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LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


aqu posted:

whale is freaking delicious.

it's like beef infused with the OCEAN!!

This is exactly why I don't like whale: it combines the worst aspects of meat and fish. It's like fishy, gamey beef.

Raw horse is delicious. Never had dog, but I'd try it.

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LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


politicorific posted:

Japan despite having large automakers doesn't appear to have declared war on public transportation like Korea.

Public transportation outside of Tokyo sucks for the most part.

I dunno, I liked the public transportation system in Korea, especially how cheap it was compared to Japan.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


Jeoh posted:

Is the rest really that bad? drat.

I went on a non-USO tour because my boyfriend doesn't really speak English so we went on a Japanese language tour. It was great, I had no complaints. There was an English language tour run by the same company at the JSA at the same time, and their tour guide's English was kinda lovely, but my tour guide spoke great English as well as Japanese, so it might be hit or miss. It was JoongAng Tour or something like that.

The USO tour was cheaper, though, so if it weren't for the language thing I would have done that.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


THE LUMMOX posted:

Unless you get a tour of the JSA Area including the blue conference room, it is a waste of your time and as far as I know the USO tour is the only one that does that.

The JSA is the coolest part of the tour by a factor of 100. I can't even express how disappointed I would be if I went on a "DMZ" tour that just went to that stupid tunnel (Which doesn't show you anything) and that stupid train station (which isn't even historical). Observation Point #3 and Dora Observatory were cool.

I went on a non-USO tour and we went to the JSA and the conference room. It's not just the USO that goes there.

Totally with you on the rest of the tour being lame though.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


Grand Fromage posted:

I don't know about Japan.

I've seen both in Japan, not really enough to generalize either way. I think people are much more likely to help out or intervene in cases of accident or injury than violence or fighting, but that seems pretty normal.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


Gilgamesh_Novem posted:

Seems like I am not the only Korean who gets asked Korean-Japan relations,Ask a Korean! wrote an entry as well.
I guess there is one thing that he and I both agree on - we do not blame the current Japanese generation for what their ancestors did. All we are asking is that they do not forget what has taken place.

There is a Japanese historian who wrote a book on how all comfort women were voluntarily recruited, not by the force or abduction or some sort of trickery.
There are assholes, idiots anywhere you go, and I consider that historian as a grade A 'very special in head' man.

It's unfortunate that that book got so much press, because there is actually quite a bit of honest, well-researched material written in Japanese about the comfort women, but not many people have read it, while most people have heard of that book. Many Japanese women were coerced or forced into becoming comfort women by the same methods as the Korean women, and a lot of the testimony about what happened to Korean women comes from them. It also comes up a lot in writings and interviews of former soldiers. One of my coworkers (I work in Japan) who read that book said that one of the author's premises was that eyewitness testimony is unreliable, so he based his research on hard copies of things like propaganda materials and recruitment posters (recruiting women to work in factories or as nurses.) He had to do it this way to get the outcome he wanted because witness testimony does not support him at all. You have to be a special kind of dishonest, degenerate dickhead to completely ignore even the words of your own countrymen about what they saw and experienced in order to better peddle your nationalist bullshit.

(Also, as a long-time lurker of this thread, I'm really enjoying your contributions!)

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


BrainDance posted:

Can someone help me out with some topics for a free talk class?

Ive done plenty before, but that was with boys. Thats easy, we can go on for hours about dragon ball or something, but this class is two 15 year old girls. Ive never been a 15 year old girl so... Im at a loss for interesting topics. I have no clue how to relate to teenage girls.

Theyre also very tired and grumpy by the time they have my class. I need to somehow get them to talk for an hour.

Things I would have enjoyed talking about at that age:
-my favorite bands
-how much my parents suck
-how much my teachers suck

That's about it, really, 15 year old girls are surly and boring. I feel like you could get a lot out of talking about bands or teachers they hate.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


The Bible posted:

That's got to be some kind of recruiter troll. I couldn't make up a worse contract.


We can only hope they find this thread. The meltdown from a job like that would be better than that chick who ran a 12 page rant through google translate, slammed it down on the principals desk, then stormed out, ignoring her phone and running off to Thailand.

Haha, that was great. I followed her blog for a while after that, when she was threatening to sue all these other bloggers who wrote poo poo about her. Then she wrote some kind of self-insert erotic novel and threatened to sue people who gave it bad reviews. You can't make up that kind of crazy!

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


I'm not going to link it because she's so into legal threats, but you can find it by googling What Would Eve Do? Recently she's just been talking about her books, but there's a goldmine in there. Although I think she may have deleted some of the more meltdowny posts.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


Cameron posted:

Guess she got called fat one too many times. She probably is fat, though.

