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Ross posted:Bernard King also achieved this feat once or twice I think.
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Also there were no threes before the 1979-80 season, so the points per shot for guys who frequently hoisted it from deep but only got two points (e.g. Jerry West) aren't real comparable to the newer shooters on there like Reggie (1.44 points/shot for a high-usage guard is pretty nuts). I'm not sure if Havlicek was a long-range chucker or not, maybe a venerable Celtics fan can clear up this issue. Before compiling that list, if you would have asked me "which player on the career top 20 scoring list is closest to Shaq in points per shot?", Reggie Miller would not have been my first guess. Ross fucked around with this message at Jan 25, 2012 around 00:43 |
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Ross posted:Also there were no threes before the 1979-80 season, so the points per shot for guys who frequently hoisted it from deep but only got two points (e.g. Jerry West) aren't real comparable to the newer shooters on there like Reggie (1.44 points/shot for a high-usage guard is pretty nuts). I'm not sure if Havlicek was a long-range chucker or not, maybe a venerable Celtics fan can clear up this issue. Reggie Miller wasn't high usage, actually (career 21.6%)
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kingcobweb posted:Reggie Miller wasn't high usage, actually (career 21.6%) Of course, when the majority of your offense comes from running off screens, it's not surprising that he didn't always have the ball in his hands. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
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kingcobweb posted:Reggie Miller wasn't high usage, actually (career 21.6%) I figured he'd at least have the highest on his team most of the the time, but upon review Chuck Person jacked up a lot of shots.
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| # ? Jan 25, 2012 01:05 |
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Can someone explain what "give and go" is?
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| # ? Jan 28, 2012 07:30 |
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Basically, making a pass to a (usually) posting up teammate and making a quick cut to the basket where the teammate passes it back.
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| # ? Jan 28, 2012 08:03 |
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Ball handler passes to (usually) a big with his back to the basket. As soon as he makes the pass and his defender's attention is turned to the big with the ball, he cuts hard (usually) to the rim or to an open spot on the perimeter, and the big passes the ball back to him for an open shot. The ballhandler is trying to create space for himself by distracting his defender by getting rid of the ball, moving somewhere else while his defender's eyes follow the ball, and getting the ball back. Like this
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xpost from the N/V thread cause I guess I'm supposed to put my dumb questions here: Can anyone point me towards some reading that explains the differences between NCAA and/or Euroleague basketball and the NBA?
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| # ? Feb 5, 2012 05:03 |
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Guliani is HOT posted:xpost from the N/V thread cause I guess I'm supposed to put my dumb questions here: http://www.usabasketball.com/rules/rules.html Google is hard
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HeroOfTheRevolution posted:http://www.usabasketball.com/rules/rules.html Maybe they were looking for something with more depth than just the rules differences? 
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Mornacale posted:Maybe they were looking for something with more depth than just the rules differences? Yeah. I keep hearing announcers say "oh he needs to learn to do X which he wasn't really able to develop in the Euroleague" or stuff or that. I'm mostly curious about how people have to adjust their play when they get to the NBA and not about the fact that an NBA regulation court is 3/4ths of a foot wider than a FIBA one. Which it is, apparently.
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College is a bunch of talent out-working talent and lots of 3-pointers to offset said-talent. Euroleague is basically big men that can hit jumpers and everyone stands around hitting jumpers and jumpers and I guess more jumpers. The biggest adjustment to the NBA is that everyone is basically a world-class athlete. Speed adjustment to both your teammates and your opponent is probably the biggest hurdle. Next is the length of the game and how frequent it is for endurance.
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Guliani is HOT posted:Yeah. I keep hearing announcers say "oh he needs to learn to do X which he wasn't really able to develop in the Euroleague" or stuff or that. I'm mostly curious about how people have to adjust their play when they get to the NBA and not about the fact that an NBA regulation court is 3/4ths of a foot wider than a FIBA one. Which it is, apparently. In Europe, players play fewer minutes, and preference is given to veterans, particularly those who have been with the team for a while, in terms of play time. So when you move to the NBA, if you're a starting level guy you need to adjust to playing an additional 10-15 minutes a game. This, in addition to the longer season, longer games, and more frequent games Tae mentioned, means that the endurance expectations and injury resistance/recovery necessary are much higher. NBA players are more athletic on the whole, and Americans play a style of ball that involves a lot of hard cuts to the rim and a generally higher speed (I also get the impression that pace is higher but I'm not sure on that). A guy like Rubio, for example, is much better in the NBA because there guys are moving more, towards the basket, and able to jump higher so there are targets for his excellent passing. Euro play is also more centered on post play by bigs, the three point line is marginally closer, and until recently the lane was trapezoidal, which altered where players could stand, especially on defense, devaluing defensive bigs somewhat. Tae posted:College is a bunch of talent out-working talent and lots of 3-pointers to offset said-talent. I don't have any idea what you meant by this.
