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mpyro
Feb 9, 2003

'Cause I live and breathe this Fillydelphia freedom


What mods do people buy? I have all the contact ones unlocked.

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Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Shines like Gold.


God, I really just cannot stand playing against people who are dozens and dozens and dozens of ranks above me any more. I've tried to push past it, but it is just no fun to play against people who have way more experience, tricked out guns, and mods as to be untouchable.

Is there any indication, at all, that the developers are going to address this, or should I just write this off right now?

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007


Fuck you say?


THEY'RE GETTING TF2 IN MY APB

wtt stout shako fr joker box key

keeb
Sep 24, 2003
The Shocker

Cabbit posted:

God, I really just cannot stand playing against people who are dozens and dozens and dozens of ranks above me any more. I've tried to push past it, but it is just no fun to play against people who have way more experience, tricked out guns, and mods as to be untouchable.

Is there any indication, at all, that the developers are going to address this, or should I just write this off right now?

As people have said dozens of times in this thread. There's nothing to address here. You aren't losing because people have 'tricked out guns and mods as to be untouchable'. The default STAR or JG shotgun are both fantastic guns that do extremely well without mods. The fact that you're losing has more to do with your lack of experience, situational awareness, and teamwork.

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Shines like Gold.


keeb posted:

As people have said dozens of times in this thread. There's nothing to address here. You aren't losing because people have 'tricked out guns and mods as to be untouchable'. The default STAR or JG shotgun are both fantastic guns that do extremely well without mods. The fact that you're losing has more to do with your lack of experience, situational awareness, and teamwork.

Yeah, no, I mentioned experience. Rank is a crackerjack indicator of experience. I, as a person with almost no loving experience, keep getting faced off against people with a lot of it. Enough that they are virtually untouchable. That is bad. That is essentially inexcusable, seeing as they have a mechanism almost tailor made to track just how long you've been playing the loving game.

The mods and guns only exacerbate the problem. You cannot, with a straight face, that all other things being equal the presence of absence of mods and modded weapons are a non-factor. You add that on top of all the previous, and it makes a bad problem worse.

keeb
Sep 24, 2003
The Shocker

My point was I could give you the exact same weapon and character mods as the people that are stomping you, but it more than likely won't change anything. You just have to accept the fact that you're going to lose a lot before you begin to win. But playing with goons will help speed up the process.

Captain Swing
Dec 30, 2006



Do the things you believe in, it's alright
Don't worry, turn around, I will still be here
I'm not moving… (I'm not going anywhere) no really

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Shines like Gold.


keeb posted:

My point was I could give you the exact same weapon and character mods as the people that are stomping you, but it more than likely won't change anything. You just have to accept the fact that you're going to lose a lot before you begin to win. But playing with goons will help speed up the process.

I fully understood your point. My point is that playing against people who are near to my skill level allows me to learn while enjoying myself. Playing against people who are light years beyond me is not fun, and also drastically neuters the learning process (and turns away potential paying customers, like it's doing me). If I was playing against people who were within +/-20 of my rank it would be a lot smoother process overall than getting stomped by extremely well-traveled 165s.

Goofballs
Jun 2, 2011


Actually playing against high ranked people helps a lot because then you can figure out what they did to win. Have a run around the areas you get stomped in to understand why the stomping happened. The overall map is bigger than a team fortress 2 map obviously but the areas you end up fighting in tend to be a bit smaller so it shouldnt take too long to figure where it all went wrong and then you can either predict it and counter it or make use of it next time.

What's your in game name? The goon groups I've played in dont always win (in fairness some of them are going out of their way to lose) but they tend to do fairly well even when they don't.

Akion
May 7, 2006
Being the one mother warned you about, since 1983.

Captain Swing posted:


Do the things you believe in, it's alright
Don't worry, turn around, I will still be here
I'm not moving… (I'm not going anywhere) no really


You've got me doing this now. It's quite fun!

Meis
Sep 2, 2011

Even if I decide to kill someone, I'll make sure it isn't you!

Akion posted:

You've got me doing this now. It's quite fun!

Whenever I try it they turn around and shoot me in the face while I'm still typing the emote

Drizvolta
Oct 31, 2011

I hope nobody finds out I like anime


Is there anyone on right now that can add me to the group? I'm sick of trying to play with pubbies. In on Joker as Drizvolta.

bakageta
Apr 30, 2011



Cabbit posted:

I fully understood your point. My point is that playing against people who are near to my skill level allows me to learn while enjoying myself. Playing against people who are light years beyond me is not fun, and also drastically neuters the learning process (and turns away potential paying customers, like it's doing me). If I was playing against people who were within +/-20 of my rank it would be a lot smoother process overall than getting stomped by extremely well-traveled 165s.

