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Dexanth
Dec 4, 2003

The last thing an ice cream cone ever sees


sicarius posted:

Just saw on Facebook that "top pro" milkfar is going for a Guinness World Record of playing HoN for 76 straight hours. I turn on the stream... and, of course, he has every skin and hero.

This guy... I'm jealous of his ability to be a slightly above average player and yet somehow convince both Riot and S2 to just GIVE HIM poo poo for being there and asking. I'm in shock that S2 fell for this after the complete failure that was his League run.

Ehh, in this case it makes sense for HoN to do it - it's completely free publicity and unlike Riot they aren't doing anything 'scummy' about it.

I mean if I were S2 it'd be something like 'Break the record, keep the swag, fail it and we revoke it' to add extra incentive.

But yea he's nothing special as a player.

Chu doing this on the other hand

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sicarius
Dec 12, 2002

In brightest day,
In blackest night,
My smugface makes,
women wet....

That's how it goes, right?

Dre2Dee2 posted:

The professional con-man is alive and well

The other thing I find shocking is the people that rush to white knight for him because he was a DotA 1 "pro" ages ago. He's been a no-one for years... who the hell has he played for and what events has he won?

At least f4tality continued to play competitively (and actually be good) when he leeched poo poo off the "scene". This guy is just annoying beyond comprehension.

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007

I may be wrong but I'm never in doubt.


His ult might be over-nerfed but I think his regular build is still viable, maybe even skipping the ult altogether. He won't have ridiculous farm and level advantage but he can still do well played like a snowball carry such as swiftblade.

CJ
Jul 2, 2007

Here's a less utterly loathsome avatar you piece of shit.

sicarius posted:

Just saw on Facebook that "top pro" milkfar is going for a Guinness World Record of playing HoN for 76 straight hours. I turn on the stream... and, of course, he has every skin and hero.

This guy... I'm jealous of his ability to be a slightly above average player and yet somehow convince both Riot and S2 to just GIVE HIM poo poo for being there and asking. I'm in shock that S2 fell for this after the complete failure that was his League run.

Is he wearing gamer glasses?

sicarius
Dec 12, 2002

In brightest day,
In blackest night,
My smugface makes,
women wet....

That's how it goes, right?

CJ posted:

Is he wearing gamer glasses?

Yes - and they're tossing a sponsored shirt on him at some point. So not only is he doing this, he's probably getting paid.

Also - to Dex - what did Riot lose that S2 isn't? It seems like the same thing, since I'm sure they had to give him his name and, like I said, he has everything unlocked. I'm sure S2 is having to pay something for the stream and venue.

And now they're plugging it in game.

washow
Dec 1, 2007

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Does S2 have like no PR team or something? I like the game and wish it was more popular like LoL. Be more active on youtube or something like Riot does. HoN is the nichest poo poo in an already niche genre

RickoniX
Dec 4, 2005

A human or elf?

NO NOT A BADGER YOU GOON


sicarius posted:

Yes - and they're tossing a sponsored shirt on him at some point. So not only is he doing this, he's probably getting paid.

Also - to Dex - what did Riot lose that S2 isn't? It seems like the same thing, since I'm sure they had to give him his name and, like I said, he has everything unlocked. I'm sure S2 is having to pay something for the stream and venue.

And now they're plugging it in game.

M1lkfat has been playing hon since beta, they didn't need to give him any heroes

CJ
Jul 2, 2007

Here's a less utterly loathsome avatar you piece of shit.

washow posted:

Does S2 have like no PR team or something? I like the game and wish it was more popular like LoL. Be more active on youtube or something like Riot does. HoN is the nichest poo poo in an already niche genre

"Grassroots"

EDIT: Is this Milkfat thing the reason they pushed the patch out early?

CJ fucked around with this message at Jan 26, 2012 around 19:50

Danhenge
Dec 16, 2005

like stonehenge but made of dans


Chernabog posted:

His ult might be over-nerfed but I think his regular build is still viable, maybe even skipping the ult altogether. He won't have ridiculous farm and level advantage but he can still do well played like a snowball carry such as swiftblade.

