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So I'm rereading and its hilarious bow much nyaneve fucks things up. In Tarabon she sets off a civil war, in gheldien she sets off a war. Just back to back books she is directly causing riots. Also gently caress Egwene. Look at me everything goes my way no matter what
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Stereo posted:Meanwhile Perrin/Nynaeve continue to annoy the poo poo out of me.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:32
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Lord of chaos remains my favorite book in the series. I'm so happy I'm finally to it.
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Jan 8, 2016 02:18
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fordan posted:Yup. We now have the Big Black Book of Bad Glossaries to go with the Big White Book of Bad Art. Yeah but it talks about the age of legends and stuff. So that's cool
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Jan 8, 2016 06:25
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Lord of Chaos is good.
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Jan 11, 2016 22:07
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What is Tarabon then? How about Seanchan
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Jan 12, 2016 21:47
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Nihilarian posted:Elayne never gets better
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Jan 15, 2016 01:47
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JawKnee posted:can you feel it? Please don't. I'm on LoC right now. Egwene just got told she'll be amrylim. I have so much hope. Don't ruin it. And matt is always awesome. The problem with Elayne is she just keeps getting worse. she gets knocked up by Rand and spends 2 books complaining about how its his fault.
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Jan 15, 2016 02:05
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JawKnee posted:Make good use of your thumbs: skip them. They don't mean a goddamn thing in the overall plot. I.... I can't
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Jan 15, 2016 02:13
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Blind Melon posted:I will defend Mat to the death.
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Jan 16, 2016 07:03
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JawKnee posted:I'm in the midst of my nth readthrough - though I'm now reading to my SO (who has never read the series before despite my promoting it as cool and also good for years) like some kind of third-rate audio-book. It's interesting getting someone's reaction who didn't start reading the books in early high-school like I did. But yeah. I keep trying to get my fiancé to read the WoT but can't do it. I'm rereading it for the first time since 14 came out and its pretty cool knowing where Demandred was this time through. Also Mat is amazing always and Faile, and Elayne are the worst. Egwene just upsets me because everything is handed to her forever and she's always looking down on Rand who is struggling to walk to his own death to save the world its just infuriating. Not a thank you for anything ever.
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Jan 17, 2016 03:13
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broken clock opsec posted:Which is all so much horseshit because in the end Egwene dies and Rand lives. With his harem.
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Jan 17, 2016 17:29
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Stop triggering me! Same. If they killed Mat I would been p mad though
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Jan 18, 2016 04:53
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Torrannor posted:There's also Gawyn. But my reaction to his death was more like "good riddance" or "about time!". Same.
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Jan 18, 2016 17:03
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broken clock opsec posted:And Mat and his band lieutenants were just letting that poo poo fester. It's very obviously a thing where you're meant to experience dissonance over what Mat's narrative is vs. what's really going on, like with Rand, and less obviously so with Perrin. The next chapter is from nynaeve's perspective and she talks about how Elyane is purposefully pointing poo poo out that Mat was going to do already to piss him off so he'd do what she wanted him to do aka look at his foxhead
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Jan 18, 2016 21:39
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JawKnee posted:where was this stated? It wasn't.
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Jan 19, 2016 00:20
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I forgot that Elayne and Nynaeve spend the whole series thinking he's an incompetent moron. Also that Tylin literally rapes him
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Jan 23, 2016 18:00
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PS the first 10 chapters of book 8 suck. gently caress Elayne and gently caress Perrin.
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Feb 4, 2016 16:00
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Cartoon Man posted:This is where "The Slump" begins. You got three books to slog through before poo poo gets better. Though the ending of 9 is great, but the rest of that book is rear end. 8 is also awful because there is no Matt. And too much sea folk. 10 is ok because of matt stuff at least. And 9. Plus the end is good. 8 is the worst book
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Feb 4, 2016 17:03
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JawKnee posted:she's 16 when first introduced to the reader Even more likely to fall in love with a strange tall handsome man
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Feb 4, 2016 20:11
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Eric the Mauve posted:I think in Egwene's case we're meant to understand that her Aiel training equipped her to deal with the Tower(s) politics in unexpectedly strong and shrewd ways, and also that nobody, not one person within the Tower or without, ever took her seriously until it was too late and she ruled everything. The rebels set her up as a puppet that could conveniently take the fall when they ended the rebellion, and then after capturing her the Tower, by which I mean Mesaana, (also assuming she was just a puppet, I mean the girl is like 18 for the Creator's sake) figured breaking her would be easy work of maybe a week. But one time he drempt of her and they had sex probably
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Feb 5, 2016 07:08
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JawKnee posted:I don't actually care to defend Gawyn and Egwene's relationship (or any of them really) but they may have spent quite a lot more time together that we didn't get to see in the period in book 2 where Egwene/Elayne/Nynaeve were actually in the Tower for an extended period of time Matt and Tuon is pretty good imo. So is Nynaeve/Lan. Even Perrin/Faile, and I hate Faile. Egwene and Elayne felt forced because they're main characters that had to have a romance.