Most likely, I mean everybody gets insensitive comments from time to time, but having your boss demand that you exercise at work probably doesn't happen often to people who are of average weight, as she claims to be.

Taken all together it's a glorious parable of asshattery. She spends post after post complaining about how she's better than all other foreigners in Korea, while simultaneously fulfilling every negative stereotype Koreans have of foreign teachers.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


The best part about that video is the guy in the tie talking like this is some serious academic subject. I can't read what his title says, so I'm just going to assume it's something like "Professor of Vapid Cuntology."

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


I never knew my blood type until the first time I donated blood in college. I'm pretty sure that even if you know your blood type, they'll still check before giving you a transfusion because people might misremember or they might be too out of it to remember or something.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


Grand Fromage posted:

I have been meaning to wander around that place. But that's because I live in the neighboring city. I guess if that's effective in Japan I clearly don't understand Japanese tourists. Shocking revelation.

Japanese tourists go to Seoul because it's cheaper to get to than many domestic destinations and because just about everything is cheaper in Korea. Sure there are plenty of places that are cheaper than Korea, but they're not as cheap or easy to get to. I live in southern Japan and it's cheaper for me to fly to Seoul than to Tokyo, because domestic fares are so ridiculously expensive. You can go to Seoul for a weekend, buy poo poo at department stores for half what it costs in Japan, eat some bulgogi and go home. It's not really tourism in the sense of going to another place to see and experience it, just an extended shopping trip.

The same thing happens with Guam, apparently; I hear the Kmart there is one of the top destinations for Japanese tourists.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


DontAskKant posted:

On my flight over I was sitting next to a couple who had just been there for a weekend of shopping. I thought it was crazy then and even after having it explained I still find it unbelievable.

It's hard to comprehend how stupidly expensive poo poo is in Japan. If you go to Korea and buy a lot of poo poo you can easily make up the cost of your plane ticket and hotel in the amount of money you'd save. Also much, much cheaper than most domestic travel if you just want to get away for a weekend.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


frozenpeas posted:

What kind of money do Japanese ESL teachers make? Is it actually possible to live a normal life and save in Japan?

Sure, but probably not as easy as it is in Korea. My impression is that pay is about the same, maybe a little more in Japan but not enough to compensate for the cost of living differences. You can have a nice life but it's hard to save much on an average English teacher salary. The JET program is a special case.

Of course Japanese people go to Korea to buy clothes and brand name poo poo, imported goods, etc, not the kind of stuff most ESL teachers would buy.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


THE LUMMOX posted:

http://www.koreabang.com/2012/stori...ad-husband.html

Yah it's sad but if you read between the lines it's even loving sadder.

1.) She was widowed in her 20s with a 4 month son and because of the stigma spent the rest of her life alone as basically an "untouchable"
2.) Her son, despite being educated and having a job in a bank, was never married (she definitely would have mentioned it). There's a good chance the reason is that he came from a "broken" home.

Jesus gently caress, the comments on that post. "I (a college-educated young person who has been taught the concept that symbols represent sounds from birth) learned to read Hangul in 20 minutes; why can't this elderly woman with no formal education do the same?"

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


nullscan posted:

And apparently one of the Korean or Chinese tour companies has a little tram that takes people down there, cutting most of the lovely hike out. Looking all smug as they sit there watching the fat military dependapodami lumbering up the 40 degree ramp back to the surface.

Haha, I wondered about that. I went on a Japanese language tour with a Korean tour company (my bf doesn't speak much English so we didn't do the USO tour) and we rode this creepy monorail thing down to the tunnel. When we got there I saw the big staircase and wondered why people would walk down instead of riding that thing, because I agree, it definitely wasn't worth it. For me the best part of it was the rickety monorail ride; the tunnel itself sucked.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


nullscan posted:



ONE OF US

I watched that video they linked with the sound off and it was kinda funny. I guess the "sound off" part is key.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


I don't get why Jinro is her secret stash. They sell it cheaply in the grocery store here in Japan and I always assumed it was like the Smirnoff of soju.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


GZA Genius posted:

My air canada (flying to SFO) flight back home seats only two on the wings. Should be a little more tolerable.