The ult actually deals a shitload of damage. If you level your nuke and stun and have full mana at six you can stun in -> nuke ->split -> stun -> nuke -> switch wolf -> stun again, -> nuke again and probably attack them once for the kill

CJ
Jul 2, 2007

Here's a less utterly loathsome avatar you piece of shit.

lamentable dustman
Apr 13, 2007

"I'm not laying underneath a grown man with my legs spread on worldwide TV. Some guys subscribe to that theory, but I'm a Republican, and we don't do that."


RickoniX posted:

M1lkfat has been playing hon since beta, they didn't need to give him any heroes

They probably gave him some gold and the gold avatars, not that it matters



^^ Breaky the enforcer. Now breaky giving build advice

sicarius
Dec 12, 2002

In brightest day,
In blackest night,
My smugface makes,
women wet....

That's how it goes, right?

RickoniX posted:

M1lkfat has been playing hon since beta, they didn't need to give him any heroes

The EA heroes?

Okay, I concede that he may not have been given heroes. He does, however, have something like 24k gold coins, which I'm sure he was given. He also seems to have every avatar. Either way this is a lame poo poo stunt with someone who has already poo poo on your rival company and pissed off portions of the "community" in the process.

Dre2Dee2
Dec 6, 2006

Just a striding through Kamen Rider...


CJ posted:



A great flood will come, and it will wash all the scum away

Molybdenum
Jun 24, 2007
Melting Point ~2622C

what is his ingame name? It'll be interesting to see his stats as a running average over this period with like, a 2 hour window or something.

Meat Recital
Mar 26, 2009

the first cut
is the deepest


washow posted:

Does S2 have like no PR team or something? I like the game and wish it was more popular like LoL. Be more active on youtube or something like Riot does. HoN is the nichest poo poo in an already niche genre

Their marketing has been terrible since release. LoL was (and still is) freaking everywhere; banner ads, youtube, boxed copies, everything. HoN didn't even have a trial version for months after release.

Revelant
Jul 27, 2007

Ask me about my male escort services. 30% Discounts for Goons.

Chernabog posted:

His ult might be over-nerfed but I think his regular build is still viable, maybe even skipping the ult altogether. He won't have ridiculous farm and level advantage but he can still do well played like a snowball carry such as swiftblade.

Just tried a regular build and I got murdered, I could never tank them enough to recombine with my ulti. Afterwards I went op stats+ulti build, and I could atleast tank them till I rejoined. Now first game we got stomped, and second game we beat them. So it may skew my perception but I feel gemini just isn't tanky enough without sinking points into stats, especially since I had to try and recombine 4 times in one fight due to VJ bouncing stun while tanking them.

Side effect of the "cannot reform while silenced/stunned" means that I won't start 5v5 Team fights in fire and Ice form, it's too risky. Split form is great for fighting 1v1 but single form you know you will be able to get a full volley of normal and split spells in a teamfight . Its a lot harder to interrupt gemini splitting into two than rejoining. Also the status effects will be quicker to get rid of.

So where do I sit on this?
Something is still not right, your main skills are still being ignored for stats because its still the safer bet. The nerf really did nothing but make him worse , it didn't really balance him at all. I honestly don't know to solve it. Maybe make his skills give some stats as an additional effect, and nerf his stats gain skill, like some sort of skill synergy.

Revelant fucked around with this message at Jan 26, 2012 around 22:02

Lprsti99
Apr 7, 2011

I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde


Ornedan posted:

Automated spelling corrections: worse than useless.

BURN ALL OF THE CHILDREN!

(Swyyyyyype! )

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007

I may be wrong but I'm never in doubt.


Danhenge posted:

The ult actually deals a shitload of damage. If you level your nuke and stun and have full mana at six you can stun in -> nuke ->split -> stun -> nuke -> switch wolf -> stun again, -> nuke again and probably attack them once for the kill

Yeah, I forgot about that.


Revelant posted:

Just tried a regular build and I got murdered, I could never tank them enough to recombine with my ulti.
I would say that if you go with a regular build the split form is just for farming and maybe to finish off someone like Danhenge suggested above. With a regular build you get a SH for survivability and a null blade or savage mace for massive damage and stay in combined form for teammfights.

