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Digital Jedi posted:As I understand it The Hobbit is a single book and the movie is split into two parts. Is it known where the first movie will end and the second to begin? And where in the books this would be at? (I'm only 6 chapters into it so far and loving it.) The split hasn't been announced yet (I assume it will be somewhere where they can get a good "cliffhanger") and they will be adding stuff from the Appendices of Lord of the Rings to flesh out the story for two films.
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If I had to guess it would be after the barrel scene (I'm keeping things vague here so I don't ruin it for people still reading the book). I read somewhere that they stop right after 'Bilbo's attitude towards the dwarves changes', and that scene is the first time where Bilbo tells the dwarves what to do instead of being a passive traveller.
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Dec 21, 2011 09:24
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kanonvandekempen posted:If I had to guess it would be after the barrel scene (I'm keeping things vague here so I don't ruin it for people still reading the book). Hmm, interesting. I figured they would make the split well before the barrel sequence. To me, I always felt like the "midpoint" of the novel was basically the time they spend with Beorn, after they cross the Misty Mountains and before they enter Mirkwood. In the book, there's quite a bit of suspense prior to entering Mirkwood, and it's also the point at which Gandalf leaves them to go take care of some other poo poo (possible movie spoilers) that other poo poo being his leaving to meet up with the White Council and overthrow The Necromancer, AKA Sauron. Putting the dividing point here would also let them open the second film with a nice double-narrative. So I sort of figure that there's enough tension right there at the edge of Mirkwood to create a great cliffhanger, and it strikes me as a very natural dividing point in the text. I think going all the way to the end of Mirkwood would be awful, because it would mean that the second film would probably focus WAY too much on boring battle sequences. And that's my deepest fear about these films, because I felt that the parts 2 and 3 of the LotR films were almost ruined by excessive and overdone war sequences.
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Dec 21, 2011 10:22
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Boz0r posted:Is there anywhere you can download some 48fps footage so we can see how it'll look? http://hdcam.web-pda.info/ There should be some nice examples there. Keep in mind these are raw files.
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Dec 21, 2011 10:41
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Oh poo poo, I didn't know Mark Hadlow (Dori) was in this, I'm gonna have to ask him about it next time he comes into the deli where I work 
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Dec 21, 2011 11:14
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kaworu posted:I think going all the way to the end of Mirkwood would be awful, because it would mean that the second film would probably focus WAY too much on boring battle sequences. And that's my deepest fear about these films, because I felt that the parts 2 and 3 of the LotR films were almost ruined by excessive and overdone war sequences. If you look at the cast list they have casted roles like Thror, Thrain and Azog, so it seems they will be showing some non-hobbit stuff as well, this is from the appendices to the lord of the rings.
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Dec 21, 2011 11:37
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We need some motherfucking gifs! Wanna see that quick shot of the dwarves tossing plates around while Bombur bops in his chair, over and over for all eternity.
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Dec 21, 2011 12:35
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Oh my loving God the singing. I can't believe they pulled it off. Who was that dueling with Gandalf in the ruins around 1:57? I can't believe they got me that stoked without a shot of the spiders or the drat dragon. I'm very impressed.
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Dec 21, 2011 12:42
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Nilbop posted:Oh my loving God the singing. Those ruins Gandalf is exploring would appear to be Dol Guldur, and that thing that he is fighting is actually very intriguing - I initially assumed it was just some sort of Orc but if you step frame-by-frame you can see that it appears to have a long bushy beard, which is not very orc-like. It also seems to be a bit tougher than regular Orcs for it to be giving Gandalf that much grief. Fascinating indeed.
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Dec 21, 2011 14:17
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Those ruins Gandalf is exploring would appear to be Dol Guldur, and that thing that he is fighting is actually very intriguing - I initially assumed it was just some sort of Orc but if you step frame-by-frame you can see that it appears to have a long bushy beard, which is not very orc-like. It also seems to be a bit tougher than regular Orcs for it to be giving Gandalf that much grief. Fascinating indeed. I'm guessing this could be a scene towards the beginning of the movie detailing how Gandalf found Thorin's father in Dol Goldur and got the map and key from him.
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Dec 21, 2011 14:27
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The trailer was pretty low key. But then, the movie is going to be pretty drat low key if they are only covering the first half of the hobbit. If they could do the fellowship of the ring in a single movie they should be able to do the Hobbit in a (shorter) movie.
