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Khizan posted:Combine the two and there's basically no helpfulness limit that rules somebody out as a member of the Black Ajah. There was a Black sister at the Cleansing - Elza. She believed that Rand had to succeed until the Last Battle, so was quite happy to help take down Forsaken there.
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Two Finger posted:Thinking about it they had both mat and rand cold in tsr during the trollocs attack on the stone but that got ducked up by one of the others (graendal?) Which ultimately lead to all of their deaths and the victory of the light. Dark one must have been PISSED. That was, IIRC, Sammael's group, but Semirhage was told to bring her forces against them. Killing people simply respools their thread for re-weaving and there's really no such thing as Dark One owning your soul. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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rchandra posted:There was a Black sister at the Cleansing - Elza. She believed that Rand had to succeed until the Last Battle, so was quite happy to help take down Forsaken there. She believed that Rand had to survive until the Last Battle because Verin had used Compulsion on her to make her believe just that. She was also not happy to fight against the Forsaken, her inner monologue was something like "oh god, I'm going against the Chosen, but the Dragon Reborn must survive until the Last Battle, the Dark One must understand this, please please please".
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ruby idiot railed posted:That was, IIRC, Sammael's group, but Semirhage was told to bring her forces against them. Killing people simply respools their thread for re-weaving and there's really no such thing as Dark One owning your soul. Yeah I more meant if rand and mat got dusted then it's oops no one left to win the last battle thanks for coming humanity
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Torrannor posted:She believed that Rand had to survive until the Last Battle because Verin had used Compulsion on her to make her believe just that. She was also not happy to fight against the Forsaken, her inner monologue was something like "oh god, I'm going against the Chosen, but the Dragon Reborn must survive until the Last Battle, the Dark One must understand this, please please please". I actually don't remember this at all. This must be when they're all at Shadar Logoth and they're fighting off the guys who want to stop Rand from cleansing saidin?
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Gologle posted:I actually don't remember this at all. This must be when they're all at Shadar Logoth and they're fighting off the guys who want to stop Rand from cleansing saidin? nah. during either book seven or eight, when some of Elaida's escort for rand is in the hands of the Aiel wise ones.
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The Dark one would probably have been super pissed about them failing to kill Mat. From the objectives set down by Moridin it seems that if they take him out the game he doesn't get woven back in and that would really poo poo up the light. I thought that it was Lanfear that ordered her Trollocs to interfere with Sammaels? Where did we find out that it was Semiraghe? Also in ACOS, Verin is given access to any sisters held prisoner by the Aiel and compels them all to swear fealty to Rand. She's super pissed when she finds out that Katerine managed to escape.
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Yorkshire Tea posted:The Dark one would probably have been super pissed about them failing to kill Mat. From the objectives set down by Moridin it seems that if they take him out the game he doesn't get woven back in and that would really poo poo up the light. Lord of Chaos - Threads Woven of Shadow posted:[Semirhage POV] Also, one thing I don't understand: What was the deal with killing or not killing Rand, and converting or not converting him? Before the Sanderson books, I had the impression that simply killing Rand wouldn't have meant that the Dark One would win the Last Battle. It would have meant bad things for mankind, but it would survive, and when the Wheel of Time next came to this age, it would all start over again. The Dark One had to convert Rand to his cause to truly free him. At least that's what I thought. But now we learn in the last book that the Dark One never meant to "win" in the way Ishamael and a lot of the lightside characters thought, in the "destroy the Wheel of Time and unmake reality" sense. He wants people to suffer forever, but for that there must be people, and not a great Nothingness that Ishamael so desperately seeks. What was his agenda/goal in the end? And did he really need Rand to free him. The ending was not very illuminating when it comes to the DO.
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Wheel of Time Compendium article on Elayne: http://www.tor.com/2015/08/19/the-wheel-of-time-companion-spin-the-wheel-3-entry-elayne-trakand/ In Sienda they encountered Galad, who wanted to take them to Caemlyn. To escape him they joined Valan Luca’s show; Elayne performed as a tightrope walker. They met Cerandin, a Seanchan who had been left behind at Falme; she gave Elayne an a’dam. Elayne studied it and figured out how it worked and thought that she could make other ter’angreal. After Birgitte was ripped bodily out of Tel’aran’rhiod by Moghedien, Elayne bonded Birgitte as her Warder to save Birgitte’s life. In Samara, Nynaeve asked both Masema and Galad to get them a ship so that they could go to Salidar; although the Whitecloaks fighting the Prophet’s men caused a great riot, they made it to the ship, Riverserpent, and sailed for Salidar. After Nynaeve captured Moghedien, Elayne created an a’dam out of Birgitte’s silver arrow to hold her. 