Dexanth
Dec 4, 2003

The last thing an ice cream cone ever sees


washow posted:

Does S2 have like no PR team or something? I like the game and wish it was more popular like LoL. Be more active on youtube or something like Riot does. HoN is the nichest poo poo in an already niche genre

HoN's always bemused me at why they don't attempt to advertise on gamer niches like Kotaku or Penny Arcade, which would eat their game up.

Or hell, to look into something with Steam.

S.T.C.A.
Feb 22, 2005
Crazy Arab

Dexanth posted:

HoN's always bemused me at why they don't attempt to advertise on gamer niches like Kotaku or Penny Arcade, which would eat their game up.

Or hell, to look into something with Steam.

Seriously, because it seems like this is 100% a conscious decision on Maliken's part to not adequately market his company's primary (and essentially flagship at this point) product. Or the company is as poorly run as people say.

I can't tell because I loved Savage and Savage 2 so S2 gets my money for trying to keep dying genres alive (and then failing at that and switching to DotA set in the Savage universe).

I suppose part of it is that no one really thought LoL would get as big as it did, but Riot sure succeeded at making DOTAlikes accessible to people who would never otherwise play DotA. Way more people out there than anyone who thought; a total anecdote, but in my apartment complex parking lot, there was a used League of Legends RIOT bux card flapping around on the ground as visible litter as I walked to my car a few weeks ago. It blew my loving mind until I remembered oh yeah, LoL has millions of players with unique logins.

My point is that I could understand S2 scoffing at the Riot model of F2P and then finding out (way too late) that S2's system was the one that should have been laughed at. I mean really, anyone looking at DotA and trying to make it more accessible as well as a way to make money should have realized people literally stole Warcraft III solely to play DotA; adding a $30 barrier is not the way to attract not only those players, but players who are scared of DotA.

PUNCHITCHEWIE
Apr 4, 2009
IF I'M TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL, IGNORE ME. I'M A FUCKING IDIOT.


Three pages of clicking through ads? No thanks, tab closed.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

TOUCHDOOOOWWWNNNN


PUNCHITCHEWIE posted:

Three pages of clicking through ads? No thanks, tab closed.

What ads?

PUNCHITCHEWIE
Apr 4, 2009
IF I'M TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL, IGNORE ME. I'M A FUCKING IDIOT.

Dexanth posted:

HoN's always bemused me at why they don't attempt to advertise on gamer niches like Kotaku or Penny Arcade, which would eat their game up.

Or hell, to look into something with Steam.

I remember pointing out early in open beta that lovely LoL videos regularly get into the top viewed Youtube feeds, and it's kind of silly that S2 does none of that marketing. Looks like they went through the motions and hired a mediocre person or two in this department, but it's still pretty laughable. At this point they seem to be in full on "copy riot" mode, which is kind of silly.

sicarius
Dec 12, 2002

In brightest day,
In blackest night,
My smugface makes,
women wet....

That's how it goes, right?

PUNCHITCHEWIE posted:

Three pages of clicking through ads? No thanks, tab closed.

Might want to run a malware scan - page opened clean for me. I don't even see ads on the page itself.

Dukka
Apr 28, 2007

lock teams or bust



Brannock posted:

What ads?
Apparently the ones you get for over-exaggerating everything.

Dre2Dee2
Dec 6, 2006

Just a striding through Kamen Rider...


Oh wow, I just got a key for the DOTA 2 beta.

HAHAHA $2 EAT MY poo poo



... nah, just playing y'all. It'll be nice to see what all the hubub is about though, and see how it compares to HoN first hand. Neat.

sicarius
Dec 12, 2002

In brightest day,
In blackest night,
My smugface makes,
women wet....

That's how it goes, right?

Dre2Dee2 posted:

... nah, just playing y'all. It'll be nice to see what all the hubub is about though, and see how it compares to HoN first hand. Neat.

My brief opinions: It feels slow. It feels dated. I was definitely wearing rose colored glasses. Games take too long, and while they can be fun, I wish they were over 15-20 minutes before they actually end. Just my 2 cents. DotA2 actually made me play HoN again, a game I hadn't played in months.