Except, if they factored rank into matchmaking, all of the cheater rerolls would be facing new players even more, driving them off. Plus, it's not like you couldn't just make a new alt as an experienced player and still stomp all over people.

In theory, the threat system should actually end up accounting for skill and experience differences. If you're far more skilled than the average player, but don't have experience, you're going to be fighting the more experienced players as they'll have a similar threat to you. If you lose to them regularly, your threat will go down, and it will pit you against people better suited to fight against. You're not supposed to be able to win 90% of your missions, no matter how good you are. Proper matchmaking means you should expect to lose 50% of your matches.

Crate!
Nov 4, 2005



I wish to play pretty pretty dress up and cops and robbers at the same time, is this the game for me?

Name in game is Crates, shoot me an invite, please and thank you.

Akion
May 7, 2006
Being the one mother warned you about, since 1983.

Meis posted:

Whenever I try it they turn around and shoot me in the face while I'm still typing the emote

You could always take my alternate approach. Stun/Arrest them, then play country music while they are stuck on the ground listening to it.

You can, of course replace the country music with your obnoxious genre of choice. Showtunes are also a great option!

Goofballs
Jun 2, 2011


Akion posted:

You could always take my alternate approach. Stun/Arrest them, then play country music while they are stuck on the ground listening to it.

You can, of course replace the country music with your obnoxious genre of choice. Showtunes are also a great option!

I believe the standard emote for this situation is /fart while standing infront of them

Moogulus Caesar
Jan 28, 2005

Would that the internet had a single neck

I enjoy a good /danceirish.

They, generally, do not.

Derrio
Oct 12, 2010

That's not funny.


A friend just introduced me to this game, and I've spent the last 2 days realizing the potential of the garbage truck. It can take a real beating.

SniperX
Feb 10, 2011


Derrio posted:

A friend just introduced me to this game, and I've spent the last 2 days realizing the potential of the garbage truck. It can take a real beating.

No it can't. It's a neutered beast of a time long forgotten. Impressive to behold but out of its natural habitat, it is slowly dying out. The continuous destruction of the dump truck and it's natural habitat finally gave me insight into why those Whale Wars guys were so mad.

We'll miss you old girl

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007


Fuck you say?


Moogulus Caesar posted:

I enjoy a good /danceirish.

They, generally, do not.

Funny way of spelling /dancemichael or /danceballet you got there, bro.

Floppy Dingo
Jan 10, 2012

E/N success story!

Ask me about getting my kids back from CPS and improving their (and my) quality of life!


I don't get all the complaints about golds in bronze districts ect. I've recently become silver, and when I was bronze I was still able to kick some gold rear end. Sure, there were times when I've gotten my rear end handed to me, but I've seen it from all ranks. To be honest, I don't think threat serves to mark player skill very well. Rank? Pfft. So what, you have a rocket launcher. Does you no good if I don't give you the chance to use it. I've seen some really good bronzes, and really terrible golds.

In the end you just need to learn to play and quit looking at the ranks/threat. They're a poor system of measurement. My friend plays with me and he's somehow gold ranked even though 75% of the time he ends up 0-1-10 in missions. Learn not to stick your head out of cover too often/too long, learn where to move, learn your environment and how to use it. Learn your gun. I cannot stress the learning your gun part the most. The weapons aren't why you lose, it's because you run in with a STAR or an OBEYA and try to close range the guy with the EW 626.

Akion
May 7, 2006
Being the one mother warned you about, since 1983.

Goofballs posted:

I believe the standard emote for this situation is /fart while standing infront of them

Well, that goes without saying. They teach that as standard arrest procedure at the academy. Weren't you paying attention?

Meis
Sep 2, 2011

Even if I decide to kill someone, I'll make sure it isn't you!

One time I killed a gold in close range with my HS3 obeya against his CSG, with me using the obeya like a joker (meaning the crosshair had a 3 mile diameter). I don't know how that worked.

whatspeakyou
Mar 3, 2010

no fucks given.


Akion posted:

Well, that goes without saying. They teach that as standard arrest procedure at the academy. Weren't you paying attention?

I think we've perfected this. Yetie, me (Gumby), and a few others routinely poo poo in criminal's faces for hours.

The REAL Gtab Fan
Apr 12, 2007

That's right. Our weakness is that we're stupid.


