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The notes are from SBT and weren't intended for public viewing. It matches the style of several previous leaked patch notes, especially the sloppy formatting and writing (which is characteristic for their internal notes). This is actually why S2 doesn't release beta information publicly, people overreact to the listed changes and on top of that a lot of stuff gets changed repeatedly and many items/changes never end up implemented. I don't see why the staff upgrades being "too good" makes it bullshit - they test out crazy stuff in SBT all the time just to see if they'll work. There are a couple of total dogshit upgrades too; Wildsoul gets his leash range upgraded?? Besides, they're confirmed legitimate. Not only has S2 outright said that they're planning to implement some changes, changes that match what's been shown in the patch notes, I'm also told that the leak is because one of the beta testers got dumped by his girlfriend and got mad about it so he decided to leak the notes. He didn't even bother to be anonymous so they caught him pretty easily.
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 21:02 |
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Is there a link to the leaked notes?
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 21:12 |
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feedtheid posted:Is there a link to the leaked notes? http://www.dotallyrad.com/2012/01/u...tch-notes-leak/
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 21:13 |
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I love when an enemy armadon gets 500+ GPM. Keep living the dream guys! *everyone but me dives aramadon, wipes*
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 21:17 |
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Welp that shadowblade seems pretty good. He seems to dish out decent damage while being able to be tanky/dmg and poo poo at any time. What are you guys building on him and how are you guys playing him? A few times I went up against him and he was doing pretty awesome
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 22:31 |
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washow posted:Welp that shadowblade seems pretty good. He seems to dish out decent damage while being able to be tanky/dmg and poo poo at any time. I like to go full Wizard mode. Locket, Power supply, steam boots, hellflower, high INT items to taste 
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 23:00 |
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Haha so there's some bug out which drops a game and doesn't record the ID or stats for that game. Some people have been doing this to Moonmeander all day making him froth at the mouth. (I don't support using the bug btw)
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 23:15 |
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Dre2Dee2 posted:I like to go full Wizard mode. Locket, Power supply, steam boots, hellflower, high INT items to taste And it's working good? Like get harkon's and go int mode? I'm gonna try this on my 1350 cm right now
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 23:24 |
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Had a stat whore Ra who was afraid to team fight break down after being called out and then starts calling everyone bad, selling items, and hides behind fountain before ragequitting. One hour later report successful e-mail with a month long suspension for him. The system works!
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 23:26 |
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Self Knockout posted:Had a stat whore Ra who was afraid to team fight break down after being called out and then starts calling everyone bad, selling items, and hides behind fountain before ragequitting. Haha they tell you the punishment the offenders received? Nice
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 23:31 |
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Korgoth posted:Haha so there's some bug out which drops a game and doesn't record the ID or stats for that game. Some people have been doing this to Moonmeander all day making him froth at the mouth. (I don't support using the bug btw) Wait.. what do you mean they do this to Moon? How is that possible EDIT: holy poo poo, Hellbringer is the 2nd least played hero 
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| # ? Jan 22, 2012 23:51 |
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Dre2Dee2 posted:Wait.. what do you mean they do this to Moon? How is that possible Yes, the bug involves mentoring people in game, so they can crash his game by mentoring others in the game.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 00:16 |
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God loving dammit... I've lost the past 8-10 games due to disconnects and people raging quitting. It's so loving ridiculous.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 00:29 |
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Broken Dictionary posted:God loving dammit... I've lost the past 8-10 games due to disconnects and people raging quitting. It's so loving ridiculous. What is your account name? Maybe I can work something out about this.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 00:31 |
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Dre2Dee2 posted:EDIT: holy poo poo, Hellbringer is the 2nd least played hero
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 00:36 |
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Dre2Dee2 posted:EDIT: holy poo poo, Hellbringer is the 2nd least played hero How is this even possible? Also, least used is Ophelia, and most used is Ra (With 54% wins )
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 00:37 |
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Dukka posted:You really can't follow the usage charts anymore though due to the hero cycles. That's only really applicable to the top 12 or so, which fluctuate weekly based on what heroes are free. Anything after the top 20 is going to be pretty consistent, and if Hellbringer is the second least played hero when he isn't free then he really isn't being picked. If you go ingame and click on the usage charts then you can see the usage history for individual heroes.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 00:39 |
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So anyway, is the hotbl rework going to significantly nerf the item? Only blocking damage a few times doesn't make it sound so good...
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 00:52 |
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From the leaked notes, if that's what ends up final, I think it'll be overnerfed
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 00:59 |
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I don't think HotBL needs to be changed so much as there needs to be some viable early game alternative. As it stands it's the most built item in the game because it's the goto solution for survivability for like half the cast.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 01:11 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btd2HQf_jnE That's HoN in a nutshell. VVVV Two guys getting mad at videogames and arguing for 20 minutes, to the point that one of them threatened to kill the other. Elman fucked around with this message at Jan 23, 2012 around 02:05 |
| # ? Jan 23, 2012 01:30 |
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That is kind of long for in a nutshell. Can you narrow it down for those of us who don't enjoy watching people play for 20 minutes?
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 01:55 |
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Two people arguing over hon. That's pretty much it.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 01:56 |
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I know this isn't really the place to do this, but apparently customer support for s2 has failed my friend, so i figured you might be able to help if you read this Maide. His subaccount "FeatherWait" is in some sort of limbo where he has no stats, can't buddy people and cant join games. Wonder if theres anything you could do about that.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 02:30 |
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Ezzer posted:I don't think HotBL needs to be changed so much as there needs to be some viable early game alternative. As it stands it's the most built item in the game because it's the goto solution for survivability for like half the cast. You forgot the part where HotBL is probably the most efficient and effective mitigation item in the game. It gives comparable survivability as Heart does at more than half the cost. It's severely overpowered, not only just overused. It doesn't help either that we've been getting a bunch of heroes with "free damage" that only need to build survivability to be very dangerous in teamfights early on.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 02:48 |
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Freshpro kicked out of MSI: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/s...ad.php?t=385088 http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/s...70&postcount=30
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 04:24 |
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Sheesh, any idea as to why exactly?
