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UnfurledSails posted:What happened to T-Mac? I checked his Wiki page but it's a wall of text. He's not that old, right? He's logged a lot of mileage once he came out of high school. Years of overuse and not taking care of his body have caught up to him. He's getting by on smart play, which I wish he would've utilized more when his body hadn't given out yet but here we are
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So his body gave out, Oden style? drat, that's a shame.
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UnfurledSails posted:So his body gave out, Oden style? drat, that's a shame. He's still shooting for the same percentages he always has, I guess he just doesn't have the legs to play 35+ minutes a game anymore. Plus he's had back and knee injuries pretty constantly for a couple years now and I don't think he ever quite fully recovered.
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UnfurledSails posted:So his body gave out, Oden style? drat, that's a shame. Not quite. Like a lot of other players, he's had maybe a little more than his share of injuries. Unlike a lot of these players. he hasn't always shown a willingness to rehab properly and take care of himself. His otherworldly athleticism is long gone now, and like BIZORT said he gets by on his brains now. He is actually a very smart player, especially when it comes to setting up teammates.
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Can a player win the Finals MVP while not winning the series?
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| # ? Feb 23, 2012 02:31 |
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UnfurledSails posted:Can a player win the Finals MVP while not winning the series? Yes, but it has only happened once, when Jerry West did it. Since the whole thing is just a contest about the most popular player on the winning team, not really.
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UnfurledSails posted:What happened to T-Mac? I checked his Wiki page but it's a wall of text. He's not that old, right? He has a very bad back I think, and maybe some knee issues (I might be making the knee part up). I think he's like 32. News: Chris Broussard says Durant is the mid-season MVP. Views: I guess this makes sense from the Derrick Rose precedent. Ross fucked around with this message at Feb 23, 2012 around 02:44 |
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Ross posted:He has a very bad back I think, and maybe some knee issues (I might be making the knee part up). I think he's like 32. From now on, no more MVP's over the age of 23.
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I thought this was the N/V thread, oops.
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So I was listening to ESPN Radio and they were, as usual, trying to make controversy out of nothing, this time about Lebron passing instead of taking a last-second shot in the all star game. Ignoring the fact that no one cares anyway cause it's a loving exhibition game, this is a criticism I see thrown at Lebron a lot. I know very little about basketball but my understanding is that Lebron is a fantastic passer and this leads to him preferring to pass to someone who's open in these situations rather than take a contested shot, am I wrong?
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EnterYourNameHere posted:So I was listening to ESPN Radio and they were, as usual, trying to make controversy out of nothing, this time about Lebron passing instead of taking a last-second shot in the all star game. Ignoring the fact that no one cares anyway cause it's a loving exhibition game, this is a criticism I see thrown at Lebron a lot. I know very little about basketball but my understanding is that Lebron is a fantastic passer and this leads to him preferring to pass to someone who's open in these situations rather than take a contested shot, am I wrong? No, you're right. He's a point forward basically, he's doing what he's supposed to do. Plus, I feel like Bosh and Wade both have more polished 1 on 1 games than Lebron, so I'd probably prefer one of them to take a shot. Lebron is a better scorer in a lot of other situations -- I mean, he's arguably the most unstoppable player in transition in the history of the league (right up there with Dr. J), and he has more range than Wade. It's just that his handle and his post-up are probably the weakest parts of his game, so he's not especially suited to running iso at the end of the game the way Jordan, Kobe, Paul Pierce, etc. can. You should also probably stop listening to ESPN radio. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2012 around 08:45 |
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You're way better off passing it than trying some isolation bullshit that everyone sees coming. Plus, it's the loving all star game. You have 4 other really good players out there with you. It's not like you're passing to Damon Jones and hoping for the best
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Mechafunkzilla posted:No, you're right. He's a point forward basically, he's doing what he's supposed to do. Plus, I feel like Bosh and Wade both have more polished 1 on 1 games than Lebron, so I'd probably prefer one of them to take a shot. Lebron is a better scorer in a lot of other situations -- I mean, he's arguably the most unstoppable player in transition in the history of the league (right up there with Dr. J), and he has more range than Wade. It's just that his handle and his post-up are probably the weakest parts of his game, so he's not especially suited to running iso at the end of the game the way Jordan, Kobe, Paul Pierce, etc. can. That makes a lot of sense, thanks. quote:You should also probably stop listening to ESPN radio. yup
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Lebron is basically a bigger, better Clyde Drexler who also happens to be the best defender in the league. If you watch old Trail Blazers footage their games are really, really similar, although Lebron handles it more and Drexler was better moving without the ball.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Lebron is basically a bigger, better Clyde Drexler who also happens to be the best defender in the league. If you watch old Trail Blazers footage their games are really, really similar, although Lebron handles it more and Drexler was better moving without the ball. Yeah, their drive-to-the-basket style is very similar. Size difference though.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Lebron is basically a bigger, better Clyde Drexler who also happens to be the best defender in the league. If you watch old Trail Blazers footage their games are really, really similar, although Lebron handles it more and Drexler was better moving without the ball. This is a pretty good comparison actually.
