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Dross
Sep 26, 2006

Every night he puts his hot dogs in the trees so the pigeons can't get them.


Zugzwang posted:

560 grams of carbs per day

Holy poo poo I want to do this. Maybe I should start running.

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Lazer Vampire Jr.
Mar 31, 2005

Ask me about whatever fat loss diet is popular this month!

If that was my limit I would just eat a box of my favorite flavor of Cheez-its every day as a "supplement". 2000cals per 1lb box,238g Carbs, 111g Fat,43g protein.


Goddamnit I want some Cheez-its now.

Dross
Sep 26, 2006

Every night he puts his hot dogs in the trees so the pigeons can't get them.


*eats 4 pounds of spaghetti* SHUT UP MOM I RUN

...I miss spaghetti.

Also the best Cheez-It box is their party mix. Those little rice balls mm.

SeaGoatSupreme
Dec 26, 2009
Ask me about fixed-gear bikes (aka "fixies")

Cheddar-jack is loving delicious, I've accidentally eaten >1/2 a big box in a sitting before.

Will you be baking this bread yourself, and slathering it in good butter? Please do, I want to know that it is as amazing as it sounds to eat like that. It may even inspire me to start distance running. or at least go for some of the longer trails around here instead of a 5k loop.

SeaGoatSupreme
Dec 26, 2009
Ask me about fixed-gear bikes (aka "fixies")

ahahahahaha lovin' the new thread title.

Major Raccoon Eyes
Jun 14, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Zugzwang posted:

So I set up my new dieting schedule based on the fact that I should probably be eating a carb, and it came out to about 560 grams of carbs per day...

This is why I could never be a runner. I can barely get to 200+ carbs a day.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Cheez-Its own. So do Pepperidge Farm Goldfish. It's amazingly difficult to not go over my planned macros for fat and protein with this goofy new setup though. Just eating grains gives a surprising amount of brotein. I'll probably be relaxing my carb targets to "60-70%" instead of "65-70%" or else I'll go nuts. This first attempt at a crazy runner's diet is vegetarian by default, since I just don't have room for protein from meat. On the plus side, I don't have much room for protein powder either, so in light of how expensive that stuff (well, the stuff that actually contains protein anyway) is getting, I can't complain much.

I do plan to bake my own bread, though I don't have a breadmaker (yet). Girlfran also suggested I figure out some good muffin recipes. If I can find some that are tasty and low-fat (I'm sure I can), I'll make those. Mmm.

Major Raccoon Eyes
Jun 14, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Zugzwang posted:

Cheez-Its own. So do Pepperidge Farm Goldfish. It's amazingly difficult to not go over my planned macros for fat and protein with this goofy new setup though. Just eating grains gives a surprising amount of brotein. I'll probably be relaxing my carb targets to "60-70%" instead of "65-70%" or else I'll go nuts. This first attempt at a crazy runner's diet is vegetarian by default, since I just don't have room for protein from meat. On the plus side, I don't have much room for protein powder either, so in light of how expensive that stuff (well, the stuff that actually contains protein anyway) is getting, I can't complain much.

I do plan to bake my own bread, though I don't have a breadmaker (yet). Girlfran also suggested I figure out some good muffin recipes. If I can find some that are tasty and low-fat (I'm sure I can), I'll make those. Mmm.

Sharks Below posted a nummy muffin recipe on her blog. I don't know if they're low-fat.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Major Raccoon Eyes posted:

Sharks Below posted a nummy muffin recipe on her blog. I don't know if they're low-fat.
Looks like they definitely are. Thanks. Banana bread rules

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

Don't stop me now


C-c-c-carbs?? I gotta start running.

Lazer Vampire Jr.
Mar 31, 2005

Ask me about whatever fat loss diet is popular this month!

I am pretty sure if I could go back in time just once I would take this log and post it in the Low Carb thread to watch people do the Scanners head thing.