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DeimosRising posted:I don't have any idea what you meant by this. Maybe he meant non-talent outworking talent? I don't know. College basketball is basically just 5th-year high school basketball at this point. Tons and tons and tons of good basketball players with no shot in hell of making the NBA, with a couple of great prospects sprinkled in there. The atmosphere is fun but the actual basketball is boring as hell because there are so few playmakers out there.
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Papercut posted:College basketball is basically just 5th-year high school basketball at this point. Tons and tons and tons of good basketball players with no shot in hell of making the NBA, with a couple of great prospects sprinkled in there. The atmosphere is fun but the actual basketball is boring as hell because there are so few playmakers out there. A crazy world where a rational mind would assume that between two players battling, one would be able to beat the other off the dribble. After watching a few minutes, you realize this is no rational world.
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The main difference between college and the pros are that very few college players are able to create their own shot. College basketball is awesome because: 1. March Madness owns 2. Drunk college douchebags are more entertaining than rich people unless it is a Lakers game and they are wearing ridiculous cowboy outfits or golden medallions. 3. It is great for learning about what makes a good look because most college players don't hit shots unless they are wide open. 4. Crazy zone defenses. 5. Can't play defense or create a shot? Bomb threes all day everyday, preferably from the chest (the Northwestern method). The one thing I despise about college baksetball is the 35 second shot clock that takes forever. On the one hand, I know from experience that it takes crappy college offenses a long time to actually get a guy open enough to make a shot, but why can't it be 30 seconds?
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Does anyone else notice that a ball off the rim sounds different in college then the NBA? The college brick sounds is very resounding and dissapointing, the NBA brick is a really sharp quick sound. I know this sounds crazy but it annoys me every time I watch college basketball. e: I really wish college would shorten the shot clock and get rid of the possession arrow and actually jump balls.
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R.D. Mangles posted:The one thing I despise about college baksetball is the 35 second shot clock that takes forever. On the one hand, I know from experience that it takes crappy college offenses a long time to actually get a guy open enough to make a shot, but why can't it be 30 seconds? What are they, a bunch of women? Next thing you know they'll be moving the women's three point line out. streetlamp posted:Does anyone else notice that a ball off the rim sounds different in college then the NBA? The college brick sounds is very resounding and dissapointing, the NBA brick is a really sharp quick sound. I know this sounds crazy but it annoys me every time I watch college basketball. I think the NBA rims are made different to be dunked on more, and likely mic'd differently. Jump balls are absolutely the worst and no one in their right mind should want more jump balls.
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R.D. Mangles posted:The one thing I despise about college baksetball is the 35 second shot clock that takes forever. On the one hand, I know from experience that it takes crappy college offenses a long time to actually get a guy open enough to make a shot, but why can't it be 30 seconds? I cannot watch college basketball because of the long shot clock. Bad teams purposefully pass around the perimeter waiting for time to wind down to launch a three and they are strategically right to do so. I JUST HATE IT.
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Cool, thanks guys.
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Do college players ever get the chance to play competitively against experienced pros at all?
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Monday Bandele posted:Do college players ever get the chance to play competitively against experienced pros at all? At playgrounds. Dream used to play against Moses Malone. He said Malone would just beat the hell out of him and tell him to be a man.
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Is there any reasoning behind why screens are allowed? Watched the Sixers/Clippers games and at one point Iggy was on Paul real tight matching move for move until the Clippers Evans blindsides Iggy with a huge screen, freeing up Paul for a shot. It was like running into a wall for Iggy. I'm just wondering if there's any reason behind this being allowed other than "it always has been"? In hockey something like that would result in an interference penalty.