Songbearer posted:

THEY'RE GETTING TF2 IN MY APB

wtt stout shako fr joker box key

The fact that you can get permanents from it will make me pick up a few just to try. Also, I'm slow with this stuff and someone linked it from that thread but I like the new Sitting Duck HVR. It's like they went "Man, that valentine's tag was cool, but how can we sell it all year round?"

The REAL Gtab Fan fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2012 around 17:18

Gasoline
Jul 31, 2008


The REAL Gtab Fan posted:

The fact that you can get permanents from it will make me pick up a few just to try.

Just wait until you find out that the "permanents" you can get are preset socks for the wrong gender.

The REAL Gtab Fan
Apr 12, 2007

That's right. Our weakness is that we're stupid.


Gasoline posted:

Just wait until you find out that the "permanents" you can get are preset socks for the wrong gender.

Socks are socks, but a mystery box could be anything! It could even be socks! You know how much I've wanted those.

An Unoriginal Name
Jul 11, 2011

My favorite touhou is my beloved Nitori.


Gasoline posted:

Just wait until you find out that the "permanents" you can get are preset socks for the wrong gender.

I didn't get socks for Xmas so this will be compensation.

Derrio
Oct 12, 2010

That's not funny.


Meis posted:

One time I killed a gold in close range with my HS3 obeya against his CSG, with me using the obeya like a joker (meaning the crosshair had a 3 mile diameter). I don't know how that worked.
God I've done this. I feel like I'm playing Counterstrike again.

Secret Sweater
Oct 17, 2005
dup

Meis posted:

One time I killed a gold in close range with my HS3 obeya against his CSG, with me using the obeya like a joker (meaning the crosshair had a 3 mile diameter). I don't know how that worked.

I've died to some of the most ridiculous poo poo with my CSG. Sometimes you can put 4-5 meatshots into some bronzie that's completely stationary and they'll still not die and subsequently kill you.

Can't kill all of the bronzies all of the time.

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007


Fuck you say?


The REAL Gtab Fan posted:

Also, I'm slow with this stuff and someone linked it from that thread but I like the new Sitting Duck HVR. It's like they went "Man, that valentine's tag was cool, but how can we sell it all year round?"

I love the idea, personally. It seems like a simple gun mod to make a wide variety of graphics for, it makes marking targets with a HVR very simple and it seems like it'd be worth it just to fill a weapon slot.

These are the kinds of mods I'd like to see, utility ones that are useful but won't involve a poo poo-ton of rebalancing. There are a few of these sitting around unused in the APB database, including carsurfing, different field supply crates such as fast cooldown, fast deploy, and a character mod that lets you take more falling damage but completely removes the recovery animation when you hit the ground.

There's also a 15% movement speed increase mod which also decreases your health by 15% or so, it'd seem nice for a glass cannon style character or a sniper who likes to be on the move at all times. Would probably just lead to spastic hackers bouncing off the walls though. There's a version that gives you it as a temporary boost instead, like nitro but for on-foot.

Akion
May 7, 2006
Being the one mother warned you about, since 1983.

whatspeakyou posted:

I think we've perfected this. Yetie, me (Gumby), and a few others routinely poo poo in criminal's faces for hours.

I am Yetie. :p


Derrio posted:

God I've done this. I feel like I'm playing Counterstrike again.


I had my crowning no-aim moment the other night. I pull up to a firefight between my team and the opposition and jump out of my car. I then jump over an enemy car and start spraying with my OCA. Except I had forgotten to switch from my CSA (or whatever the giant gently caress-off revolver is) and managed to somehow land a shot on someone and kill them.

Somehow I didn't get hackusated. Instead, they complimented my shot.

Akion fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2012 around 20:56

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007


Fuck you say?


Akion posted:

I had my crowning no-aim moment the other night.

My most recent noscope fantastrickery came from using the tommy gun in the Baylan fight club. I was engaging someone in combat up close, did the usual act of spraying the gun around like a loonie and hoping a few of the bullets hit her, I managed to catch her in the meatgrinder and she died. However, just before she died, one of my shots went stray, traveled across half the map and nailed someone who had just gotten wounded, killing him at split second before I killed my intended target.

Incidentally, I'm converting this amazing video (Thanks Daztek. touch my cat) into my APB loading screen. It's a metaphor for LTL.

I'm the moth.

Songbearer fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2012 around 21:05

NeoKabookie
Apr 4, 2004

We don't have to talk about the Matrix. We can talk about... stuff. Bands you like, girls we've dated, the Matrix...


