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Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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DrGonzo90 posted:

Also, how hosed are the Pistons going forward?

Uh...well...

They're locked at SF for a while!

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Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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SteelAngel2000 posted:

1.) What kind of offense/defense do the Spurs run?
2.) Do they have a good coach?
3.) How is Leonard seen as an NBA prospect?

1) Currently a run-and-gun aggressive shooting team, but they were formally known for feeding the ball to the post to Tim Duncan, one of the best players in the NBA. They switched mostly because Duncan is near in his 40's.

2) One of the best coaches in the Leagues.

3) A very good rebounder, may be slightly increased in value since he was taken by the Spurs (who can do no wrong!!!)

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Paul said he wasn't re-signing with the Hornets.

Dwight basically hinted at not signing with the Magic, though his case is more of everyone else wants him.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Mornacale posted:

What the heck is a Bird year?

If a player has stayed on the same team for 3 years, the team can go over the cap to re-sign them.

I.E. If Chris Paul wants to re-sign with the Clippers, they can go over a 60 million cap because they have his bird rights (which come with players if you traded for them)

If they didn't have CP3's bird rights, they would have to clear cap space to offer him the money.

edit: Mother fucker

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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I hate that 90 mill was the "hard cap" in NBA 2k. I'm willing to pay luxury taxes for my Rose/Gordon/Lebron/Griffin/Dwight superteam, damnit!

There's really no major rivalries right now if only because either team of said rivalry is really bad or just not that good.


Sports media is trying to make Heat/Bulls a thing, I guess.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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I am so glad the NFL put their games on Saturday this week so I can fully pay attention to sweet basketball.


And Mark Jackson coaching his first game Iso Iso Iso

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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thegloaming posted:

Also I don't know what N/V and GDT mean.

News/Views

Game Day Thread

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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EllisD posted:

Do we even have a Pacers fan? I don't think I've ever seen one.

Yeah, there's a lot of Pacers fans. Although I think most of them went away from Sports in general since the Colts are near historically terrible.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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a shameful boehner posted:

Actually, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rankc8FgUVk


I was so angry when he threw it up. What a waste.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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cisneros posted:

Probably no player besides Kevin Love cares about meaningless streaks like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzRvZcFn48

edit:

and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Ur8rtAinI


Basically, the Wizards are idiots.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Gordon's arguably a top 5 SG already in the league.

Aminu is raw. Also, apparently he's related to royalty.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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kwohlge posted:

I don't think it's arguable. Kobe, Wade, Ginobili.. Kevin Martin?! Eric Gordon is probably 4th or 5th.

Kobe, Wade, Ginobli

Depends on what you think Rudy Gay and Iguodala are. Also, Ray Allen could be even.


There is argument to be made, but he's personally top 5 to me.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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cisneros posted:

They lost Richard Jefferson.

No, he's still on the team.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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cisneros posted:

Wasn't he amnestied?

Nope, they didn't use theirs.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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barkingclam posted:

Isn't Yi Jianlian still playing?

In China.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Windmill Hut posted:

Is there a website where i can get all the box-scores for a single days/live games on one page? It's kinda pain having to click on each game individually on the NBA website when there's like 8 games going at once.

The ESPN scorecenter is OK, but i thought there might be something better out there that i cant find

http://www.nba.com/gameline/20111228/

Like this?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Facing the Clippers improves the opposing team's offense. Thanks, Vinny.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Mornacale posted:

How do you defend the free throw line?

(This is a serious question, to be clear.)

Well first off, not goal tending the free throw would help.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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No, he's the Bulls mascot. It's ironic cheering, the garbage man. The Victory Cigar.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Scalabrine is proof that the NBA bench scrubs could dominate the euro-leagues.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Spacebump posted:

What is Ty Lawson?

I don't get it.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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College is a bunch of talent out-working talent and lots of 3-pointers to offset said-talent.

Euroleague is basically big men that can hit jumpers and everyone stands around hitting jumpers and jumpers and I guess more jumpers.

The biggest adjustment to the NBA is that everyone is basically a world-class athlete. Speed adjustment to both your teammates and your opponent is probably the biggest hurdle. Next is the length of the game and how frequent it is for endurance.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Has Brown been rotating World Peace to Power Forward when one of the bigs is out?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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crazylakerfan posted:

Nope, small forward only. We gotta keep him camping out at the three point line

That...what? He's much better at posting up, what the gently caress? Troy Murphy really needs the minutes?


Zogo, World Peace is 6.7 mill this year and over 7 mill player option next year.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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crazylakerfan posted:

when an athletic backup PF would probably help a shitload more than a lumbering 3 point shooting center.

Isn't that what Josh McRoberts was supposed to be?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Blinkman987 posted:

Let's not forget that his lifetime shoe deal gives him 5 million a year. I wonder how much of that is garnished. You have to be pretty hosed financially where 5 mil a year for doing nothing doesn't get you where you need to be.

A study recently showed that over 60% of sports players are broke or in debt by their mid-40's.