Minrad
Sep 26, 2007

He wants a much bigger lamp than the little ones I have.


DotA 2 needs a concede option to make me want to play it much over HoN.

Though I enjoy DotA 2 more than HoN NM games, CM is still the best!

RickoniX
Dec 4, 2005

A human or elf?

NO NOT A BADGER YOU GOON


So Milkfat is not even 12 hours in and is dragging; his reflexes are failing and he's making nonsensical decisions (and getting owned by 1600 pubs) Anyone want to take bets on how far he'll actually get?

http://www.twitch.tv/milkfat

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

TOUCHDOOOOWWWNNNN


RickoniX posted:

So Milkfat is not even 12 hours in and is dragging; his reflexes are failing and he's making nonsensical decisions (and getting owned by 1600 pubs) Anyone want to take bets on how far he'll actually get?

http://www.twitch.tv/milkfat

Thirty hours. I think he'll make it through tonight, might be rough, but once morning hits he'll be fine. But I doubt there's any way he makes it through the second night.

RickoniX
Dec 4, 2005

A human or elf?

NO NOT A BADGER YOU GOON


Brannock posted:

Thirty hours. I think he'll make it through tonight, might be rough, but once morning hits he'll be fine. But I doubt there's any way he makes it through the second night.

What a horrible night to have a curse

Strontosaurus
Sep 11, 2001



I'm getting tired of HoN just watching him.

hypocrite lecteur
Aug 21, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post


niggapolis posted:

Ive seen way too many people with green names. Just another small but painful hit to my faith in humanity.

I've spent more on drinks for people I met for 30 seconds than a green name costs. Sorry your faith in humanity is apparently as easy to shake as "having a small amount of disposable income"

ZYNGA STOCK CRASHER
Dec 26, 2010

I"M A BIG GAY DORK

SKA SUCKS


Brannock posted:

Thirty hours. I think he'll make it through tonight, might be rough, but once morning hits he'll be fine. But I doubt there's any way he makes it through the second night.

Really? Milkfat not living up to his claims? You don't say

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

TOUCHDOOOOWWWNNNN


I mean, I dunno. I'm speaking from personal experience here - I've never been able to pull a double allnighter ever in my life. The first night is doable, gets a LOT better once it's 7 or 8 AM and your body clock is like "Yeah, you're awake now", but after that I just pass out several hours before my bedtime.

On top of that, Milkfat is playing constantly throughout this whole experience. He's not spending half his time goofing off or spacing out, he has to stay focused on HoN the whole time and make an action every 7 seconds at the very minimum. That can become very mentally taxing.

Minrad
Sep 26, 2007

He wants a much bigger lamp than the little ones I have.


Golden Emperor Pharoah looks to be 420 gold/3000 silver

Lu bu roah nooooo

Edit: Anyone taking bets on what Milkfat's elo will end up at? I'm gonna say 1380.

hypocrite lecteur
Aug 21, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post


If he legit makes it to 72 hours awake and playing he'll very likely be hallucinating things in the corners of his vision so the stream should be fun to watch at that point

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009


hypocrite lecteur posted:

I've spent more on drinks for people I met for 30 seconds than a green name costs. Sorry your faith in humanity is apparently as easy to shake as "having a small amount of disposable income"

sorry if spending 20 dollars on changing the color of your name in the lobby for a online game sounds incredibly ridiculous to me. I can think of a million better ways to spend my money. Must be nice to have enough money to literally throw it away though!

hypocrite lecteur
Aug 21, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Hey, I haven't bought any cosmetic in hon basically ever because it seems like a pointless waste to me. Especially because all the alt avatars look like absolute poo poo. But let's not pretend we don't all waste money on stupid poo poo from time to time. Who gives a gently caress

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Minrad
Sep 26, 2007

He wants a much bigger lamp than the little ones I have.


niggapolis posted:

sorry if spending 20 dollars on changing the color of your name in the lobby for a online game sounds incredibly ridiculous to me. I can think of a million better ways to spend my money. Must be nice to have enough money to literally throw it away though!

Some people have a lot of excess gold from doing referrals early on or they get gold that's paid out by S2 for doing GM and SBT work, etc.

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