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Dodoman posted:For all the flak android tablets get, their market share has increased 10% since last year. Mostly due to the kindle fire I guess. What Android tablets were there in Q4 '10? OG Galaxy Tab? Is that it? I'm really confused how there'd been 3.1 million sold by then.
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Endless Mike posted:The Nook Color was out then, too. And probably a million terrible DealExtreme tablets running 1.5. Ah, I thought the Nook Color was out early 2011. WithoutTheFezOn posted:3.1 million shipped. That helps too. My mistake, I should have known (and read!) it would be shipped. Ciabatta fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jan 28, 2012 |
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golgo13sf posted:Here's what I mean, and I'm not trying to be caustic about it. If the base iPad3 is $100 over your budget (admittedly a guess) what is your time worth if you buy a tablet in your budget that takes you 4 hours to make usable? Every non-iPad tablet is not a Nook Color or HP Touchpad that needs to get hours of time put in to be fully functional. Even those are a one-time hit of maybe 30 minutes or an hour to get a super cheap, mostly full-featured tablet. For a more "real" tablet, I'm not sure why you think it takes four hours to open a box and turn the thing on. I think you're ridiculously overestimating the hassle this involves. Edit: Oh I see, gotta make your math work. If it costs $100 less and only takes an hour longer to setup, better buy the cheaper one if your time is worth only $50/hr. Quality control issues are another story and I don't think anyone would argue with your point there. Spending slightly less on something with a much greater chance of hardware issues isn't usually a good plan. Ciabatta fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jan 28, 2012 |
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golgo13sf posted:I may be overestimating the time, but in all seriousness, how much time should be invested into wading through the very first page on XDA. I'm including that time in my estimate. As much or as little time as you want. If you need the latest 3nd of Days theme and butter kernel, have at it. Is there a requirement to flash custom poo poo on a Galaxy Tab or Xoom or whatever for it to work? Honest question, are there show stopping bugs on the $400-500 Honeycomb tabs still? I totally agree about buying stuff that requires wading through xda to make it functional, but that stuff is usually cheaper (like the Nook Color) so there's a trade off or has laughable quality control (like the Prime) that I agree should be a big mark against it. Otherwise, saying you have to read xda sounds like saying you have to jailbreak your iPad. Edit: Goddamn was I slow and beaten.
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Jan 28, 2012 19:17
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Codiusprime posted:Christ, seems like every time I drop in on this thread there is an iPad circle jerk going on. Why can't they stay in their own thread again? I can't remember. The thread title doesn't say non-iPad anymore, it's too tough to remember what the thread isn't about now.  about how hard Apple rules (not even the iPad, mind you, but Apple in general) sure is fun to read in the Android tablet thread.
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Jan 28, 2012 21:49
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:All of these things add so much to the actual brand and help the millions of people that AREN'T us who don't read/care about the latest nightly that will fix your keyboard lag but break everything else. You are arguing against things that the vast majority of people with Android tablets don't need to worry about. You have to worry about the latest nightly build for your Xoom or Galaxy Tab as much as you have to jailbreak an iPad to get any use out of it. If you want to buy a $130 e-reader and make it an Android tablet, then yes, you need to read a thread and update your CM build every once in awhile. If you want to buy a $400-500 tablet that is meant to be a tablet, you don't have to root or flash custom poo poo on it. See, just like an iPad, they just work, you should like that! If you'd like to talk about lovely quality control and the Transformer Prime, that is a valid complaint. Saying you have to spend hours reading XDA before you can use any shiny new Android tablet is stupid.