Does anyone here feel confident enough with the music studio to help me create a Theme based on the song Walking on Sunshine by Aly & AJ.

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Shines like Gold.


Okay, I think the trick to enjoying losing is to watch Novasol piss people off with the grenade launcher. That was a loving hilarious way to kill three hours this morning.

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007


Fuck you say?


Cabbit posted:

Okay, I think the trick to enjoying losing is to watch Novasol piss people off with the grenade launcher. That was a loving hilarious way to kill three hours this morning.

That's the spirit. Try not to take the game too seriously (I'm not qualified to give this advice), because the amount of silly stuff that happens per mission makes it infuriating if you try to take it all at face value. By all means you can have fun being super tactical and stomping people via teamwork alone, but it's only a matter of time before you're paired up against people who are massively more skilled then you or just outright hacking.

When that happens, it's time to break out the OSMAW and OPGL and harvest some sweet sweet tears from people who will scream bullshit at you despite blocking your objectives, ghosting, macroing their weapons or taking advantage of whatever cheap trick they feel will help them win. In this game, being called a noob is a complement; it shows you're pissing someone really stupid off.

bakageta
Apr 30, 2011



Songbearer posted:

There's also a 15% movement speed increase mod which also decreases your health by 15% or so, it'd seem nice for a glass cannon style character or a sniper who likes to be on the move at all times. Would probably just lead to spastic hackers bouncing off the walls though. There's a version that gives you it as a temporary boost instead, like nitro but for on-foot.

I've actually had a chance to toy around with most of these on the OTW, they all felt pretty well balanced and I look forward to new contacts bringing some of them to live. Air Control is going to lead to a few more interesting camp spots that you normally couldn't reach, and Car Surfer is just hilariously fun. They made it so if you're the VIP, Car Surfer doesn't work, you just slide off cars as normal, which seems way better than trying to slow down cars that you're standing on, or worse, just letting the VIP run off at max speed.

Some of the mods end up being pretty awful though. The extra fall damage for no landing animation just cripples you IMO, any height where you'd have a landing animation, you take a ton of damage from. Fragile and the Epinephrine Injector seem pretty limited in use too, though combining them gives you some very cracked out speed.

Edward_Lapine
Jan 21, 2011

Sweatin' to the oldies!

NeoKabookie posted:

Does anyone here feel confident enough with the music studio to help me create a Theme based on the song Walking on Sunshine by Aly & AJ.

If I have time (and get the motivation to do it), I could make it for you this weekend. If you can find me the sheet music to the song I can easily transcribe it for you in the music maker thing. If I make it by ear, it'll probably be in some weird key and not sound right. I take it you want the chorus part "I'M WALKING ON SUNSHINE, WWEEELLLL, AND DON'T IT FEEL GOOD, HEY!"?

Novasol
Jul 27, 2006

Diversification is for pussies.

Cabbit posted:

Okay, I think the trick to enjoying losing is to watch Novasol piss people off with the grenade launcher. That was a loving hilarious way to kill three hours this morning.

It's better if we're on Teamspeak. When I leaned out the window of the car and got a drive-by grenade launcher kill on those people running towards the car I did a supervillain laugh.

Also, we won more than we lost. And I even only had one teamkill during the entire ordeal, which is a new personal best (worst?).

Songbearer posted:

In this game, being called a noob is a complement; it shows you're pissing someone really stupid off.

The other day, Kabuki witnessed a criminal and we robbed him of his $2000 hard-earned dollars. We were treated to a diatribe about how we must be using witnessing hacks (really dude?) because he WASN'T DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL while ramraiding and stealing cars. Apparently all enforcers are bullies and ruining the crim's time playing the game and they all work hard for their money but enforcers always come and just take it away and I SWEAR I'M JUST GETTING MONEY FOR MY ENFORCER ALT OFFICER

Then we started following him around. I have a Pioneer so this made it impossible for him to get any ramraiding done because I would just capsize him and pin him to a wall. Eventually he stole a dump truck and we engaged in a low-speed chase for about 15 minutes, all while he's taunting us to witness him because we can obviously do that at any time.

Eventually we went on to do other things. For the next three hours, he is still driving that dump truck around, wondering where his "good buddy" Novasol is. I think it was the first case I've ever seen of APB Stockholm Syndrome. If anyone sees a crim by the name of "poisun," tell him Novasol said hi.

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Captain Swing
Dec 30, 2006


No whistling today, only a new costume that utilizes the versatility of a pumpkin.

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