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Orgophlax posted:I'm just wondering if there's any reason behind this being allowed other than "it always has been"? In hockey something like that would result in an interference penalty. "It has always been" is a pretty good reason in this case, because I'm not really sure why they would be made illegal in the first place. They don't confer an unfair advantage like they do in say, football, where they can create a guaranteed blown coverage. I'm not a hockey expert so I can't really comment on that, but if I had to guess: basketball players are on foot and not on skates, which means they can change direction much quicker to avoid a pick, whereas hockey players with enough momentum basically couldn't avoid one. Beyond that, basketball offense basically wouldn't work without picks.
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Setting a pick is all about team play. Evans helped Paul out in that case. It is the most beautiful thing when you're on the lesser athletic and talented team, but you're winning because of picks and cuts.
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Orgophlax posted:Is there any reasoning behind why screens are allowed? What's the alternative? You're not allowed to stand on a spot?
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jyrka posted:What's the alternative? You're not allowed to stand on a spot? You're certainly allowed to skate in front of a defender in hockey and make him take the long way around you (because yes, you're allowed your space), but if you actively force contact like a pick in basketball, it's a penalty.
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Orgophlax posted:There's a difference between standing in a spot and actively running into a defender to prevent him from following the ball carrier. What you're describing here is actually a moving pick, which would be illegal, so I'm a little confused.
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All sorts of poo poo gets missed by the refs but players aren't allowed to run into defenders. The pick setter is supposed to leave the defender room enough to stop or change directions.
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The rule for picks is supposed to be "be a post" which refers to the fact that in the early days of basketball there were columns in the middle of the court which could be used to shake off a defender. Now, there's a little leeway there, but running into someone's a moving screen. Where you get people getting demolished is when they're blindsided by the pick. I'm with the others in saying that I like seeing people other than superstars go to the rim so the screen improves the game for me.
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| # ? Feb 11, 2012 13:59 |
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They have not actually called moving screens for the last like five years, so I can see why he's confused.
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MorningView posted:They have not actually called moving screens for the last like five years, so I can see why he's confused. Or is Bill Simmons correct and NBA refs are just the worst of any sport?
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Illegal screen is a blocking foul. Also it's the torso that has to be set, not feet.
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Yeah never mind, I'm getting myself confused now. I'll just go with what MorningView said.
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Orgophlax posted:Aren't blocking fouls essentially the same thing? Why is that called so often (even when the defender has both feet set) yet it seems allowed in the perimeter? Is it just one of those nuances that officiating in each league seems to have? Yes, NBA refs really are atrocious. Blocking is only called when the offensive player is going to the hoop to score. It's supposed to be called when the defender is moving, gets there late or is in the restricted area (though there are more rules regarding this. The defender can be in the circle if he's there before the offensive player starts his move). Also if the offensive player is Dwyane Wade or Kevin Durant.
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Orgophlax posted:Yeah never mind, I'm getting myself confused now. I'll just go with what MorningView said. Nobody is allowed to run into defenders. Screeners always get whistled if they are still going at the defender when the defender hit them. They don't do too awesome of a job of reffing the lateral movement. They also give a bunch of leeway to "rolling" into defenders after you screen in effect washing them down into the post. Spite posted:Yes, NBA refs really are atrocious. Blocking isn't supposed to be called when the defender is moving and the timing of the offensive player getting the ball doesn't change the restricted area at all! You can be moving and still have position, and the restricted area applies if the offensive player starts outside the lower box. http://www.nba.com/features/misunde...les_051128.html Here's a handy website that should help a lot. Notice the requirement for charging is "legal defensive position" and nothing about not moving.
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MorningView posted:They have not actually called moving screens for the last like five years, so I can see why he's confused. They call them very rarely. Additionally, there are teams like Botson whos offence seems to consist entirely of moving screens.
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spamman posted:They call them very rarely. Additionally, there are teams like Botson whos offence seems to consist entirely of moving screens. It also played a role in revitalizing Nash's career. It's not like an official thing, but you can tell they've eased way up on calling them to try to open up the game a little more, which I'm actually fine with.
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MorningView posted:It also played a role in revitalizing Nash's career. It's not like an official thing, but you can tell they've eased way up on calling them to try to open up the game a little more, which I'm actually fine with. To that end I agree with you, but it does make the 1-2 per game they do call infuriating. I'd just like to know if there was a line that those ones crossed.
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