Heroes of Newerth: Maliken (Mentor): winvirus nooo

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Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

YouTuber posted:

Puzzlebox minions are too loving slow to catch almost every hero if they're smart and ignore them and run off.

It's too bad he doesn't have a way to give them max movespeed and unitwalking, eh?

# ¿ Dec 17, 2011 04:28

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# ¿ May 26, 2013 03:09

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

YouTuber posted:

I've been playing DOTA/HON for years, I've seen exceptional players do both and the standard build is more viable lategame over the Necronomicon/Puzzlebox build.

Why are you letting it get to lategame?

# ¿ Dec 17, 2011 05:35

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

totalnewbie posted:

When you do it right, your wolves and pbox minions will 2-shot support heroes.

Warbeast has 2 skills which benefit summned mobs. Pbox doubles those skills' effectiveness. Terrible item, really.

3, actually

# ¿ Dec 17, 2011 06:15

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

winvirus posted:

Who's your guys's most fun to play heroes in your opinion?

Lately I've been feeling like Devourer, Rampage and Amun Ra. Man-up heroes are always fun. Pollywag's a blast, too.

Pharaoh is THE biggest man-up hero.

# ¿ Dec 18, 2011 21:18

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Brannock posted:

I'm always unsure of the best first item to go with on Pharaoh after I get my chalice/steamboots/mystic vest. What do you usually build on him?

My last five Pharaoh games I've gone puzzlebox, SotM, barbed armor, nullstone, mock as my first major items after my core loadout. None of them has felt like they've really stepped up my power level, they just feel "nice" and I mostly feel behind on the damage curve. Once I have two or three major items then yeah Pharaoh is disruptive as poo poo but it's the midgame I'm having issues with - which is troubling since Pharaoh is supposed to be king of the midgame.

From my experience, I never really put out that much damage as Pharaoh. I'd usually build chalice/steams/hotbl/shamans/barbed (varying depending on enemy team comp), while conducting a ganking reign of terror on the enemy team. It's surprising how much pubs will follow you around ganking if you set them up for a few kills early

They'll literally follow you into the enemy pool. Meanwhile, the enemy (at the level I played at, so bads) becomes so afraid of you, even though you do gently caress-all damage, that as soon as you show up they start hauling rear end, even if they could probably win the fight, or if they do try to kill you, you're generally tanky enough to shrug it off. I can't count the number of times I'd see an enemy in their jungle from the river, ult in, leaving my pubs to run around to me, taking around 10 seconds, so I'm alone in the middle of the enemy team. Generally, two or three run immediately, and the other two try to take me on, then I lead them on a merry chase into the middle of my team.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2011 06:16

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

d[-.-]b posted:

You sure? I'm almost positive i've been mana burn raped by a pair of Gemini wolves. Maybe it was one with geobane and nullfire, but I doubt it.

Manaburn doesn't propagate to illusions, unless they reverted that change.

# ¿ Dec 25, 2011 05:45

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

mitztronic posted:

It always has, and still does. How do people not know these simple mechanics by this point?

Go play magebane in a practice server and get an illusion rune.

http://heroes-ofnewerth.blogspot.co...rn-rampage.html

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- The following items' Attack effects will no longer propagate to illusions
* Icebrand
* Frostburn
* Shieldbreaker
* Frostwolf's Skull
* Nullfire Blade

I should have mentioned items, though, but yeah

YouTuber posted:

The wolves aren't illusions they're more or less heroes that are linked by the merge ability and will die if the other dies.

I was referring to this:

d[-.-]b posted:

You sure? I'm almost positive i've been mana burn raped by a pair of Gemini wolves. Maybe it was one with geobane and nullfire, but I doubt it.

# ¿ Dec 25, 2011 06:32

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

S.T.C.A. posted:

I'm ignorant of exactly how his ult functions. Do BOTH halves have to channel to merge, or only one has to channel, or can ONLY one channel (i.e. only fire or only ice has the merge ability)? I ask because right now, against bad geminis, it's easy to lock down fire or ice and kill them because they're bad.

The only really OP tactic I can see is having one half run away and channel to merge to save the half that's about to die, but I don't fully understand where he reappears after a merge or if it's even possible to do that split-and-merge tactic.

Otherwise yeah, I get that farming a jungle and a lane at one time is crazy, but that means you aren't warding the jungle of an enemy Gemini.

The wolves have two abilities. One is a channel that moves the casting wolf to the other's location, the other merges them (not channeled if I recall), but has a very short cast range.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2011 19:15

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Boing posted:

Wait why is Silhouette OP? I've played her a few times and she doesn't seem very good at all, her grapple thing is too specifically situational, her nuke is okay if you can time it (but no stronger than other, non-skillshot nukes) and her passive doesn't seem to scale that well or anything.