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That trailer is fantastic, The Hobbit is now at the top of my must-see movie list for 2012.Hedrigall posted:We need some motherfucking gifs! Wanna see that quick shot of the dwarves tossing plates around while Bombur bops in his chair, over and over for all eternity. It's funny to see spoilered text regarding a book that came out over 75 years ago. If you're looking at this thread and haven't read the book go get it and remedy that. Now!
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Dec 21, 2011 14:41
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I'm a little worried about how rubbery the dwarf makeup looked, but other than that, I got chills. This was one of my favorite books as a kid, and I have full faith in PJ and company to nail it.
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Dec 21, 2011 14:51
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Binary Logic posted:It's funny to see spoilered text regarding a book that came out over 75 years ago. If you're looking at this thread and haven't read the book go get it and remedy that. Now! I concur. Everyone should get this edition:  It's an adorable-as-gently caress little hardcover about 5 inches tall that you can carry around in your pocket and whip out to read.  The section of the cover that has the "pocket edition" and the big yellow circle, is a wrap-around thing that you can take off — the regular Hobbit dust jacket is underneath. And the maps are inside the front (Thrain's map) and back (geographical map) covers
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Dec 21, 2011 14:52
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Amethyst posted:The trailer was pretty low key. But then, the movie is going to be pretty drat low key if they are only covering the first half of the hobbit. If they could do the fellowship of the ring in a single movie they should be able to do the Hobbit in a (shorter) movie. As has been continually stated, it isn't just material from "The Hobbit" that is being filmed. A lot of stuff from the appendices of Lord of the Rings, which fills in several gaps in the narrative (specifically those that involve Gandalf's constant disappearing act) are in there, too.
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Dec 21, 2011 15:08
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I've just been frame-stepping through the 1080 version of the trailer and actually noticed you get a clear shot at one of the Stone Troll's faces: It's interesting to see how this obviously shares DNA with the LotR Cave Troll, but seems a bit more human-like.
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Dec 21, 2011 15:21
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Anyone have a screenshot of the stone trolls from Fellowship? Would be interesting to see how close in design they match.
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Dec 21, 2011 15:55
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Teek posted:Anyone have a screenshot of the stone trolls from Fellowship? Would be interesting to see how close in design they match. The best image is from Weta's collectible version: http://www.wetanz.com/assets/Uploads/LOTRenviro3trollslrg.jpg The nose has changed the most, and the eyes are now more  , but I think it's close enough.
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Dec 21, 2011 16:15
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:I've just been frame-stepping through the 1080 version of the trailer and actually noticed you get a clear shot at one of the Stone Troll's faces: I think that's Michael Berryman.
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Dec 21, 2011 16:17
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Remember that Bilbo is an unreliable narrator which explains away any and all differences between how things look and act in the Hobbit and LOTR.
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Dec 21, 2011 16:30
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Oh my. I could listen to that song on repeat for the rest of the day and not worry about anything else. I can't believe we have to wait a god damned YEAR.
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Dec 21, 2011 16:47
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Holy poo poo, I've just realised who Gandalf is fighting at 1:57, and it's pretty awesome It has to be the Dwarven king Thráin II, who has been clearly driven mad both by his imprisonment in Dol Guldur, and the fact that he wielded one of Sauron's rings. His crusty appearance again shows the corrupting power of Sauron's rings It explains the hair, beard, regal-ish clothes and the fact that he's a short-arse. EDIT: oops, just realised that Viridiant basically guessed the same severl posts above me! Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Dec 21, 2011 |
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Dec 21, 2011 16:51
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That's pretty awesome if true, and much more interesting any explanation than I was thinking.keep punching joe posted:Remember that Bilbo is an unreliable narrator which explains away any and all differences between how things look and act in the Hobbit and LOTR. This is exactly what Bilbo's dialogue at the beginning of the trailer is implying. I also hope they never go and replace the young Bilbo scene in LOTR for the same reasons: it could be read as his subjective flashback, and he's placing (a younger version of) his current self in the role.
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Dec 21, 2011 16:52
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Holy poo poo, I've just realised who Gandalf is fighting at 1:57, and it's pretty awesome That would be unexpected and totally rad if true.
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Dec 21, 2011 17:06
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I literally teared up listening to the Dwarves sing half way through. Dwalin looks cool as poo poo and all the Dwarfs look pretty how how I pictured them. I'm probably going to watch this trailer 6-7 times today.