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Feb 6, 2016 05:25
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broken clock opsec posted:In this instance I don't know why Tuon gets credit for living life with Mat on the run for a couple months and Elayne, for example, doesn't get credit for going out and about doing things (and occasionally bumbling) but having to live a life on the lam hiding from rioters, Whitecloaks, and the Forsaken from books 4 through 7. Tuon is alone with the enemy. Elayne is with Nynaeve, Thom, Jullian, Bayle, and many others helping her out.
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Feb 7, 2016 06:12
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broken clock opsec posted:Tuon had her secret bodyguard and a few others in the entourage who would probably die for her. And she is also hardly defenseless herself. She also more or less knows though hasn't 100% confirmed that she will marry Mat. Elayne is one of the strongest one power users in the world and only has to fear her own stupidity for the most part
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Feb 7, 2016 08:00
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Atlas Hugged posted:Elayne: I'm the best to I'm the best.
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Feb 7, 2016 18:04
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Torrannor posted:Also being convinced that Rand used compulsion on Aes Sedai. Best of all, Egwene thinking that using compulsion on Aes Sedai is extra bad. Who cares about normal people? Double standards are such a huge part of Aes Sedai life. Egwene's whole Matt and Rand are so incompetent and stupid and only I know what is good attitude is annoying. Yes you came from a small village and are now the big dog. What makes you think the freaking Dragon Reborn and another person from that village can have character growth over two years. Forgetting that Matt and Rand saved them at Falme, and Matt did again at Tear and for Elayne again at Ebou Dar. It's just infuriating.
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Feb 7, 2016 22:43
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Just finished 8 and am rereading 9 now. It's a chore. It's not even enjoyable. gently caress Elayne and Perrin forever.
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Feb 11, 2016 00:20
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Also how stupid is Elayne to make that Bargain with the Sea Folk. Heh we'll give you 20 Aes Sedai as slaves and this bowl that you want more than anything. Please change the weather so every person on the planet including you doesn't die.
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Feb 11, 2016 02:02
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Also also the 13x13 turning is some bad bullshit writing that always pissed me off. Why didn't the many black ajah in the tower slowly convert every Aes Sedai over time? They have hundreds of years and apparently there is plenty of places to hide in the basement to do it. E: Mila Kunis would be a good Min RC Cola fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Feb 11, 2016 03:58
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ShadowCatboy posted:Aes Sedai and Warders can sense Myrddraal. If any halfmen entered the Tower they'd immediately be detected. I'd also expect wards would have been set to prevent Myrddraal from entering the more secluded areas. While it might be possible for a 13x13 turning to occur outside of the White Tower, the logistics of organizing so much halfman/womanpower is a bit prohibitive unless you knew where to find a couple isolated Aes Sedai. It seems like something they could work around over 3000 years
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Feb 13, 2016 20:06
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I just got through the Matt part of Winter's Heart. God I love Matt, and I am not looking forward to reading about Elayne again.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:27
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I'm on book 11 and flying through. The difference between 8-10 and 11 is staggering. Only bad parts have Elayne.
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Mar 9, 2016 22:49
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Cartoon Man posted:Bad books are over, it's all good from here. Though the final book is still the weakest of the Sanderson contributions. It really reads like a checklist of poo poo that has to happen before the series can close. Still, it's light years better than 8,9, and 10. I'm super stoaked for this. I've read 14 once, 13 twice, 12 three times, and 11 four times. The further I get the less I remember. It's nice to be surprised by some things again
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Mar 9, 2016 23:08
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Cartoon Man posted:Yup, and we all know this would've happened had Jordan not been terminated diagnosed. Wheel of time 19. The battle for the Lion Throne.
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Mar 9, 2016 23:49
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JawKnee posted:I'm not so sure. As it is we won't get to see what happens in Shara after all this, or Seanchan, or the other planned prequels, which is unfortunate. It would be nice to see some of Demandred's adventures in Shara, and Matt and Tuon dealing with each other post last battle. Reactions to Matt saving the world with his leadership. I just read as if the world were fog in knife of dreams. I forgot how satisfying it is reading Tuon's perspective of Matt. A lion on the high plains indeed
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Mar 10, 2016 01:09
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Back to Wheel of Time chat. Book 12 is wonderful. Rand's path down the dark side if well done
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Mar 12, 2016 13:54
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Egwene vs the seanchan was very powerful
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Mar 14, 2016 05:30
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:The chapters of her blowing them out of the sky and saving whoever she could in the tower and the end of the book (Veins of Gold, I'm looking at you) were just so cathartic. I got chills at Veins of Gold. My fiancé kept looking at me wondering why I was giggling like a madman.
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Mar 14, 2016 18:14
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Cartoon Man posted:Yeah, Veins of Gold is up there for best chapter of the series, right next to ending of Lord of Chaos where Rand says "Kneel or be Knelt!" or something. Kneel to the Lord dragon or you will be knelt by taim is a powerful line. Also rand meeting egwene in calm serenity
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Mad Hamish posted:Yes, but is there anything Elayne actually does like? Being in charge
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