Her grapple used to stun through magic immunity, her passive did more damage per stack, and her ult's duration (and cooldown/damage taken/received?) All used to be much better.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2011 00:24

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Guilty posted:

Sil could also dual lane farm pretty efficiently with the old cooldown

Not to mention laning against her was rage-inducing due to her passive.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2011 01:00

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Boing posted:

Why is Magebane that good? He has good attackspeed/animation and does a fair bit of damage when he attacks but I don't understand why he's supposed to scale so well with farm. Can't you just run away from him? Most of the guides I've read don't even give him ghost marchers or any sort of snare.

I see people in this thread saying that picking Magebane is how you raise your PSR beacuse you'll just get loads of kills and win every game but it never works out for me.

a. He has a blink on a 6 second cooldown, and one of the highest base movespeeds in the game, if I recall correctly. You don't run away from that.

b. You have supports for crowd control.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2012 22:32

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Brannock posted:

I'm surprised you haven't seen "Sunflower" for Salforis yet, actually.

So would that make him... Lord Solflores?

Or is that already the joke?

# ¿ Jan 8, 2012 07:37

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

quote:

On the plus side though, I'm sure Maliken's got a fleet of ferrari's at this point, and that's what truly matters.

# ¿ Jan 10, 2012 06:43

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

seizure later posted:

RicX famously did this with LoL where he trolled almost every game he played and wasn't banned for months / almost a year to prove the point that Riot were worthless shitheels who didn't pay attention to reports.

He mentioned during one of the goon houses that he's now banned for 140(0?) years due to all the leaving/trolling he did

# ¿ Jan 12, 2012 00:27

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

RickoniX posted:

212 years 1 month 21 days 21 hours 21 minutes 21 seconds

Ah, yeah, that was it.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2012 00:54

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Aristobulus posted:

I don't really understand this change to Valk - what could she do before that she can't do now? I read "disjoint ults" but which ults and how exactly?

I'm guessing it's something like Leaping when a Pyro tries to ult, so you dodge the ult, and now you'll still get hit - but isn't that intended, since Midas and probably some other heroes can dodge it with similar movement abilities?

I'm not saying it shouldn't have been changed, just curious on the exact mechanics and mindset and all.

No, that's fine (though you can't disjoint pyro ult), the issue was that she could leap away from channeled disables after they'd already been applied, burning the cooldown and mana with no cost other than leap going on cooldown. And this was as easy as mashing the hotkey as soon as you got hooked. (Reason being leap binds you to a projectile, which then does the actual move, though you're still targetable. So you get stunned, but your model still follows the projectile, pulling you out of range of the ult and canceling the channel)

Regarding Pyro (and Witch Slayer, if memory serves), they can't be disjointed, but a few spells, such as Midas' blink, give a brief moment of invulnerability, and if the ult his during that moment, the damage is wasted. Madman's barrel roll and Repulsor's ult are other examples.

Lprsti99 fucked around with this message at Jan 26, 2012 around 21:35

# ¿ Jan 25, 2012 20:12

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

S.T.C.A. posted:

Who does the Stormspirit change affect? The addition of Perplexing makes me think it's designed to counter Bubbles, cause who else would get PK + Stormspirit (even though they already nerfed that combo a while ago)? Or is the intent to make it such that you now have half-a-second to damage the cycloned target before they just PK away?

It means a carry can't immediately pop Shrunken Head after being disabled.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2012 23:35

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Ornedan posted:

Automated spelling corrections: worse than useless.

BURN ALL OF THE CHILDREN!

(Swyyyyyype!

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# ¿ Jan 26, 2012 21:34

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Veryslightlymad posted:

I have completely different main heroes, now.

Don't do this. You shouldn't "main" a few heroes like you would in LoL, you really want to be learning them all, especially considering that you have a legacy account, and therefore access to all of the released heroes. If you want my advice (you probably shouldn't), queue into AR and go to town learning whoever you get. (If AR queue times are too long, do SD, and pick whoever you've never played/played the least.) Bonus of having effectively no smurfs, because F2P accounts don't get access to those queues until they've played a decent amount.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2012 14:36

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Elman posted:

Polly's new avatar is only 600 silver

I would assume that's only because it's the old model (or that's what the name leads me to believe), and even S2 couldn't bring themselves to make a skin that everyone used to have (as the default) premium.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2012 15:22

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Brannock posted:

Staff of the Master, Restoration Stone, Daemonic Breastplate. Throw in tablet/stormspirit/sheepstick somewhere in that build if you feel like it.

No Astrolabe?

# ¿ Feb 4, 2012 17:53

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

bvoid posted:

99 Health Pots

Ahhh. I never played support Void, so I wasn't sure.

# ¿ Feb 4, 2012 18:44

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Kumbamontu posted:

78906746

I'm usually not super proud of my play but getting an Immortal with Armadon has to be the most satisfying thing ever. Yeah these are 1500 pubstars but I'm pretty happy with how this game turned out!

