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You Am I
May 20, 2001

Still me @ ur poasting
HD Edition



Corvettefisher posted:

Okay so my SSD only stops responding and crashes my system when I open 12+ VM's at once, I guess I am just overloading the controller?

You sure it is the SSD and not the host OS making GBS threads itself?

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Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Corvettefisher posted:

Okay so my SSD only stops responding and crashes my system when I open 12+ VM's at once, I guess I am just overloading the controller?

Almost sounds like a RAM issue. Is it running out of physical or virtual memory?

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

Stay dandy baby....


Bob Morales posted:

Almost sounds like a RAM issue. Is it running out of physical or virtual memory?

16GB ram have 15%, about to be 32GB, I can run the VM's stable for 8+ hrs no crashing all performing heavy tasks no crashing only when I start up +5vm's at once

using 85% of physical ram, not overdoing that

Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at Dec 12, 2011 around 13:43

weapey
Jun 11, 2003

stomp stomp stomp


My company bought a Corsair Performance 3 back in March, and we are about to RMA our third replacement for it after it failing once again.

We've had the issue where the drive will lock up the system with the HDD on (except the mouse cursor, which can still be moved around). Typically a few reboots later you cannot boot into Windows due to your system freezing before it's finished booting.

There are no firmware updates for this drive AT ALL.

I also recommended the drive to a friend, who installed it and he's also on his third drive.

So yeah, if for whatever reason you stumble on this drive in a cracking deal, I'd recommend you steer clear of it.

mik
Oct 15, 2003
oh

I'm still of the opinion that the OP should just be: Buy Intel 320.

Unless you need something faster for some specialized reason (games and CDM screenshots don't count), then why take the risk of anything else.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Corvettefisher posted:

16GB ram have 15%, about to be 32GB, I can run the VM's stable for 8+ hrs no crashing all performing heavy tasks no crashing only when I start up +5vm's at once

using 85% of physical ram, not overdoing that

Weird, can you get it to crash running any benchmarks or gunzipping like 10 different, huge files at the same time? Any firmware updates out there?

text editor
Jan 8, 2007



mik posted:

I'm still of the opinion that the OP should just be: Buy Intel 320.

Unless you need something faster for some specialized reason (games and CDM screenshots don't count), then why take the risk of anything else.

I don't know why it isn't recommended either - supposedly super-stable and has the best random r/w performance? I'll take 10, please.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


mik posted:

I'm still of the opinion that the OP should just be: Buy Intel 320.

Unless you need something faster for some specialized reason (games and CDM screenshots don't count), then why take the risk of anything else.

This is my personal feeling, but I guess some want better CrystalDiskMark screenshots for their money.

Still, I'd say it's pretty clear cut if you have SATA300, and are happy with your machine - it should be the only thing to consider. With SATA600 you're open to other options if that floats your boat. Yes, I know you can get add-in cards with SATA600 (infact, I have one on my system, but only for a couple of hard drives, it was cheap), but it can sometimes be a bit of a stinkyhole to get Windows to play nice when installing, even if you have the drivers there, Windows 7 loves to do this thing where it refuses to install to certain drives unless they're first in boot order or some other unfathomable poo poo. (Although it usually will work fine if you unplug the other drives.. who knows).

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at Dec 12, 2011 around 17:39

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

For me but LEFTHANDED

The OP already recommended the SSD 320 for cases where reliability was paramount, I updated the first section to mention it too. I haven't seen any evidence of problems with the drives actually recommended in the OP, and with the SSD 320 you're paying a lot more for a drive that performs like it's from the last generation. This isn't just something that appears in benchmarks, Anandtech's real world traces show the SSD 320 taking 50% longer. If it was cheaper I would be much quicker to recommend it, but as it is it's an objectively bad deal, and there's no evidence of reliability issues with current-generation non-OCZ drives.

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

Stay dandy baby....


Bob Morales posted:

Weird, can you get it to crash running any benchmarks or gunzipping like 10 different, huge files at the same time? Any firmware updates out there?

Benchmarks don't fault it, just turning on multiple VM's at once

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

I can do sex. It's just alien sex.


Are all the VM's hard drives definitely stored on the SSD? You haven't accidentally passed it to one as RAW, have you?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

For me but LEFTHANDED

Corvettefisher posted:

Benchmarks don't fault it, just turning on multiple VM's at once
I'd also look at the error logs on the host OS, maybe the SATA controller driver is falling over under the sudden burst of commands. What drive are you using?