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

NACKHAMSLEF SING SONG
SING SONG NACKHAMSLEF




Low fat is the best diet. Carbs own

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003



Carbs will kill you man. Sugar is a poison

Epic High Five
Sep 12, 2010



Why eat carbs when you could eat steak instead

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Grams of carbs consumed so far today: well over 200

Grams of bacon consumed so far today: 0

Level of leanness: respectable

Funkutron5000
Jan 20, 2010


Zugzwang posted:

Grams of carbs consumed so far today: well over 200

Grams of bacon consumed so far today: 0

Level of leanness: respectable



The goonivore's dilemma.

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

NACKHAMSLEF SING SONG
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Grams of Fucks given: 0

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Dinner: over half a pound (dry) of rice, cooked and then fried up with an egg and some spices



Also a bagel and some butter.



0 fucks given.

Tenchrono
Jun 2, 2011



rip zug 6/21/2012

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Tenchrono posted:

rip zug 6/21/2012
Dead men give no fucks.

Umbriago
Aug 27, 2004



Zugzwang posted:

Dead men give no fucks.

But boy can they take 'em.





Heyoooooo

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Went out for a run this morning. My heart rate monitor wasn't working, but I figured I'd just run by feel for a while and hopefully it would kick in after I got sweaty and my chest started being more conductive. That didn't happen. About 2.5 miles in, I started to feel a lot of cold moisture dripping down my calves and hitting my ankles. Lots of it. I "pulled over" and examined my Camelbak - the bladder had sprung a small leak.

I can only be thankful that these things didn't happen during a serious run (in the case of the HR monitor, where the HR monitoring would have been necessary) and in my fridge (in the case of the Camelbak bladder). I only ended up doing 6 miles, but I'm going to get a new Camelbak bladder/figure out the HR strap issues and go for a 20-miler or so tomorrow.

Oh yeah, and I gained like 4 pounds on my first day of the high-carb diet, then lost over 5 between yesterday and today.

With all that in mind, I'm going to sum up my week thus:

KBD
Mar 24, 2010

get a butt


It's good when these small things go wrong, it helps prevent actual disasters down the road.

You totally know what you're doing Zug. You're one of my biggest inspirations around here. I think of your attitude and accomplishments when I don't feel like doing What I Need To Do. You wouldn't believe how flattered I feel when you talk about picking up Spanish or doing something because of me in turn.

Keep owning and eating the carb!

Mad Wack
Mar 27, 2008

Don't stop me now


Considering the problems most runners have, you should feel lucky it was your camelbak's bladder that sprung a leak

Oodles of Wootles
Nov 8, 2008

safe

Did you ever finish Eat and Run? Worth reading? I'm reading Born to Run now and loving it.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


KBD posted:

It's good when these small things go wrong, it helps prevent actual disasters down the road.

You totally know what you're doing Zug. You're one of my biggest inspirations around here. I think of your attitude and accomplishments when I don't feel like doing What I Need To Do. You wouldn't believe how flattered I feel when you talk about picking up Spanish or doing something because of me in turn.

Keep owning and eating the carb!
Thanks bud.

Mad Wack posted:

Considering the problems most runners have, you should feel lucky it was your camelbak's bladder that sprung a leak
Bwahaha very true. I'm lucky in that I've never had any of those sorts of distress issues while running ever.

Oodles of Wootles posted:

Did you ever finish Eat and Run? Worth reading? I'm reading Born to Run now and loving it.
I'm about halfway through. Definitely worth a read. And yeah, Born to Run is great. I've lost track how many times I listened to it on audiobook/read it on my Kindle. McDougall definitely romanticizes the Tarahumara's situation (e.g., the reason they don't wear shoes is because they can't afford them, not because they're rejecting them on principle), but I was surprised to learn after reading it that most of what he says about shoes and running form and whatnot is actually true.