Any special tips for Armadon play? Started with the suggested items, build went Chalice -> Hotbl -> Vestments -> Phase boots -> Headress -> Sol's then the game ended

I felt like even with the chalice though I had mana problems early game, though I was fighting heroes so often I guess it's to be expected.

tl;dr I love Armadon

Get Sol's earlier, it owns on him.

# ¿ Feb 6, 2012 18:29

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Mister No posted:

Me and my friend does pretty well with Geo in our pro 1500 bracket, but can't play Magmus worth poo poo. Any magmus tips?

Awareness. Magmus is right up there as one of the hardest heroes to kill, but rather than just tanking damage, he will dodge nearly every stun that isn't instant cast and/or hits him when he's right on the edge of the fog, especially when he gets blink.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2012 13:44

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

libberlibber posted:

So just to be clear, someone can call for remake, not get it, go afk then dc loving over our team and I AM NOT ALLOWED to report them for it?

Nope, the leave is the punishment.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2012 06:31

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Aghs on Invoker also reduces the mana cost of Invoke from 80 to 0 (at level 4)

# ¿ Feb 14, 2012 06:24

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Dukka posted:

Stomping bugs, geez.

I was about to say that, too

# ¿ Feb 24, 2012 01:16

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Healbot posted:

No Fayde or Madman in it, but I'm willing to believe your theory.

Fayde is below and to the right of EW. Madman is above Deadwood.

e:fb

# ¿ Feb 24, 2012 05:01

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Elman posted:

Legionnaire currently spins 100% of the time when using his Logger alt.

Just saying.

Ahaha, that's great

# ¿ Feb 24, 2012 14:55

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Dukka posted:

Induct Pharaoh into some kind of hall of fame.

That is just the funniest thing.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2012 17:26

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Decrepus posted:

A lot of people on this forum have autism. The amount of "I can't tell if you are serious or not" posts is mind boggling. It is probably around 10% of total posts on SA.

I've just stopped assuming people are being sarcastic, because often as not they're 100% serious about, for example, Deadwood being completely overpowered.

# ¿ Feb 29, 2012 12:33

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Brannock posted:

Doesn't it say on the tooltip now? I recall that being a previous change.

You want to stun your target with Stalagmites, then toss him immediately after you cast the stun. Chucked targets take double damage from Stalagmites. The best way to do this is with a Portal Key, however some players use Assassin's Shroud to accomplish this.

You can still combo targets with a Nullstone by targeting yourself with Chuck - it'll grab the nearest unit to you, which hopefully should be your target.

You may not always want to combo people with Pebbles - sometimes you'll want to stun them, then toss them towards your team so they can reliably finish them off instead of trying to squeeze out an extra 300 damage.

Better yet, chuck first, then stun where they land.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2012 05:06

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

guppy posted:

Does it actually affect orbs? I would have assumed it didn't. In Dota aren't orbs treated different for stuff like that?

No, you can't use orbs while silenced. In fact, it interacts similarly to the closest related example I can think of, Enchantress' Untouchable, which slows attack speed when she's targeted with a spell or an autoattack, including orbs.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2012 23:54

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

guppy posted:

I get that you can't cast the orb when already silenced, I just wanted to know if using the orb actually silenced you.

Ah, yeah, manually cast orbs still count as autoattacks for everything but creep aggro, as far as I know (you can still miss due to uphill/evasion, for example)

# ¿ Mar 13, 2012 17:15

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

cumtini... on ice posted:

Can I report someone for threatening to trace my IP, kill me, and surprise sex my mother because I got the kill when he was magebane? It was over voice chat, so I dont know if it'll count

I see you've met Maliken.

# ¿ Mar 23, 2012 00:51

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Korgoth posted:

Because late game those taper off, and hellflower helps by making you more useful late game, also you don't have to focus whoever you nuke down with hellflower if it's enough to kill them (say glacius or something) then you can silence and screw over another enemy with hellflower.

Also keep in mind that Hellflower perplexes, meaning that squishy carry is no longer safe just because they got a bkb, assuming you can get the Hellflower off first.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2012 22:43

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

New Jiggle Billy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRwl0amdAgY

# ¿ Mar 31, 2012 00:37

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# ¿ May 26, 2013 03:09

Lprsti99: Apr 7, 2011; I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
~Oscar Wilde

Korgoth posted:

So the only way to damage someone during Shared Existance would be with harkons?

Elysiume posted:

Oh, physical attacks and physical spells, not [physical attacks] and [spells]. I'm so tired I can't handle anything approaching complex sentence structures, I guess.

What it means is stuff like Rampage's spells, Nomad's strikes, dsham healbomb, etc won't deal damage, but magic spells like thunderbringer's spells will do amplified damage.

# ¿ Apr 13, 2012 07:56

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