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

Stay dandy baby....


Factory Factory posted:

Are all the VM's hard drives definitely stored on the SSD? You haven't accidentally passed it to one as RAW, have you?

Yes, all 120GB worth of them. Drive is NTFS if that matters, which I don't see why it would. AHCI in bios and TRIM is on

Alereon posted:

I'd also look at the error logs on the host OS, maybe the SATA controller driver is falling over under the sudden burst of commands. What drive are you using?

No signs of sata fault, windows will just say "can't find E:\<path to VM>"

Not a big deal I just power on half then the other half after 2 minutes

chizad
Jul 9, 2001

'Cus we find ourselves in the same old mess
Singin' drunken lullabies

teethgrinder posted:

I just upgraded to an SSD and I'd like to 1. rant about how loving lovely Win7 is about moving the Users directory to another drive, and 2. request you put instructions for accomplishing this in the OP.

It's mostly my fault, but I can't believe how loving long it took me to set up my computer correctly. First of all, I have a lot of old lovely drives, and I can't quite afford to get rid of them. The moment prices drop after the Thai floods subside, I'll be all over it.

I followed this guide: http://windows7easy.wordpress.com/2...7-installation/

The guide was great, besides the fact it's saved in PDF format. The first attempt, I accidentally picked the wrong drive to put the user profile on. gently caress.

Second attempt I got the XML SysPrep file correct ... but I didn't realise all my drive letter assignations would reset. gently caress gently caress.

Third time I got those two parts right and it finally worked, but holy gently caress it's taken hours.

Yeah I made mistakes, but no user should have to write and load a customised XML file to accomplish this task correctly. I can't believe Microsoft wouldn't take any steps to make this easier for non-nerds. Maybe SSDs weren't common at Win7's launch, but 10K RPM SATA drives were. Same loving problem.

I know this is from a few days ago and you've been given a few alternatives, but this is how I handled this issue. My main user profile folder is on my SSD, so I still get the speed benefit for stuff like AppData and the like. But for Documents and Music/Movies/Pictures, I went to Properties -> Location tab and moved them to my non-SSD storage drive.

oversteer
Jun 5, 2005



Any recommendations on cloning software ? I'd like to buy a new SSD for my W7 desktop, then put my X25M into a Lenovo X61s. So I will need to clone the current install onto a larger replacement SSD, then clone the X61s Vista install onto the X25M, which is smaller than its existing drive..

Preferably something that works outside Windows, as I only have one desktop PC..

oversteer fucked around with this message at Dec 13, 2011 around 17:27

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

Stay dandy baby....


oversteer posted:

Any recommendations on cloning software ? I'd like to buy a new SSD for my W7 desktop, then put my X25M into a Lenovo X61s. So I will need to clone the current install onto a larger replacement SSD, then clone the X61s Vista install onto the X25M, which is smaller than its existing drive..

Preferably something that works outside Windows, as I only have one desktop PC..

You can do clonezilla and pop both drives in the machine then run the cloning tool

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Nurse?

chizad posted:

I know this is from a few days ago and you've been given a few alternatives, but this is how I handled this issue. My main user profile folder is on my SSD, so I still get the speed benefit for stuff like AppData and the like. But for Documents and Music/Movies/Pictures, I went to Properties -> Location tab and moved them to my non-SSD storage drive.
This is what I did when I had a VelociRaptor as my system drive. I'm quite happy with the end result of moving the whole thing, but I should have just created a junction or something.

I'm not convinced putting AppData on the SSD is such a great idea, at least when you can't afford a massive SSD. My computer and profile still load ultra-fast. Yeah, there are a lot of small files on AppData, but I don't think they get accessed that much. In addition, a tonne of dead or seldom-accessed data ends up there. I have four profiles on my computer, and each person accumulates a tonne of poo poo. I can't be enforcing deleting temp files all the time or removing local caches.

Currently AppData gets split between Remote, Local & LocalLow which I don't really understand the point of, especially LocalLow. It seems generally temp files and large files go into Local, while main profile-associated settings stuff goes into Remote. Maybe just splitting off Local onto an HDD would be a better solution?