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Any Apple product can be bought from any other store and then brought to an Apple store for repairs or help. You can literally pick the Specialists brain, get his non-commissioned advice, buy it from Best Buy, but then if you have a problem you can go to Apple. Also AppleCare comes with everything automatically regardless of where you buy it. Thanks for your great comments on Apple's customer support! I found a nice thread that is an even better place to talk about Apple's fantastic support for the iPad, it'd be great if you'd answer our questions about Applecare there. Thanks bud 
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FunOne posted:What is the recommended PDF reader for the tablet? The official Adobe one closes and restarts PDFs on the first page when I task switch which is just loving stupid. I've used ezPDF and Repligo Reader, since annotation is necessary for me. I prefer ezPDF, although it can be slow to render a file initially. Repligo was good enough, too, but was a little jerkier and had less annotation options. I've also used Quick Office when I didn't need to edit and it seemed to do the job. I haven't had an issue with losing my place after switching tasks with any of those.
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My Linux Rig posted:If anyone really considers following a set of instructions to root/flash poo poo a hobby, then that is just down right sad. Trolling threads about electronics, on the other hand
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If you read things with color, e-ink isn't going to cut it. If you already buy something like a Nook Color for reading and want a little extra functionality, like the full Android market, then you can root it and flash CM7. Instead of springing for a more expensive tablet, you can get one that's a good reader and mod it into a mediocre (but good for the price) tablet.
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El Duke posted:like children's books or some textbooks? I guess, though I don't think textbooks in digital form are viable yet (until iBooks 2 gets in full swing, I guess), and don't you lose the enhanced children's books on the Nook when you root? Me personally, research articles, things with diagrams and full color pictures. It sounds like many people in this thread want a tablet for comics. While 7" doesn't sound great for that, it may not be worth it to someone to spend $300+ on a real tablet to get a glorified binder of comics. I didn't think I would use a tablet much, but got sick of printing dozens of pages of science articles a week to read once and file away. Nook Color for $150 was perfect, I rooted it primarily to get the full market, and ended up using it enough to justify getting another tablet (a Touchpad  ). It also got me to transition to ebooks entirely. I'm not bothered by reading on a low brightness screen and the convenience of ebooks is nice.
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Mister Snips posted:Yo, maybe the people who buy ipads legitimately don't care about any of that? Right, and maybe people who buy non-ipads legitimately do care about some of that. If we all put our fanboyism aside, maybe people buy things that fit their needs and budget, whether that's an iPad or a Transformer. So maybe it's ok if we actually talk about Android tabs in the Android tablet thread instead of constantly having to justify the existence of anything besides the iPad.
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This is such a weird loving argument. "I use feature X and want something that has that feature." "No, there's no use for feature X." Edit: Goddammit codius. Anyways, so absurd. I don't care at all about Flash, but stop acting like nobody uses it when someone posted on this page that they use it. I also have no use for GPS in a tablet, but I don't argue that it's a positive that the Transformer Prime's GPS is hosed up. vvvvvvvv Ok, fair enough. Focusing on Flash as a positive or negative seems pretty useless to me, but it always gets into this argument. Ciabatta fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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Excellent posts about ANDROID TABLETS in the last 5 pages:Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:It's just weird. Apple, with the iPod, finally "got right" a lot of what was wrong with the fragmented and Engrish market of MP3 players and made it accessible and easy to use. They then continued on with the iPhone and iPad - they didn't coin just a catchphrase, but literally proved that their stuff Just Works. eric posted:
Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:When you buy any product from Apple, you also get a free personal setup where they'll open the box with you in store, give you a tour, then do things like set up your email and set you up with an app store account so when you leave the device is personalized for you. Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Any Apple product can be bought from any other store and then brought to an Apple store for repairs or help. You can literally pick the Specialists brain, get his non-commissioned advice, buy it from Best Buy, but then if you have a problem you can go to Apple. Also AppleCare comes with everything automatically regardless of where you buy it. Toady posted:For some people, gaining a sensation of mastery over computers substitutes for the feeling of control missing in their lives. Four hours configuring a smartphone OS is considered time well-spent. Any attempt to reduce the need for "tinkering" is a direct threat to the ego and breeds resentment, especially if the attempt is popular among the same kinds of mainstream users who made them feel alienated in the first place: "You can't tell ME what to do, Steve Jobs! *huff*" Toady posted:Android's demographic is split between budget buyers and these "freaks". I was explaining to Dr. Video Games why someone like this wouldn't want a tablet to work out of the box or feel magical. got dat wmd posted:Actually if you think about it, Android rooting is more akin to gluing gears to a car/bike to make it steampunk. Kynetx posted:I would like you to describe to me a plane of reality where it's possible to live a normal life without acknowledging the existence of iOS. Great, no trolling, no shitposting, no off topic posting. I don't see at all why anyone would be annoyed by the threadshitting up in here. Just wanted to get that all nice and collected in one place, maybe we can get it added to the OP.
