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Zephonith
Jun 25, 2008

Maybe if I actually played Mafia, I'd get a better gift from my Mafia Secret Santa.


Trouble Man posted:

Acknowledging other ethnicities is like communism, you know.
But it's okay if I do martial arts. Or something.

edit: Slightly less of a non sequitur, and to balance the horribleness that is that story, Stuff's blogger has done quite a good eulogy post to Margaret Mahy. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/b...m-Margaret-Mahy

Zephonith fucked around with this message at Jul 24, 2012 around 11:15

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hairypanis
Jan 26, 2011



Trouble Man posted:

Hello yes welcome to how the New Zealand government works no matter which team is in charge and which Minister.

But here's something we can all get behind: hating these sacks of racist poo poo!

http://www.3news.co.nz/Fighting-for...39/Default.aspx

Fun game: how long can you get into this story before the waves of at being a New Zealander crush your soul?

"Maaaaaoooreeees".

There is no big enough.

Torka
Jan 5, 2008



Trouble Man posted:

http://www.3news.co.nz/Fighting-for...39/Default.aspx

Fun game: how long can you get into this story before the waves of at being a New Zealander crush your soul?

Time to become transethnic.

Wibbleman
Apr 19, 2006

Fluffy doesn't want to be sacrificed



I just love how they went "I'm not racist, I have a Maori friend", and I was thinking 'probably not anymore'.

Also what a fantastic white trash name "Latika".

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004


BARONS DEF CHARGER posted:

Key doesn't care.

He doesn't give a poo poo about this country or anyone in it.

He does care, for example if the shares aren't undervalued on the initial float then there is some risk that he could lose some money on his buy-in. If however he is able to twist the rules to ensure the tax-payers prop up his investment then he won't lose.

ledge
Jun 10, 2003
anal?

Trouble Man posted:

Fun game: how long can you get into this story before the waves of at being a New Zealander crush your soul?

Not far.

"We don't understand why our child should have to learn it when it's not in our everyday lifestyle"

Neither do I suspect, is reading, writing, maths or science, so perhaps she shouldn't learn those either you loving PIECES OF poo poo!

OLIVIAS WILDE RIDER
Jun 19, 2004

wow
so skull
rad
HAIL SATAN


ledge posted:

Not far.

"We don't understand why our child should have to learn it when it's not in our everyday lifestyle"

Neither do I suspect, is reading, writing, maths or science, so perhaps she shouldn't learn those either you loving PIECES OF poo poo!

Don't give them ideas.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004


ledge posted:

Not far.

"We don't understand why our child should have to learn it when it's not in our everyday lifestyle"

Neither do I suspect, is reading, writing, maths or science, so perhaps she shouldn't learn those either you loving PIECES OF poo poo!

I am sorry to say it but people already do complain about their children having to learn those.

Pararoid
Dec 6, 2005


Vagabundo posted:

I guess this is what happens when you give that turd power over a city with little actual oversight.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/...jectid=10821885

I just can't express to you how much harder having Brownlee in charge of this whole process has made things for Christchurch. If you're some kind of apologist for the government then fine, I'm glad they're doing right by you in Auckland or some rural setting but they are kicking the people of Christchurch when they are already down, again and again.

Why are there people sleeping in the sand dunes near the beach, or what about the guy who sleeps behind the old Hoyts 8/Science Alive building under a bush? Some of these people have nearly 200 ahead of them trying to get some temporary accommodation. Seriously, if you've been here in winter you'll know why this is loving outrageous.

My community put together a recovery plan, mainly just trying to work out with EQC and many engineers which areas of the neighborhood would be salvageable and what needed to be scraped, not zoning just minor stuff like roadside gardens and parks. Brownlee vetoed all our work, for what I can only assume are purely political reasons (there was no love lost between us on other more immediate issues too). This isn't the case in National voting neighborhoods; Brownlee is throwing his disgusting weight around and pretty much making areas that don't vote for him suffer.

And don't even get me started on the underhand deals with insurance companies that allows them to delay payments for 5 years and beyond.

Sorry about the big rant, but this just isn't getting any coverage on the news, as I said almost a year ago the rest of New Zealand would sort of like to forget Christchurch because it hits so close to home, particularly if you live in Wellington, but the reality is we're getting screwed down here and most people would just as soon get on with their lives than take an interest in something that could affect them very directly in a country built on fault lines and volcanoes.

NZAmoeba
Feb 14, 2005

It turns out it's MAN!


Wibbleman posted:

I just love how they went "I'm not racist, I have a Maori friend", and I was thinking 'probably not anymore'.

Also what a fantastic white trash name "Latika".

Don't forget that he doesn't want her to learn Marry because it's not a part of their culture, but he's learned martial arts. That culture-thieving bastard.

Lemonus
Apr 25, 2005

Return dignity to the art of loafing.