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never thought of that. Now I want to watch old Drexler footage. Are there any other good comparisons in that vein? I always liked the Melo/Bernard King one as well
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the_american_dream posted:never thought of that. Now I want to watch old Drexler footage. Jeremy Lin and Tiny Archibald 
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the_american_dream posted:never thought of that. Now I want to watch old Drexler footage. Well, surprisingly few people acknowledge how similar Wade is to first ten years Jordan in playstyle, other than being a lot worse. I wish any player in the league resembled Chuck (do not name a fat person  ) because he was the most fun to watch but no one does.
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DeimosRising posted:Well, surprisingly few people acknowledge how similar Wade is to first ten years Jordan in playstyle, other than being a lot worse. I wish any player in the league resembled Chuck (do not name a fat person Barkley was a freak of nature. He's right near the bottom of the list in terms of players who we're likely to see someone similar to.
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Jeffrey murdered Drexler in the '92 Finals. Absolutely slaughtered him. Rest in Peace, Clyde.
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Twat McTwatterson posted:Jeffrey murdered Drexler in the '92 Finals. Absolutely slaughtered him. Rest in Peace, Clyde. Drexler played some good old man ball in '95 and got a ring 
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Barkley was a freak of nature. He's right near the bottom of the list in terms of players who we're likely to see someone similar to. 6'5", generously 6'6" PF who played between 250 and 300 pounds but was one of the league's high flyers. Career 17.5 ast% from pf, 119ortg and .216 ws/g, .612ts% on 24.8% usage. From 87-91 his lowest ortg was 123 and his lowest ts% was .635. Posted up and boxed out guys easily 6-10 inches taller than him and made it look easy. I don't know that there's really any similar player before him, either.
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DeimosRising posted:6'5", generously 6'6" PF who played between 250 and 300 pounds but was one of the league's high flyers. Career 17.5 ast% from pf, 119ortg and .216 ws/g, .612ts% on 24.8% usage. From 87-91 his lowest ortg was 123 and his lowest ts% was .635. Posted up and boxed out guys easily 6-10 inches taller than him and made it look easy. I don't know that there's really any similar player before him, either. 6'4.5"-6'4.75" from what I've heard. Looking at the Dream Team group photos is really freaky. He's demonstrably shorter than any player other than Stockton. Redgrendel2001 fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2012 around 22:33 |
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Magic Johnson is another one of those guys we may never see again. 6'8" pure point (Lebron can thread the needle, but he is not a pure PG) who can legitimately play every position. He's career would have had many more productive years too, since he was adjusting well to his athleticism waning and instead used his size more.
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I think I remember reading somewhere that Derozan is very similar to early EARLY Jordan as in dunker/scorer but not much else. I'm not saying this since I never see Toronto and have no idea how young Jordan played
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the_american_dream posted:I think I remember reading somewhere that Derozan is very similar to early EARLY Jordan as in dunker/scorer but not much else. heh, no EARLY Jordan "dunked/scored and not much else"'d his way to 28/7/6/2.5 his rookie season at .592 TS% 
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Barkley was a freak of nature. He's right near the bottom of the list in terms of players who we're likely to see someone similar to. What about Blake Griffin?