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IT Guy posted:Remember the $99 HP tablet? Yup, it's in decent shape right now.
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As embarrassing as Asus has been, it sounds like if you don't care about GPS and have some luck (no craters in the case, no light bleeding), the actual unit you get can be good. Ringing endorsement, I know. There doesn't seem to be a consensus in here so far as to whether wifi is bad enough to be an issue. Edit: Haha, I checked the link. REEEEAALLLY? Official support thread on xda? Sounds like the wifi issues are more serious than I thought. If you have a no-questions-asked return window, you should really test the thing thoroughly before deciding to keep it. Hit up all the cheap motels near you! Ciabatta fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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hotsauce posted:Yes with a Q2 rumor for release. I guess if my new TF201 that just arrived had working wifi and no dead pixels I would keep it. Sadly it seems to be defective like many others. This is sad to hear. How bad is the wifi for you, like sitting-next-to-the-router-disconnecting bad?
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McLarenF1 posted:I guess I'm lucky, but I've had no problems with my Prime, Wifi or otherwise. You may want to consider opening it and checking it out before you return it. Yeah, I can live with most of the problems reported so far, but obviously shoddy wifi on a wifi tablet isn't going to cut it. I wouldn't get one any time soon anyways, more just trying to get a feel for whether it'll be worth picking up a used one in a few months if I see a deal. Thanks for being an early adopter and recommending/warning the rest of us
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El Duke posted:this is an awful idea. And yet better than any other tablet+data plan. Don't get a tablet+data plan. Do carriers in the U.S. let you switch new hardware onto a tablet data plan? They don't, do they?
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El Duke posted:if you were in the middle of a contract, you could switch another device onto that line, but you'd have to change the plan to suit whatever type of device it was (smartphone, dumbphone, datacard, etc). This is only some carriers, VZW at least. Others may operate differently than that. Ah, alright. Good to know. I read somewhere that wasn't the case, which would make them that much worse. Committing to keeping a 7" Galaxy Tab running 2.3 for two years 
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eric posted:The Prime was a total amateur hour rush job zimbomonkey posted:if anything the prime is proof that an android tablet can be as powerful and satisfyingly easy to use as an iPad Both of these statements can be true! There are way too many build issues and too many Primes with problems, but it also sounds like the tablet is really nice if you luck out and don't have some of the typical issues. We know the GPS is retarded, it's ok if you guys don't mention it every other post. That reflects really poorly on Asus, but it doesn't mean the rest of the Prime sucks. That's what all the other issues are for.
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El Duke posted:I can post ill informed comments based on either out dated information or gross exaggeration too: Both, that's ~*~freedom~*~ (something you wouldn't know anything about)
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:I think a possible solution would be for developers to pay a small amount of money for Google to evaluate their application and then it could get some kind of mark of approval if it meets whatever requirements, but I can't see that happening. How do developers get the Editor's Choice tags? It seems like their easily could be some incentives like that to encourage all kinds of good practices, including things like actual good tablet apps.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:SA-Mart.  They're pretty solid at this point. CM9 is up and working smoothly except for video hardware acceleration (no Netflix, no Youtube HD) and the FFC. Last I heard, dalingrin is optimistic about those I think? Edit: Oh, and posting in the Rooted Android thread, because CM9 on a Touchpad isn't an Android tablet.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:I mean it was supposed to be a joke, but really guys it's not that funny. To be fair, if you bought one for $100-150 and can sell it used months later for $200-250, many people will do so. Even if you do like and want a tablet, it's a good way to subsidize the price of a Transformer Prime or iPad if you're a poor.