Pararoid posted:

I just can't express to you how much harder having Brownlee in charge of this whole process has made things for Christchurch. If you're some kind of apologist for the government then fine, I'm glad they're doing right by you in Auckland or some rural setting but they are kicking the people of Christchurch when they are already down, again and again.

Why are there people sleeping in the sand dunes near the beach, or what about the guy who sleeps behind the old Hoyts 8/Science Alive building under a bush? Some of these people have nearly 200 ahead of them trying to get some temporary accommodation. Seriously, if you've been here in winter you'll know why this is loving outrageous.

My community put together a recovery plan, mainly just trying to work out with EQC and many engineers which areas of the neighborhood would be salvageable and what needed to be scraped, not zoning just minor stuff like roadside gardens and parks. Brownlee vetoed all our work, for what I can only assume are purely political reasons (there was no love lost between us on other more immediate issues too). This isn't the case in National voting neighborhoods; Brownlee is throwing his disgusting weight around and pretty much making areas that don't vote for him suffer.

And don't even get me started on the underhand deals with insurance companies that allows them to delay payments for 5 years and beyond.

Sorry about the big rant, but this just isn't getting any coverage on the news, as I said almost a year ago the rest of New Zealand would sort of like to forget Christchurch because it hits so close to home, particularly if you live in Wellington, but the reality is we're getting screwed down here and most people would just as soon get on with their lives than take an interest in something that could affect them very directly in a country built on fault lines and volcanoes.

Much empathy man... I guess thats all I can really say.

I met up with a friend named Rob who said "Look. Its one thing to deal with damage, living conditions... its the palpable erosion of our democracy that really hurts" and I could just see how much he meant it.


Im going to have to be a little of a contrarian rear end in a top hat here and say as well though that I think part of New Zealand culture- the whole 'she'll be right' and thing against whinging has almost turned against Christchurch in terms of media coverage.

Exclamation Marx
Feb 18, 2012

☆ We communists are like ☆ seeds and the people are
the soil. Wherever we go, we must unite with the people, take root and blossom among them.



Wibbleman posted:

Also what a fantastic white trash name "Latika".

It's actually an Indian name, which makes their "not our culture " bullshit even funnier.

klen dool
May 7, 2007

GHOST MOTHER
SHE'S A GHOST AND A MOTHER


Pararoid posted:


And don't even get me started on the underhand deals with insurance companies that allows them to delay payments for 5 years and beyond.


I'd like to start you on this. Is there any specific examples of underhanded deals you could elaborate on?

Zephonith
Jun 25, 2008

Maybe if I actually played Mafia, I'd get a better gift from my Mafia Secret Santa.


Exclamation Marx posted:

It's actually an Indian name, which makes their "not our culture " bullshit even funnier.
They said she was 2 years old, right? Slumdog Millionaire came out in 2009, and had a main character called Latika. Which isn't their culture either...

Vagabundo
Mar 20, 2007

Pon farr is never logical, Mr. Spock

If you were wondering who the 15 lobbyists and other members of the public with Parliament security access cards are, wonder no more. Lockwood Smith's spilled the beans.


Nicholas Albrecht (Vector)

Tim Clarke (Russell McVeagh)

Peter Conway (Council of Trade Unions)

Daniel Fielding (Minter Ellison Rudd Watts)

Charles Finny (Saunders Unsworth)

Helen Kelly (Council of Trade Unions)

Tony O'Brien (Sky TV)

Phil O'Reilly (Business NZ)

Leigh Pearson (L.A. Pearson)

Barrie Saunders (Saunders Unsworth)

Mark Unsworth (Saunders Unsworth)

Jordan Williams (Franks & Ogilvie)

Pastor Rasik Ranchord (Parliamentary Breakfast Group)

Philippa Falloon (Former MP's spouse)

Lady Jane Kidd (Former MP's spouse)


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/...jectid=10822271

Lemonus
Apr 25, 2005

Return dignity to the art of loafing.


I guess the only one that jumps out at me as blech is the Saunders Unsworth. http://www.sul.co.nz/page/home.aspx


They are, in their core design, New Zealands attempt at being like America in terms of professional lobbyists.

Lemonus
Apr 25, 2005

Return dignity to the art of loafing.


Well everybody, Same Sex Marriage is now coming to New Zealand Parliament for debate. Louisa Wall's members bill has been drawn. I expect this will be a huge talking point/media coverage issue and it will be interesting to watch how NZ reacts now in 2012.

truther
Oct 22, 2008


No clue about Lockwood Smith's reveal but am glad to see Gay Marriage coming up for debate. I'll be very surprised if it doesn't pass.

Pararoid
Dec 6, 2005


klen dool posted:

I'd like to start you on this. Is there any specific examples of underhanded deals you could elaborate on?

