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Has anyone written a book or good article taking a look at the more sociopathic actions that world governments might take in the future, if climate change is as bad as it looks, and doesn't get stopped? I've been thinking about all of this, and I'm more concerned about the human element in a global disaster than with the disaster itself. Nukes and germ/chemical warfare seem to be pretty much guaranteed in the midst of land-grabs and multiple waves of violent migration, etc... and it's even more disturbing to imagine the think-tanks that are being run right now within governments who might be looking at ways to solve those human element problems while holding onto their borders and farmable land. *edit* I'm really not sure why I'm going down this line of thought or asking for more of it... it kind of just piles more depressing poo poo on an already awful situation. 
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I also feel like the disturbing results that studies are coming up with have gone way past the point they would be at if all of these groups were looking to make money with sensationalism. I mean, what they're saying is already bad enough that most people can't accept it as a real risk just because of how scary it is. If anything, I would expect exaggerations and misinformation applied to short-term risks that are more easily accepted by normal people, as an effort to provoke action that would slow down the more serious long-term risks.
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Dec 15, 2011 20:42
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Also, a dying country isn't just going to say "welp" and keel over quietly. They're going to invade neighboring countries, fall into civil war, and once people actually realize what's happening, millions of citizens are going to attempt to move somewhere better, regardless of immigration laws, oceans, or blockade ships with 1st-world flags waiting to gun them down. Then add a bunch of terrorism into the equation, and some pieces of rusty cold-war hardware getting trotted out by anyone who has them... Even if somehow, none of that directly touched the U.S., we'll still be dealing with martial law and mass civil unrest in most states.
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Dec 20, 2011 01:58
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If the current political trends in the U.S. continue until we start facing serious climate-related problems, either everything is going to burn down, or the crisis will be weathered (by the government, if not the people) with massive doses of fascism. Right now they're passing a bill that makes protesting illegal if it's done (either knowingly or unknowingly) within a certain distance of some government officials and important events. Enjoy your 1 to 10 years in jail. 
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As an aside from that video, civilization described as "a group of survivalists" is an early, transitional stage. Saying that a group of survivalists is every civilization ever is like saying that a group of carpenters are the same as a homeowners association or an office that handles property taxes and repossessions. Once things are somewhat stable within a large group, power shifts to the upper levels where complex layers of thinking and governance are piled on top of the essentials year after year. Most members of civilizations like the United States are consumers. They work, they live in an artificial world of conceptual values and trade, then they go to a store or restaurant and buy food that has been grown, prepared, and shipped across the country or world for them. Most people are not directly involved in anything resembling "real life" as it would be for someone living in a community that had to provide for itself without the aid of a global infrastructure filled with existing wealth. Our civilization in the U.S. is poo poo at a lot of the important things. Our culture at large decided going to college and getting a fancy job was the upper-cass thing to do, and now we have a shortage of people in our workforce who can weld, perform skilled labor, and actually know how to maintain the most important and basic aspects of our world. Meanwhile, everyone with a "good" degree they probably weren't even sure they wanted is getting hosed over by the predatory systems that have grown around education and loans. Huge percentages of citizens are being forced into wage-slavery, so that they cannot do anything but barely subsist, and the wealth and work they create goes to people who give almost nothing back to the community and nation at large. Worse, our government wastes trillions of dollars while the highest level of politics puts on plays squabbling about pop-culture issues which turn into a frenzy of shocking news stories, and no one pays attention to anything remotely important. None of that stuff, except possibly the terrifying police state we're developing at a breakneck speed, will be of any use in a world facing a fraction of the adversity that is predicted in this thread. Locus fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Aug 12, 2013 |
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