Air Canada is the only airline I've ever flown with worse service than American carriers. Their flight attendants are some seriously angry people.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


THE LUMMOX posted:

Kill them with kindness is what I always say. Please, thank you and a huge smile go a long way because they just get poo poo on all day by grumpy travellers. I managed to get several Heinekens on my last flight after the announcement was made that they only had Molson left

I should clarify that they've always been perfectly pleasant to me, but I've seen them go off on people when it was obvious that the person just couldn't understand them. I used to fly Osaka to Vancouver once a year or so and I saw flight attendants fly into a rage at people who clearly had no idea what they were saying. At least Delta and United on the same route usually have a handful of attendants who know enough rudimentary Japanese to take people's drink orders and tell them to sit down. Air Canada is also the only airline where I've ever seen a flight attendant seriously lose their poo poo and start screaming. Usually they just confine themselves to sarcasm.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


The Gay Bean posted:

Someone help me gain some perspective here.

For those of you who leave their apartment at least occasionally, I'm sure you know about this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0. This seems to be the target of my (adult) students' monthly "hay teacher i hear the hallyu (that means Korean wave) is coming to meegook have your mom and dad asked you about it yet"

That video clearly seems to be a parody of the shiny suit popped collar pudgy 40 year-old douchebags who walk around acting like they're gangsters and/or rich... kind of like the Korean version of Pretty Fly for a White Guy. Every time I mention this interpretation to a Korean they just say, "Nuh uh, it's just a bunch of people acting silly." Am I overanalyzing this or are they being a little oblivious?

Looks like parody to me, but the top rated comment is the following:

"Japan only has a different history in Asia

Jealousy, envy, self-esteem

Poor nations

It is the Japanese"

Is this comment pro- or anti-Japan? Looks like it could go either way. Maybe it's a meta-parody of the comments that are usually posted on Kpop videos.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


Grand Fromage posted:

The lack of English is just confusing. Tokyo must get more tourists than all of Korea.

Korean's not any easier than Japanese but I don't have to memorize 900 characters to read labels at the store, therefore hangul is the superior writing system. I tried to buy some Japanese stuff to bring back with me but there is no English or Korean labeling anywhere and I couldn't communicate with anyone. I imagine Japanese ingredients won't be too hard to track down in Korea though.

Why don't you join the Japan goons Line chat? You can post a picture of whatever you're looking at and some goon will help you.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


AmbientParadox posted:

What about Turkish kebab guys? Do they blanket your bar districts with delicious shawarmas?

Can we import these guys to Japan somehow? They only show up in my area at festivals a few times a year.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


ReindeerF posted:

Here's a question I can't ask without feeling stupid, but I've got to ask it because I can;t make up my mind and I lack the cultural understanding to figure it out. Is that Gangnam Style video supposed to be satirical? I know the Hongdae style one is a parody of it and I get that one to a degree (artsy neighborhood versus ritzy), but the original is still so ridiculous that it would have to be a parody. However, yesterday this guy and I were discussing it and I eventually decided that, "No, man, this is Asia and that's North Asia and you just can't predict whether something that looks completely absurd to a Westerner is actually 100% serious." My brain says parody, but my years in Asia of watching grown women walking around in business suits clutching Doraemon pillows in the office while wearing monster-toed slippers says otherwise.

So, there's my really stupid question.

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LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


Themata posted:

Thank you.


Well. Her funeral is tomorrow, and they're not letting me go. Like okay, if it was out of country or something, yeah, but just up to 서울, even for the day? Nope. You see, it's the start of the new semester, and we're oh so busy, and there aren't any teachers to cover your classes, please understand! That's pretty much what I was told. You know? So sorry, please try to understand.

Then on the way to the other school, my male director says that he's sorry I can't go to the funeral, so to eat this:



This... this is backhanding me, right? We're sorry we won't let you go to your grandmother's funeral, eat this thing, which you said might have melted some in the car as condolence?

This is a big gently caress you, right? Or am I not seeing the good in their hearts and just being culture shocked by my own culture. Because I'm pretty sure this gesture is about as genuine as them 'forgetting' I'm vegetarian and now I'm wondering if sticking around would piss them off more than my leaving early.

Granted I don't know anything about employment in Korea, but why don't you just go anyway? They'll manage for one day, and I'm sure you'll regret missing your grandmother's funeral more than pissing off a job that you plan to quit anyway.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


Cameron posted:

Holy poo poo in so many African countries there's a 10% chance every year that you will die in a crash if you get into a car. What the gently caress are they going so fast for around there?

I think in Africa part of the problem is not enough ambulances and emergency care, so people die when they might have survived if moved to a hospital fast enough. A friend of mine lived in Madagascar for a while, and said that accident victims were just left to die by the roadside sometimes, because there was nowhere to take them for treatment.

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LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008


I dunno, I went to Korea with my Japanese boyfriend and we ran into more people who could speak Japanese to him than could speak English to me. Or I'd be talking to someone in English and they'd hear me translate into Japanese for him and switch to that. If you're striking out really badly with English it might be worth a shot, especially if you're in touristy places.

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