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NotWearingPants posted:What about Blake Griffin? His game is not similar to Barkley's at all. I'm not saying we haven't/won't see people of similar athletic freakishness to Barkley, there have been plenty of those (Jordan, David Robinson, Connie Hawkins, Wilt, Dr. J, Lebron). Just that we won't see a similar "player".
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Jordan averaged 37 ppg in his 3rd season in 86-87 while shooting 48 percent. There is nothing like Jordan. edit: and yeah, Barkley's game is unique to Barkley. One of a kind, won't be another. Twat McTwatterson fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2012 around 22:31 |
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the_american_dream posted:I think I remember reading somewhere that Derozan is very similar to early EARLY Jordan as in dunker/scorer but not much else. The short answer to this is no. The long answer involves things like getting to the line, drawing double teams, finishing well at the rim, passing well, rebounding well, and basically all manners of not being as good as even 2004 Jordan at any one aspect of basketball.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:6'4.5"-6'4.75" from what I've heard. Looking at the Dream Team group photos is really freaky. He's demonstrably shorter than any play other than Stockton. Lockback posted:Magic Johnson is another one of those guys we may never see again. 6'8" pure point (Lebron can thread the needle, but he is not a pure PG) who can legitimately play every position. He's career would have had many more productive years too, since he was adjusting well to his athleticism waning and instead used his size more. warning: HEIGHTCHAT Judging from photos and games, which can be misleading, and measurements at various points, Chuck is probably 6'4.5" out of and 6'5.5" in shoes. He does have pretty long arms but not freaky long. Johnson might actually be 6'9" and has super crazy long arms. What's the all Never See Them Again team look like? Magic/Penny/Bird/Chuck/Shaq? Jordan wasn't all that atypical a player in style or anything he was just way better at everything than everyone else.
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DeimosRising posted:Jordan wasn't all that atypical a player in style or anything he was just way better at everything than everyone else. Right. Kobe and Jordan are essentially exactly the same. Kobe modeled so much of not just his game, but his personality, his walk, his loving voice, everything after Jordan. To his credit, at age 17 he came up saying "I'm better than Mike."
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DeimosRising posted:warning: HEIGHTCHAT That team seems right. I know he's not as :topflight: as the ones you named, but I'd toss in Michael Cooper as a 6th man; very unique physique and skill set.
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DeimosRising posted:What's the all Never See Them Again team look like? Magic/Penny/Bird/Chuck/Shaq? Jordan wasn't all that atypical a player in style or anything he was just way better at everything than everyone else. If you're going by how unique a player was, there will never be another Rodman.
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misplaced axon posted:If you're going by how unique a player was, there will never be another Rodman. That's an interesting one. There are a lot of guys who don't do anything but rebound well; on the other hand Rodman was just completely out in a class of his own in that respect. I tend to think he's more like Jordan, in that they are both actually had pretty common playing styles that they did so superlatively as to be almost outside the realm of comparison to other players of the same kind. When I think of guys like Chuck, Bird, Penny, or Magic, I come up with nothing.
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That article that makes the case that since Rodman is the greatest 3rd-guy of all time by such a margin, that he is actually the greatest player of all time is a really good one. He's another guy we won't ever see, probably because he was likely an alien or something.
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You guys are really short-selling Rodman's D. He did manage to stop Karl Malone from running amock. E: Although, looking at the raw splits... Declan MacManus fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2012 around 23:11 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:His game is not similar to Barkley's at all. I'm not saying we haven't/won't see people of similar athletic freakishness to Barkley, there have been plenty of those (Jordan, David Robinson, Connie Hawkins, Wilt, Dr. J, Lebron). Just that we won't see a similar "player". Dejuan Blair is similar to Barkley. Not even close in terms of ability or anything, but he's another guy you watch and you can't help but wonder how he's effective at all.
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DeimosRising posted:warning: HEIGHTCHAT What made Penny that special? I was young and not all that into basketball in his heyday Isnt Dirk pretty close to Bird's type?
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