems is that the commando and, to an extent, the firebug have little ability to take down high-threat guys. Even the demo is better in groups of smaller guys due to having to waste so many nades on a large guy. When a scrake or fp comes through the fastest way to deal with it is usually my aa12 or a pipe.

So when we set up at some location and everyone takes a chokepoint, I can usually handle all my stuff no problem. But if a pipe in someone else's chokepoint goes off and isn't reset and something else shows up, that's when it goes to poo poo. But I feel like saying "we die because the other guys on my team can't handle high-threat enemies" is kind of pretentious and arrogant and I know it's not JUST that. But I do think that having relied on pipes for much of our big stuff has disadvantaged us a little for when poo poo hits the fan.

So with that in mind, any tips?

Edit: A little expansion on our usual tactics. Most of the time, we try to hold up in an area with 2 or 3 chokepoints, and enough space between the chokepoints to retreat in case poo poo hits the fan. I hold a chokepoint myself, and the commando and firebug either group up on the other one or hold one each. Then the demo is a floater, usually parked somewhere he can see both areas to rain down hellfire.

Also, for support I still prefer pump+aa12 instead of hunting+aa12. I use pump for all the small stuff and switch to aa12 for big guys or hairy situations. Should I try using hunting+aa12 and use aa12 for small stuff? Usually I am holding a chokepoint myself and am pretty self-sufficient so I'm not sure if aa12 would have enough ammo unless we switched tactics so I regularly have another partner to deal with the smaller guys.

Revitalized posted:

haha and pray tell, what would be the stalker kill count for 8 commando?

Scyantific posted:

So it's pretty certain that Christmas zeds will be coming back, along with the Christmas achievements, right? I missed out on the Bad Santa thing last year and would definitely like to add to my character collection that I will never use because I've got COMMANDO CHICKEN which owns beyond all bones.

alg posted:

http://www.killingfloorthegame.com/xmas2011/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMXDCuAU0hk

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

So this Killing Floor update happened and it seems to have broken my game.

Social Dissonance posted:

Could anyone give a rundown of any of the perks/classes that are completely useless for Suicide/HoE? I'm guessing Firebug just messes everyone's aim up completely and does nothing for damage. Likewise, I enjoy demolition, but I suspect they aren't as good either. Those are both of my favorite classes, but I don't want to end up grinding them up to find them non-viable for the "end" game.

Thoughtless posted:

Firebug is considerably better at killing trash than any commando. He has bigger clips and full penetration for his range, meaning he hurts quite a few mobs at once instead of one at a time like the commando.

I also play a sharpshooter, and firebug doesn't really bother me. Demolitions is a lot worse as far as aim-screwing goes.

RandolphCarter posted:

I finally hit level 5 commando. I think I'm going to cheat to level 6.

Koskinator posted:

How do you get that scrolling text of zed kills? I'd love to have that when I play.

Takes No Damage posted:

and tell them This is Killing Floor Bitches.

Takes No Damage posted:

e2: KF instructional videos! This is what (probably) happens when people weld doors in your game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09o8OatD64E

Alteisen posted:

I honestly do think people should start on beginner, if only just to learn what their class can do and what not to blast at without getting to severely penalized. I mean last night me and a bud where jumping around normal servers to help newbies and it was hilarious, I especially enjoyed the commando with the axe who never bought armor or bullets, I did my best to keep him alive and actually succeeded.

We don't try to be belligerent though, we just try to say "hey man, try doing this and see if it works for you", some where pretty nice about it and had a good time.

Alteisen posted:

You mean pistols only right?

The LAR can kill anything short of a scrake or FP in one shot, it stuns husks to. This is on non SS classes I might add, seriously the LAR is amazing, best weapon in the entire game and its only 200 dosh.

immortal flow posted:

I think the single best change they could make to KF and an excellent gameplay change for the sequel would be to increase the rate of zed spawning and the number of zeds that can exist at once the longer you stay in one spot.

So if you really want to hold a single chokepoint you'll have to work for it, but the game would be more lenient on teams that switch up location regularly.
Added bonus: strong teams can win the game faster instead of being limited by the spawn rate.

Takes No Damage posted:

An Actual Bear posted:

Just ignore the "Fugly" and "Spec Ops" parts and there's your answer.

Thoughtless posted:

Even with the amazing new rifle, Commando feels like the weakest class. Not nearly as good at killing trash as firebug, still no good against fleshpounds or the patriarch, not as good at zed-time as berserker. Not to mention firebug also has a better version of seeing cloaked enemies: setting them on fire.

Doesn't help that he has the most tedious level requirements either. Basically what I'm saying is don't play commando, new players.

Pumpking posted:

Ultimately both classes fulfil the same roles and neither class is clearly better than the other, they simply have different strengths and weaknesses which mean the deciding factor is personal preference as much as anything.

While the firebug is probably the more effective trash mob killer he really suffers on higher difficulties due to his low ammo supply. You are pretty useless when the small amount of flame-thrower fuel you can carry has run out and you are reduced to only the mac-10, which has a pretty mediocre ammo supply itself. This is particularly true if the team is camping one spot and there are no ammo boxes nearby. The flame-thrower also takes an eternity to reload, at least at lower levels. The commando on the other hand can deal with the trash less effectively but he can keep firing all day, as he gets reload speed bonuses and can carry so much ammo it is rarely an issue.

You can also see health bars through smoke as a commando, so you at least know where to fire when your vision is obscured by a (bad) demo.

az posted:

We're on hellride now.