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Dec 21, 2011 18:13
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The song's perfect. The movie looks like LOTR. Works for me.
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It is a weird day at work to walk in and hear high-level executives singing a Dwarven song while getting coffee.
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Dec 21, 2011 18:51
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I wonder if any of Del Toro's concepts carried over when Jackson took over the reigns. Del Toro was really really hyping up his concept of Smaug and I'm curious what he had planned.
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the Bunt posted:I wonder if any of Del Toro's concepts carried over when Jackson took over the reigns. Del Toro was really really hyping up his concept of Smaug and I'm curious what he had planned. Same here. Del Toro said they were doing Smaug at least partially with practical effects and that they were built and looked amazing. I'm wondering if Jackson scratched all that or not.
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Dec 21, 2011 19:40
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I ripped the dwarven singing and am giving all my fellow goons access to the tracks. One has an ending dialogue attached to it, the other has it without. http://soundcloud.com/abnegatus If this doesn't let you download, just shoot me to another audio hosting site and I'll upload it there.
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Dec 21, 2011 19:50
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Here's what others are saying about the trailer... http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/the-hobbit-unexpected-journey-trailer-reactions-review-275882p 94 images from the trailer... http://www.cinemablend.com/new/94-Images-From-Hobbit-An-Unexpected-Journey-Trailer-28465.html 10 things we learned... http://www.hitfix.com/galleries/10-things-we-learned-from-the-hobbit-trailer
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Dec 21, 2011 19:55
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kiimo posted:10 things we learned... That's a pretty abysmal article. "Gandalf goes to Moria!" "They battle giants!" "Gandalf-Galadriel sex scene!"
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Peter Jackson on Facebook posted:Hi everyone! This year is the tenth anniversary of the release of The Fellowship of the Ring, and we wanted to give the fans a Christmas treat ahead of the release of the two Hobbit movies in Dec 2012 and 2013. Stay tuned for more. Cheers! Anyone have any idea what this is about? It was posted well after the trailer.
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Dec 21, 2011 20:16
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I have nothing new to add to this thread other than holy poo poo this is actually going to get made after all. Interesting that they're splitting it into two films though if they plan on cramming a bunch of LotR backstory into them then it seems like a sound choice. On its own The Hobbit wasn't any longer than any of the individual LotR books, was it?
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C-Euro posted:I have nothing new to add to this thread other than holy poo poo this is actually going to get made after all. Interesting that they're splitting it into two films though if they plan on cramming a bunch of LotR backstory into them then it seems like a sound choice. On its own The Hobbit wasn't any longer than any of the individual LotR books, was it? No, it is significantly shorter. You can finish the Hobbit in an afternoon.
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Dec 21, 2011 20:52
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C-Euro posted:I have nothing new to add to this thread other than holy poo poo this is actually going to get made after all. Interesting that they're splitting it into two films though if they plan on cramming a bunch of LotR backstory into them then it seems like a sound choice. On its own The Hobbit wasn't any longer than any of the individual LotR books, was it? It's a decent sized book, shorter than the others but it's a quick read, is less wordy, less indulgent/hemingway-ish- overall more geared toward children. On the other hand, they also cut out plenty of stuff in the LOTR adaptations so who knows. It's coming up on 15 years or so since I last read The Hobbit, so I can't say for sure if more stuff happens explicitly. I'm sure the trilogy would have been six movies (which is actually how the books are split up, it's actually six 'books' all together, iirc?) if the studio wasn't already taking a big chance at the time, "fantasy" movies were pretty much a joke back then.
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Here's to the longest year ever, god damnit.
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It did have some epic poo poo though, like Smaug and the battle of five armies. A 5 minute Silmarillion intro would be super epic, but I doubt it will happen since it looks like the movie will be framed by Bilbo talking to Frodo. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Dec 21, 2011 |
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:
I giggled at this because I picture him pretending to be an airplane in a motion capture suit.
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Abnegatus posted:I ripped the dwarven singing and am giving all my fellow goons access to the tracks. One has an ending dialogue attached to it, the other has it without. This cool man thanks for sharing. I love the music pickup in the trailer at 1:50. Hopefully they will throw us a bone and prerelease some of the movie tracks. I am pretty sure the fellowship soundtrack was out several months in advance of the actual film.
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