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Codiusprime posted:Seriously, when Asus realized there was an obvious design flaw they should have offered unconditional refunds to everyone who bought one at least. They did in the UK at least, but I haven't seen anything for anywhere else. Even better, it was refund or extended warranty, so if you were ok with no GPS you could still benefit from their incompetence.
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eric posted:Here's all the research you need: Really low effort, pretty embarrassing honestly.
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Duckman2008 posted:Can we just agree that buying the prime is a crapshoot? it has great hardware with some bugs, so it's a possibly great tablet but buy one at your own risk, and just shut the gently caress up about it? Seriously, everyone keeps saying the same poo poo over and over. But... heh... the GPS... they removed it from the specs... heh (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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fondue posted:Great idea! Where can I buy the iPad 3? While this is true, and buying an iPad 2 right now would also be dumb given the likelihood of a price cut, it's also true that a lot of people currently with tablets will probably be looking to offload theirs and get an iPad 3. Even if you want to stick with Android, it is probably worthwhile to wait a month if you can and get a good deal when a glut of used tablets (both iPads and Android) go for sale.
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If you do have to get a tablet right now, the original Transformer 16gb is $299 at circuitcity.com. Might be a decent bet for chocolateTHUNDER for a
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In any case, if you're looking at the Galaxy Tab 7.0+ in particular, it is also probably worth waiting a little bit to see how the U.S. Galaxy Tab 7.7 fares. It looks like it outclasses the 7.0+ in many ways, but will also cost (quite?) a bit more and may not come out as a wifi model right away. You can hope that the release of a bunch of Tegra 3 tablets and the new iPad will cause a price drop once the 7.7 finally gets here.
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Frozen-Solid posted:How about we stop fighting over the Prime for a few posts, and discuss how much more awesome Chrome Beta is than any other portable browser? I actually haven't found much reason to use Chrome instead of the stock Ice Cream Sandwich Browser. Have you noticed much better performance or anything?
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steak ox posted:It's sharp and clear to you? It's actually a lot harder on the eyes than the old font to me. I really hated it after updating my Transformer to ICS, but I'm slowly getting used to it, although I really wish there was a way to switch back. I guess this all boils down to personal preferences. I haven't tried on a Transformer specifically, but if you're rooted you can use an app called Rom Toolbox to change the font (and other things, too). There are almost certainly other apps that do the same if that one doesn't work.
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Codiusprime posted:I really hope Samsung isn't banking on the lackluster tablets they've shown so far this year competing with the iPad on any level. I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of people itching to get their paws on a thicker heavier version of the original Galaxy Tab 10.1....wait. But... but it comes with a stylus. Serious question, what are the differences between the Tab 10.1, Tab 2 10.1, and Note 10.1? Writing/using the stylus on the Note is better, right? Is that software or actually different screen? Anything else? Was the Tab 2 10.1 getting expandable storage?
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Duckman2008 posted:Google should have just waited, skipped Honeycomb and released ICS. ICS isn't perfect, but its just drastically better. I'm embarrassed on any previous posts where I defended Honeycomb. On the other hand, they couldn't really sit on the sidelines for all of 2011. They've still managed to sell at least a few million Honeycomb tablets, which pales in comparison to iPad but is still more than zero. If Google hadn't put out Honeycomb, do you think there'd even be that many Android tablets, running Gingerbread? I do think it was important to get some sort of foothold. Windows 8 will have an even worse problem of being late to the party, but it's Windows and should have more traction. If "real" Android tablets were only now starting to come out, they'd be competing against 60 million iPads rather than the 10 million or whatever were sold through 2010. They really needed to carve out a little chunk of that expanding market early.
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ThermoPhysical posted:So the only XOOM officially supported by Google is the wifi version because of the whole CDMA thing? If it's anything like the "whole CDMA thing" with the LTE Nexus, then it is a bunch of whining about nothing. Or, you know, evidence of our beaten down Android psyches 
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