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

NACKHAMSLEF SING SONG
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Are those guys the ones who run 60+ mile marathons? I watched some running documentary a long time ago and for some reason their name rings a bell.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


That's them. They're a Native American tribe living in the Copper Canyons of Mexico. Ultradistance running is their transportation, their entertainment, their sport, from when they're little'uns. Their best runners could be elite ultrarunners if they wanted to be, but they largely don't give a drat about racing outside of home, away from their own people.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


So in the past few days, I've gained 4 pounds, lost 5, then gained 7. Yesterday was the 2-year anniversary for the girlfran (Apricity) and I, and we went out for hibachi and sushi and cake. Read: FATLORD FEAST. S'ok. It was soooo good.

This morning, I had another batch of equipment failures. I bought a hydration belt - well, it's a belt that holds one 28-oz water bottle that's exchangeable with the water bottle in my handheld - and it just wasn't working for me. Bouncy bouncy bounce bounce, chafe chafe chafe. I ended up dumping it in the Apricity's car after a few miles and just trucking along with my one handheld. Then a little while later, I noticed my keys were poking through a hole that had formed in the back of my shorts. At least I noticed before they actually fell out in some random location, since I just moved them to the pouch in my handheld.

I have to say, all this is especially frustrating for me because I really, truly hate being encumbered with a whole bunch of poo poo. It's why I don't really like Camelbaks, and it's why I hate winter - I have to put on lots of bulky clothes just to be able to step outside. I like running with the bare minimum number of things on me - shorts, shoes/socks, visor, sunglasses, .mp3 player, GPS watch, and water bottle. Okay, so the GPS and .mp3 aren't necessary, but I like them and they're small, so. Having all sorts of crap strapped to me takes away from the primal, meditative experience of just moving my body through space. My love for that sort of experience is why I love this passage from Chapter 22 of Born to Run so much:

quote:

That fall, a photo appeared in UltraRunning magazine. It shows Jenn finishing a 30-mile race somewhere in the backwoods of Virginia. There’s nothing amazing about her performance (third place), or her getup (basic black shorts, basic black sports bra), or even the camera work (dimly lit, crudely cropped). Jenn isn’t battling a rival to the bitter end, or striding across a mountaintop with the steel-jawed majesty of a Nike model, or gasping toward glory with a grimace of heartbreaking determination. All she’s doing is … running. Running, and smiling.

But that smile is strangely stirring. You can tell she’s having an absolute blast, as if there’s nothing on earth she’d rather be doing and nowhere on earth she’d rather be doing it than here, on this lost trail in the middle of the Appalachian wilderness. Even though she’s just run four miles farther than a marathon, she looks light-footed and carefree, her eyes twinkling, her ponytail swinging around her head like a shirt in the fist of a triumphant Brazilian soccer player. Her naked delight is unmistakable; it forces a smile to her lips that’s so honest and unguarded, you feel she’s lost in the grip of artistic inspiration.

Maybe she is. Whenever an art form loses its fire, when it gets weakened by intellectual inbreeding and first principles fade into stale tradition, a radical fringe eventually appears to blow it up and rebuild from the rubble. Young Gun ultrarunners were like Lost Generation writers in the ’20s, Beat poets in the ’50s, and rock musicians in the ’60s: they were poor and ignored and free from all expectations and inhibitions. They were body artists, playing with the palette of human endurance.
During the run itself, equipment failures aside, things were rather nice. I ran with the girlfran for a little while and then took off on my own. I ended up doing 11 miles overall, but I cut it short deliberately. I'm going to return the hydration belt, buy another handheld, and then try running again this evening with two handheld water bottles. Elite ultrarunners often have two handhelds, and hey, if those barely-bigger-than-marathoner folks have enough upper-body strength to do a hundred miles with two handhelds, I sure as hell can manage 20-milers with them. Two bottles will be plenty enough to get me through my summer runs, since I can plan my routes around an outdoor water fountain in the area and refill if/when necessary. This way, I won't have to deal with chafing from the Camelbak, either.

tl;dr: Zugzwang just wants to get out and run a lot without having to deal with bullshit to do so.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003



You could always try sliding the belt around 90° and wearing the bottle on your hip, though I don't know if that'd unbalance you at all. When I wear a belt with food and whatever in it I do that to prevent annoyance, but it might not work as well with one that has a bottle in.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Noxville posted:

You could always try sliding the belt around 90° and wearing the bottle on your hip, though I don't know if that'd unbalance you at all. When I wear a belt with food and whatever in it I do that to prevent annoyance, but it might not work as well with one that has a bottle in.
I was wearing it on my hips. I tried the right side first, then the left side. No dice. I also had to move my arm through a weird plane of motion to avoid bashing into the bottle.