When I did move the Documents/Music/Movies/Pictures directories on my VelociRaptor, the user profile directory was such a loving mess. Files somehow still occasionally seemed to manage to write to the wrong version of the folder after having Windows move it somehow.

Just a nuisance, but moving the directories also screws up permissions in the sense that ... it doesn't transfer any. I find it stressful keeping my porn stashed away, har.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


teethgrinder posted:

I find it stressful keeping my porn stashed away, har.

TrueCrypt

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Nurse?

I tried it once before, but my drives were such a mess it was a bigger pain to set up.

Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend

After upgrading motherboards, my Intel 320 dropped to 5.9 on the Windows Experience, where before it was 7 something. I have AHCI enabled. I'm supposed to be using Sata 0 on the motherboard for my primary drive, right?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

For me but LEFTHANDED

Rent posted:

After upgrading motherboards, my Intel 320 dropped to 5.9 on the Windows Experience, where before it was 7 something. I have AHCI enabled. I'm supposed to be using Sata 0 on the motherboard for my primary drive, right?
Same version of Windows, right? You installed the latest Intel RST drivers?

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

I can do sex. It's just alien sex.


I wouldn't worry about it. My Crucial C300 dropped from 7.8 to 5.9, yet there's been no performance difference. Maybe a patch got WEI confused about system drives and secondary drives, I dunno.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003



weapey posted:

We've had the issue where the drive will lock up the system with the HDD on (except the mouse cursor, which can still be moved around). Typically a few reboots later you cannot boot into Windows due to your system freezing before it's finished booting.

I got a Kingston v100 for a good price a couple of months ago and had this problem for couple of days before constant blue screens and frequent inability to boot into Windows. Reinstalled Windows fresh and it works better but still getting them with certain programs - I guess the drive is faulty then? Have no experience with SSDs but have checked the RAM and CPU and I guess this is what I'm left with.

MachinTrucChose
Jun 25, 2009


OP needs to have SteamMover which was linked in the last thread.

It's for people running an SSD as the OS/Program Files drive, and secondary large-capacity HDD as a secondary drive. By using it, any program installed to the large-capacity drive can be moved to the SSD through the magic of junctions/symbolic links (think of them as super shortcuts). And vice-versa. You can reverse the operation at any time.

This way your most commonly used programs can be run from the SSD without having to reinstall anything ever.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Nurse?

I used to just create symbolic links from console, but later tried using that app. It oddly failed more than half the time for some reason and I'd have to create them manually anyway.

I've recently been just using this shell extension to drag and drop links for Steam:
http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlink...nkshellext.html

Also strategically, this time I put Steam on my storage drive and I'm just choosing specific games to put on the SSD. So much less trouble.

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down


SteamMover is also great because while, yeah, it's just doing xcopy operations, it's waaay better than SteamTool. It allows as many junction locations as you want, which is super handy if you have three SSDs that get games you're currently playing on them, and like a total idiot you made the heroic error of making one of the SSDs your Steam folder.

Ugh, I really wish I would have just had it on the HDD in the first place and use SteamMover to put them on the SSDs, feels like I'm shuffling around stuff all the time. I didn't understand just how deep Steam gets its claws into you. It was a more innocent time, when 240(ish)GB of games seemed like it'd never be filled. Now I've got like 100 Steam games, and the prospect of redownloading them seems dumb and unnecessary since I've got two 2TB HDDs (hey, guys, remember back when HDD prices were sane?). At this point, I have no idea how I'd even move the folder with its multiple junctions to an HDD in the first place to start over and just put the large/many random reads games I play onto the SSDs.

fletcher
Jun 27, 2003

ken park is my favorite movie

Yeah but how many of those 100 games are you never going to play again? Just delete them, you digital hoarder

Gorilla Salsa
Dec 4, 2007

Post Post Post.


Yeah, I don't even own an SSD yet, and I have plenty of drive space, I just don't see the need to have a million games installed when I'm not even using them.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Nurse?

edit: I fail at pushing buttons.

All I was going to say, you can move the game directories around all you want. Delete the links, move the directory, create the link, then "install" the game in Steam and it will pick up the new location.

I delete games I'll never play again, and use the backup tool to save games to my external backup drive for titles I might want to reinstall later.