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These compendium entries are essentially just summaries of what happened in the books. Also the writing is really pretty terrible. Mazrim Taim: http://www.tor.com/2015/08/18/the-wheel-of-time-companion-spin-the-wheel-3-entry-mazrim-taim/ "He was not a nice man at all." "Because it was necessary, of course; he would kill, rob, whatever, but only because it was necessary" Elayne: "While she was ready to bend (e.g., novice training), she usually wanted and expected her own way, and was really shocked or surprised that she could be hurt even when she had taken a risk." Stopped reading after that
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What the gently caress that is awful. Rest in Peace RJ, I'm glad you aren't seeing this 
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If he was alive, it would probably be a lot better and we would be looking forward to our first outrigger book Come on, at least give us some bullshit about they do after the last battle EDIT: Wow, I never realized he was so young when he died, I had always thought he was in his 70s for some reason The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Aug 21, 2015 |
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Yeah there is no way Robert Jordan would have signed off on this book. It really is a tragedy that he died at such a young age, he was such a talented author.
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guys im relatively certain that quick Ben would have thoroughly hosed up rand without even trying
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gonna go out on a limb here and say the chapter goldeneyes from TSR is one of the best things jordan ever wrote extrapolating here but i suspect he was once in a situation he didn't expect to walk away from dude captures the emotions so well well that's all i gotta say WOT owns nope wait got something more to say gently caress whitecloaks Comrade Blyatlov fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Aug 23, 2015 |
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Two Finger posted:gonna go out on a limb here and say the chapter goldeneyes from TSR is one of the best things jordan ever wrote Jordan fought in Vietnam.
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I was seriously thinking about getting the Companion, but after reading these extracts, I just feel sad about how much garbage it seems it's going to be.
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Second post, because Tor have released the forward for the book, and ain't this something...Harriet posted:When I began editing The Eye of the World, I started a list of proper nouns, keeping them in a file known as “Raw Glossary.” It is a thing copy editors do—and I had been one, many and many a year ago, in a kingdom by the sea called Manhattan—with the idea that it is useful to have a canonical list of the spellings in a series. This “Raw Glossary” expanded through—oh I don’t know—about the first seven books; I then turned its care and maintenance over to Maria Simons, and the stalwart Alan Romanczuk. http://www.tor.com/2015/08/26/the-w...mpanion+Excerpt Nice to see that even the foreword starts as abruptly and with as little editorial judgement as the rest of the piece. This has gone from 'must buy' to 'avoid completely'.
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Same, gonna go cancel my pre-order
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Wow. Thought it would be a career capstone, instead its a catty cash-grab.
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Encyclopaedia WoT is a much better reference work then. It's actually incredibly good, I've never seen any other site as good as this for any other sf/fantasy literature.
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So the compendium is going to be a giant glossary and a poorly written one at that? I wonder who thought this would be a good idea, since it adds nothing to the series at all. They should just release Jordan's notes verbatim and charge for that instead.
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I like how the introduction says "hey these websites have more stuff on them then this book."
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Eh, I'm not sure it would have been possible for it to be anything other than as described. An online encyclopedia is going to be bigger by far than any single volume work, there are going to be discrepancies in the notes given Jordan's passing and the circumstances, and just publishing the photocopied notes probably wouldn't be feasible either due to size. It just sounds like they're making reasonable compromises. That said yeah I suspect that just like game manuals, almost all the interesting tidbits will be in the online wiki's within hours anyway.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Eh, I'm not sure it would have been possible for it to be anything other than as described. An online encyclopedia is going to be bigger by far than any single volume work, there are going to be discrepancies in the notes given Jordan's passing and the circumstances, and just publishing the photocopied notes probably wouldn't be feasible either due to size. It just sounds like they're making reasonable compromises. While true as far as it goes, I don't think it excuses the poor writing, or the hand-wavey foreword.