Epic High Five
Sep 12, 2010



Store it in the groin of your compression shorts, wrapped in a sock to soften the outline. Slight harm to stride, huge boost to strut

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Epic High Five posted:

Store it in the groin of your compression shorts
No room

Epic High Five
Sep 12, 2010




Well played

nickhimself
Jul 16, 2007

NACKHAMSLEF SING SONG
SING SONG NACKHAMSLEF




I had a really thin Under Armour wrist band that I made a slice in and would slide my house key in when I'd go out for runs. Didn't weigh much at all and was reliable to keep my key from falling out

KBD
Mar 24, 2010

get a butt



BOOM

I was gonna get the Nathan that holds two small bottles tomorrow, but I hate running with extra stuff too so dunno if it's worth it now that I know it bugged you. Unless it's a size issue maybe? Which model/brand is it you have?

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


nickhimself posted:

I had a really thin Under Armour wrist band that I made a slice in and would slide my house key in when I'd go out for runs. Didn't weigh much at all and was reliable to keep my key from falling out
My water bottle has a compartment where I can put my key. I just need to remove the dorky black knight chess piece on the key chain to make it less bulky...

KBD posted:

BOOM

I was gonna get the Nathan that holds two small bottles tomorrow, but I hate running with extra stuff too so dunno if it's worth it now that I know it bugged you. Unless it's a size issue maybe? Which model/brand is it you have?
It was this one: http://nathansports.com/our-product...t-paks/triangle

I get the impression from the running thread that hydration belts are near-universally hated. The criticisms seem spot-on: they can't carry much water anyway, and they end up bouncing around or hiking up and being annoying.

A handheld like this one carries more water and is a lot more comfortable to use. The fact that it's strapped to your hand means you don't really need to exert effort to keep it there, which can be a problem on longer runs with regular bottles.

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

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Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.


Just did my second run for the day...

5 miles in 48:00, 9:33 pace, 152 bpm average HR

16 miles total today. The heart rate monitor strap for my Garmin 310XT still isn't working, but the strap from my old Garmin 305 is compatible with the new watch, so I'm using that. I kept this run nice and slow and easy, and I felt strong the whole time. I did a trial with the two handheld water bottles strategy (obviously didn't need that much water on this run), and I felt fine carrying them. Great success.

I bought some Gatorade mix today for my longer runs - it's easy carbs and contains sodium. One of the mixes advertised itself as "LOW CALORIE." The one I bought wasn't. Near as I can tell, the only difference is serving size and mgs sodium/grams powder. The grams carbs/grams powder ratio is exactly the same. Reminds me of some not-very-big muffins they sell in the convenience store on campus. They're 210 calories...per serving. 3 servings per muffin. Who the gently caress eats 1/3 of a muffin?

So uh, I'm trying an experiment that is probably ill-advised, but whatever. I'm going to run every single day this week, including today. Factoring in the fact that I ran yesterday, that will put me at 8 straight days of running. My goals are to make up for last week's lost mileage due to all the crap that happened, and hit 200 miles for the month. In order to reach the latter goal, I'll have to run 77 miles this week (counting today, so Sunday - Saturday). I pulled off a 62.2-mile week about two months ago when my all-time high (at the time) was 40 miles in a week, so this might actually be doable, especially considering how little I ran last week. I'll probably do a few doubles instead of all long runs, since it's easier on the body that way. Also, I'll obviously abort if there are serious issues, since I'm not trying to explode a hamstring here.

77 miles in a week, 200 miles in a month...it's time.

Oh yeah, and evidently I'll need to eat 650 grams of carbs a day this week, ahahahaaha somebody kill me.

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