Sports people are not good at money management.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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crazylakerfan posted:

He's no Rondo, but he actually can kind of keep up with people

Rondo isn't a lockdown defender. He's more of a gambler.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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I think free throws are a mental thing. Look at Blake Griffin who's been, before the last couple of weeks, a terrible free throw shooter.

He started a routine before every free throw by dribbling the ball 3 times, kinda like what Rip Hamilton does.

Since he started it:
Magic: 6-7
Cavs: 9-10
Phil: 0-2
Cha: 7-8
Mavs: 2-9
Was: 3-5
Por: 3-4

So sometimes it's not just a mechanic thing. Sometimes adding in routines can drastically improve a person by calming a person down and I wonder how many terrible free throw shooters of the past would've upped their percentage that way.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Boozer is 100% dumb on defense. The guy sees Rondo charging half a court way to the lane, lets him in instead of say...fouling him. Doesn't even need to stand in front to take a charge, just physically touch him at some point during the lay-up.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Mornacale posted:

Hey, whoever was asking about small sample size? Here's a real-world example.

Literally everything this season is sample size.

edit: So, should he stop using the routine then as soon as he has another bad free throw night?

Tae fucked around with this message at Feb 18, 2012 around 10:58

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Lockback posted:

Boozer's defensive problems are overblown. He plays heavy minutes in a key position for one of the best defensive teams in the league. He plays decently within the system.

He averages 30 minutes.

And he only looks like he plays decently because he's next to Noah and Deng. I can't believe anyone still says he's a good defender when you actually watch him handle players on either one-on-one or defensive rotations. Or common sense like fouling someone to prevent an easy layup.

jyrka posted:

That's still only 66% anyway.

That's still a 17% increase. You wouldn't like Dwight or Shaq to have a 67% free throw rate?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Sample size, my rear end. He's been here over a year now and has not changed. Are you telling me he's improved on defensive rotations? Taking charges? Fouling smartly?

No, he has not. He is bad and being in a great defensive system does not in fact make him himself a good defender.

DEFENDER. Not Rebounder. DEFENDER.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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I think Boozer is good at offense. That's obvious. Does he have complete brain farts that make me shake my fist? Oh loving yeah.

That doesn't mean being good at one floor means he's good on the other. Would people defend Amare that he's a good defender just because he rebounds in a top 10 defense (which the Knicks are?) Or you just call him a bad defender and accept it?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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jyrka posted:

Yeah I suppose it's good for him if he can keep it up. Though 66% is still pretty weak and probably still in need of some technique improvement.

In other free throw improvement news Dwyane Wade has been using some shooting machine that yells the angle of your shot at you after each attempt and he's been killing it from the line.

NOAH Machine: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/mi...magic-number-45

It's interesting and really should be installed for every team.

edit: Except for, ironically, Joakim Noah and his "free throw motion."

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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Lockback posted:

Defensive rebounding is part of defense. If you don't think it is then I don't know how to help you. What stat do you have to back yourself up? Or is it just a bunch of anecdotes?

Then Amare is a good defender too and I will unironically say this with this logic. Rebounding the ball good clearly means he is good at containing or helping on D.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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MorningView posted:

Boozer is bad at some defensive things, but it's weird that you do not acknowledge that being a great defensive rebound (which by definition ends the offense's possession) can contribute to a team's defense.

Because every most defensive Bulls rebound is basically a rebound-by-committee. I would totally acknowledge Boozer being a lynch pin rebounder if he was a man-on-an-island like Dwight or Love, but the scheme is usually Noah or Deng defending and whoever's in the area to clean up the mess. There's at least a few rebounds credited/stolen by Boozer every game when both he and Noah jump up at the same time.


So he's a good rebounder. Not denying that. But saying his rebounding is a good reason to overcome everything else bad he does on the defensive end to declare him "good" is not enough.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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MorningView posted:

Yeah but it's easy when you have a defensive presence like Memo Okur next to you.

This got me thinking that Utah and the Nets have some sort of weird farm exchange system, where the Jazz dump off their veteran players in exchange for the young guys the Nets cultivate.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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HeroOfTheRevolution posted:

Derrick Favors and Devin Harris are both bad though

Favors has been decent as a back-up, and put up some good stats in the few times he started.


Harris is just a Veteran Guy, he doesn't count (wasn't drafted by the Nets)

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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HeroOfTheRevolution posted:

Favors is the only guy who's really a 'young player the Nets cultivated' though, in that case. And it's pretty unlikely he's ever going to be anything particularly remarkable.

Didn't the Nets give up their lottery pick? Sucking really bad to make that pick good is pretty cultivating

edit: Wait, 2 picks.

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Tae
Oct 24, 2010

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I think 2011 is going to be a strange draft to judge because most of the picks aren't starting. Only Kyrie Irving is starting in the top 5, while the other 4 picks are either standing behind vastly superior players or are in Europe.

Kemba's not starting anymore now that DJ Augustin is back. I would say outproducing most players in this draft isn't as widening as you'd say it is when Brooks is one of the only starting rookies.

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