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There's a mildly interesting article about the possibilities of time travel in the Wheel of Time universe on tor.com here: http://www.tor.com/2015/09/02/is-time-travel-possible-in-the-wheel-of-time/ The short answer is that it's not really possible without screwing everything up, I'm more posting it for the absolutely amazing art of the Seanchan trying to capture Elayne, Aviendha and Birgitte after they used the Bowl of the Winds. I'm not sure about the rules of posting pics in this thread, it seems to be official art from the Path of Daggers e-book. It's the second picture in the article.
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Yeah that compendium doesn't read well at all. Bummer.Two Finger posted:gonna go out on a limb here and say the chapter goldeneyes from TSR is one of the best things jordan ever wrote That is indeed a badass chapter. One of the better battles, I think (probably better than the similar stuff in AMoL). Reread Goldeneyes and noticed a couple of characters I didn't notice much about when reading before, namely: "Bode Cauthon had a wood-axe gripped in both hands, her sister Eldrin a boar spear with a broad point.". Followed later by "Another Trolloc lifted Bode Cauthon into the air by her braid; mouth wide in a terrified scream, she sank her wood-axe into its mailed shoulder just as her sister, Eldrin, thrust her boar spear through its chest " Mat's sisters are kinda bad rear end for being 16/17 year old  Abell too, if I don't misremember. The Cauthons are some ice-cold OGs. Then I checked on their encylopedia entries and something struck me; Eldrin is dropped after TSR, Ch56 (i.e Goldeneyes) but Bode goes on to become an accepted and show up half a dozen more times, but stops showing up after KoD. Almost any other series would put a lot more focus on stuff like siblings to the main characters, but Jordan's writing always stood out for treating them just like any other (side)side-character. Another interesting thing in that chapter is the whole ISAM! ISAM! ISAM! shouting, bordering on fleshing out the Trollocs there for a moment but I don't think it actually goes anywhere with it.
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The encyclopedia just showed up, I haven't had a chance to take a look at it but was surprised that it has the same format as any other of the WOT hardcovers, and not something similar to the big book of bad art or the discworld art book. I also had thought it would contain some art, but so far all I have seen are the maps. E: I've flipped through it some and also looked up a couple of specific entries, it has B&W art of the main characters as well but very little in additional information which wasn't listed in the books. Ika fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Ika posted:The encyclopedia just showed up, I haven't had a chance to take a look at it but was surprised that it has the same format as any other of the WOT hardcovers, and not something similar to the big book of bad art or the discworld art book. I also had thought it would contain some art, but so far all I have seen are the maps. So, a complete waste of time then?
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Pesmerga posted:So, a complete waste of time then? I'm sure it depends on what you are interested in, but trying to find tidbits of backstory among what is mostly a character listing isn't very fun. Obviously there will be many things that RJ mentioned in a sentence or two that he also didn't have a real solid concept of, but I had hoped for more. The age of legends entry is three sentences, the standing flows is one line, etc. Ika fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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3 lines for the age of legends? Really? The gently caress.
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3 sentences, so something like 8 lines, but still I had hoped for more backstory to what rand sees in rhuidean etc. E: It would also be so much more useful for random tidbits if it were divided up into three sections: "People", "Places", and everything else. Mainly because it contains so many people, such as "The serving girl who fetched mat's bags", and every single tavern ever mentioned. Ika fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Somebody write the Michelin guide to Randland taverns. Also a Randland tea blog. TIA.
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The Lord Bude posted:Somebody write the Michelin guide to Randland taverns. The Dancing Cartman: Atmosphere's electric.
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I do not at all understand the section on strength in the one power.
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I haven't looked at that, but I do know that RJ had his strength scale have 0 as maximum, and then changed the numbering twice, so that everyone has 3 levels of strength, one for each scale.
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Only terrible nerds actually need a scale to measure strength.
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How are u posted:Only terrible nerds actually need a scale to measure strength. This way exactly my thought back when the strength in the one power chapter was previewed.
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How are u posted:Only terrible nerds actually need a scale to measure strength. It occurs to me that there is a substantial overlap between the terrible nerd demographic and the wheel of time superfan demographic.
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How are u posted:Only terrible nerds actually need a scale to measure strength. And RJ, since that dictated how he had to write interactions between aessedai. But other than him, who cares? E: haha I just skimmed through the entry, and it repeats the same sentence about forcing once as well as how men's additional power wasn't that important. Ika fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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