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 04:26 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQVgqTHm5vE such beautiful teamwork.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 21:58 |
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Revelant posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQVgqTHm5vE This is easily in my top 10 HoN videos ever mad.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 22:08 |
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So I played 7 games in a row while sick, and played really solidly and dominated where I could and did overall pretty well, but we lost every one of them. I was only queued with one buddy and I modified a meme to express what basically happened every single game: This was my entire day.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 22:29 |
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Man I am sure glad there wasn't a Behe in this game.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2012 23:10 |
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Dukka posted:Man I am sure glad there wasn't a Behe in this game. That was hilarious. Personal highlight had to be Rev - "that tactic's bannable", "dont you care about your kd?!" e:77316096 RedHotKick fucked around with this message at Jan 23, 2012 around 23:52 |
| # ? Jan 23, 2012 23:37 |
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RedHotKick posted:That was hilarious. Personal highlight had to be Rev - "that tactic's bannable", "dont you care about your kd?!" What's the match ID? ^^^ Thanks Elman fucked around with this message at Jan 24, 2012 around 00:35 |
| # ? Jan 23, 2012 23:39 |
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Hahaha, S2 has an F rating with the Better Business Bureau. So a few weeks ago a friend started complaining his client would randomly freeze for literally 10 seconds in the middle of combat or just other sporadic or random times in the game. He looked around for a solution and didn't find anything. Then this week I was playing and it started happening to me; he immediately points out I'm probably having the same issue as him. Then I saw this. Cool, more lovely problems with the hemorrhaging HoN client that's barely being held together by whoever they picked up when their old coder quit/left/was fired. I say that because it's the only way I can believe an entire game client gets coded and then goes, issues unfixed, for literally months at a time every time a new problem is introduced. At this point I'm honestly just hoping they have some huge debacle on the scale of like, the old EVE client deleting boot.ini for their entire playerbase to happen, so they can stop and take a serious look at their game client and either fix all their poo poo or shut down shop and walk out with a bunch of goblin coin money. Nothing short of a huge issue like that will force them to seriously look at their game's issues anymore. See: Broken for months on end Mac client, 32-bit windows issues, "Just install Linux," etc. It drives me insane because I still really want to enjoy this game but every week it seems more and more like S2 is just interested in a loot and scoot approach for whenever they hit critical mass and lose too many players to DotA 2. Minrad fucked around with this message at Jan 24, 2012 around 00:40 |
| # ? Jan 24, 2012 00:37 |
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It's true, I had no issues before this patch but now I get random freezing. That combined with the spectator glitch I'm really shocked a hotpatch hasn't come out to fix the two problems. Not really surprising S2 has F rating with the BBB, too bad the game is too drat fun and I'll still keep playing, just wish it was managed by a better company.
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| # ? Jan 24, 2012 00:45 |
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Well if you look at the complaints S2 has from the BBB, like 98% of them are just bitching about EA existing haha Somehow I've been super lucky and have had no freezes or crashes at all
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| # ? Jan 24, 2012 00:46 |
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Those issues are core engine issues that inexperienced programmers can't fix because they don't know how to fix. Whoever made the K2 engine that HoN runs on is clearly no longer working on the project, as this seems like a case of not knowing how to fix something instead of refusing to fix something. Modifying game assets to add new heroes, items, sounds, textures, etc is a very basic level of coding and scripting that anyone who made Quake 3 mods can do. Working with a graphics library, memory management, or core engine features takes someone with a deal of experience. When you have a bug that causes Legionaire charge to one shot people, it's a simple issue. When your game is coded in such a way that it will not longer support 32 bit memory addressing, adding that support back requires the skills of the aforementioned "experienced coder." In short, the guy who originally programmed the core of HoN is most likely not working on the project anymore, and the other people have no idea how to fix the bug because their experience with game programming is limited to modifying the code instead of writing new stuff. Pure speculation though.
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| # ? Jan 24, 2012 01:02 |
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Dre2Dee2 posted:Well if you look at the complaints S2 has from the BBB, like 98% of them are just bitching about EA existing haha I think I posted it somewhere in the thread, but the graphics issue I was talking about where textures don't load for one or more heroes (but they aren't checkerboard, it's as if the hero is rendered the way Shadowblade is, but slightly tinted towards their player color of orange, teal, pink, whatever) have happened to me since 2.5 (at random, with no real impact to gameplay) and now a bunch of other people I've played with (pubs even) mention it more and more lately. Everyone thinks it looks cool when it happens, but it's a stupidass bug. Also it affects the particle effects and skills of the affected hero, too; when it hits nomad, his Q skill becomes a mess of checkerboards, heh.
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| # ? Jan 24, 2012 01:03 |
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Korgoth posted:It's true, I had no issues before this patch but now I get random freezing. That combined with the spectator glitch I'm really shocked a hotpatch hasn't come out to fix the two problems. Not really surprising S2 has F rating with the BBB, too bad the game is too drat fun and I'll still keep playing, just wish it was managed by a better company. BBB ratings typically mean fuckall - I mean if you read it, it's entirely 'Whaa EA' and 'Whaa IGN promotion'
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| # ? Jan 24, 2012 01:06 |
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| # ? May 19, 2013 21:20 |
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I really, really thought a lot of recently lag spikes I've been getting were just because my computer is absolute poo poo and balls. It's somewhat surprising to hear it's a larger issue with HoN itself.
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