I have total gaming ADD though and might easily pick through dozens of games at any given moment before I start knocking them off my list.

teethgrinder fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2011 around 03:57

every
Apr 24, 2008

err

I really, really like having an SSD. I did the OWC data doubler thing and got my OS and apps on it. Such a good move.

My question: with an SSD, is it harmful to leave the computer on overnight, or should I try and turn it off whenever I can?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

For me but LEFTHANDED

It doesn't matter at all, just make sure it's set to go into Standby Mode when idle so it's not wasting electricity.

Edit: I added SteamMover to the OP.

Alereon fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2011 around 05:15

every
Apr 24, 2008

err

Also, what are people's thoughts about enabling noatime in Unix systems?

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down


fletcher posted:

Yeah but how many of those 100 games are you never going to play again? Just delete them, you digital hoarder

4TB of space, I flit around and don't stick with just one game, so... nope!

From 12 games to 100 games (Steam sales and Humble Bundles/Royale Bundles, score) for less than the price of a 2TB HDD before the flooding and all in the last few months, they're all good candidates for playing at any given time. And, hell, it's my space, I don't care what you put on yours but if you should happen to need a tool to move games around from Steam installation default location to elsewhere without having to manually create NTFS junctions, SteamMover is it!

Agreed fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2011 around 06:31

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
WELL ARNT I JUST MR. LA DE FUCKEN DA. oh yea and i suck cocks too


every posted:

Also, what are people's thoughts about enabling noatime in Unix systems?
I've looked into it for myself for OS X and couldn't find much reason not to enable it, there seemed to be very few things that needed it, and on other *NIXs you can replace atime with relatime.

I just found this on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stat_(...ticism_of_atime

quote:

However, turning off atime updating breaks POSIX compliance, and some applications, notably the mutt mail reader (in some configurations), and some file usage watching utilities, notably tmpwatch. In the worst case, not updating atime can cause some backup programs to fail to backup a file.
When I was looking into it I kept seeing mutt and tmpwatch mentioned, as for anything else,

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


every posted:

Also, what are people's thoughts about enabling noatime in Unix systems?

Why?

text editor
Jan 8, 2007



Bob Morales posted:

Why?


It's pushed by Arch & Ubuntu users as a way to lower the amount of writes ever-so-slightly.


I say don't do it.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


I thought it was supposed to be a hot issue a while back, and relative access time was proposed as a way to avoid the performance loss.

Edit: Ah, here we go, in Ubuntu at least (since 8.04), it seems like it is normal practice to mount the volumes using relatime: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2369/

I'm thinking too far in the past, here

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2011 around 13:55

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Uterus Poker posted:

It's pushed by Arch & Ubuntu users as a way to lower the amount of writes ever-so-slightly.


I say don't do it.

I know why, I just don't know why anyone would bother doing it.

Trying to mimize writes to your SSD with all these goofy tricks is like being the kid who got new rollerblades for christmas but never wore them because he didn't want to mess them up. By the time he decided to use them outside, they were too small.

text editor
Jan 8, 2007



Bob Morales posted:

Trying to mimize writes to your SSD with all these goofy tricks is like being the kid who got new rollerblades for christmas but never wore them because he didn't want to mess them up. By the time he decided to use them outside, they were too small.

To be fair, out of this list here, I really don't see the problem in using a lot of the tricks to cut down on writes/space usage, since a lot of them are a one-time set up kind of thing that really only require you to have extra RAM. This is no problem for me, since my new laptop has 8GB thanks to plummeting RAM prices and I rarely ever use over 1.

Things I do/have done:
-Place Firefox profile and /tmp in RAM (2gb reserved for temp, could get away with less)
-Compiling in /dev/shm - /dev/shm is a temporary ram disk, might as well do this if you have spare RAM since it's still marginally faster than an HDD, and the biggest difference in disk writes the Arch wiki mentions in the noatime section comes from a clean make.
-Use ext4 - it's pretty much the default now anyways for most Linux distros
-Set a low amount of swap space just in case, but set swappiness to 1 (1-100)
-Change scheduler from CFQ to noop

Keep in mind that my time is basically worthless so I don't have trouble finding time to add in all these little fixes, though, although all of these can be done in a few commands each.

My question is: is the "proper partition alignment" thing listed there worth it or not?

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Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Uterus Poker posted:

My question is: is the "proper partition alignment" thing listed there worth it or not?

It's a huge factor in performance.

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