The example is that the govt. is fine with people waiting up to 5 years (!!!) to get insurance payouts. I mean, why does any kiwi buy insurance? Earthquakes have got to be one of the very top reasons.

There are businesses that I know of that have full income replacement insurance that are yet to see a cent, and got forbid you were part of a church based insurance scheme like one family I know, they'll be lucky to ever get a cent at this rate due to all the damage to churches. There are still people with no payout from the September 2010 quake, there are still people from that quake who don't know the fate of their house!

I would expect the govt. to step in and say enough is enough and if people had up to date policies when the quake hit they need to get paid now. But then that would upset some of National's buddies, so they let it slide and businesses go under every day and people sleep on the sand dunes.

Next time you look at your insurance premiums, think about this just for a second.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004


I remember during the last election campaign and Goff was talking about the government stepping in directly to either force the companies to honour their policies and even setting up an insurer who would take on new cover in the Canterbury region because the market was obviously failing and needed to be corrected. Key waved it off with claims of socialism destroying the private market and that no private insurance company would continue to operate in NZ if we did that.
I guess in the same way Kiwibank has forced all of the other banks to close up shop in NZ.

klen dool
May 7, 2007

GHOST MOTHER
SHE'S A GHOST AND A MOTHER


Pararoid posted:

The example is that the govt. is fine with people waiting up to 5 years (!!!) to get insurance payouts.

Oh, so the "underhanded deals" you seem so certain happened are just made up fantasies then. Gotcha.

Pararoid posted:

I mean, why does any kiwi buy insurance? Earthquakes have got to be one of the very top reasons.

Probably not in chch before the first one - house fires and burgs are probably bigger reasons.

Pararoid posted:

There are businesses that I know of that have full income replacement insurance that are yet to see a cent, and got forbid you were part of a church based insurance scheme like one family I know, they'll be lucky to ever get a cent at this rate due to all the damage to churches. There are still people with no payout from the September 2010 quake, there are still people from that quake who don't know the fate of their house!

I would expect the govt. to step in and say enough is enough and if people had up to date policies when the quake hit they need to get paid now. But then that would upset some of National's buddies, so they let it slide and businesses go under every day and people sleep on the sand dunes.

Next time you look at your insurance premiums, think about this just for a second.

You seem to know a lot about this whole insurance thingy, and the motivations of nationals buddies who all own insurance companies, and why they don't want to pay out in a "timely" fashion. So, why don't they? Who are these rich kiwis who are stalling on payouts, and why would they stall?

Law
Apr 10, 2007
Incest fan.

I'm shocked by the number of people in my life who were unaware that gay marriage/adoption isn't legal in New Zealand up until the past couple of weeks. Is anyone else getting this?

Midget Fist
Apr 30, 2007


I thought civil unions were the same thing, and just assumed it was legal. Is it not?
I knew adoption was maybe a different story, but adoption seems pretty hard no matter who you are (not that that makes it ok).

mirthdefect
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

Is anyone watching the Opening Ceremony on Prime?

I got fed up with all the bullshit ads (an hour in, we were about 15 minutes behind live) and I'm now streaming it directly.

Pararoid
Dec 6, 2005


klen dool posted:

Oh, so the "underhanded deals" you seem so certain happened are just made up fantasies then. Gotcha.

Whatever. I honestly hope a 5 year payout delay never happens to you because I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Your question about why an insurance company would delay a payout would be covered in high school economics, I don't really have the time to break it all down if it's not obvious sorry.

Pararoid fucked around with this message at Jul 28, 2012 around 02:41

dusty
Nov 30, 2004
STUPID SHITHEAD. REAL FUCKIN' DUMB, MAN.


mirthdefect posted:

Is anyone watching the Opening Ceremony on Prime?

I got fed up with all the bullshit ads (an hour in, we were about 15 minutes behind live) and I'm now streaming it directly.

I watched Prime's coverage delayed via PVR - they really aren't used to covering this sort of event and for most of it had the commentator's volume level set so low it was pretty much a direct feed with no awful yapping. A++ will continue to tune in.

klen dool
May 7, 2007

GHOST MOTHER
SHE'S A GHOST AND A MOTHER


Pararoid posted:

Whatever. I honestly hope a 5 year payout delay never happens to you because I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Me neither, but there is no point blaming the insurance company for the delay. Its not like they are on purpose delaying payouts, and despite your claims you have no proof that they are.

Pararoid posted:

Your question about why an insurance company would delay a payout would be covered in high school economics, I don't really have the time to break it all down if it's not obvious sorry.

No it wouldn't. You fail to understand how insurance works. They aren't paying out because they don't have the money with which to pay out, and they have to wait until they have the money (or their re-insurer has the money to give them) until they can give you the money.

EDIT: I also fail to understand how insurance works. The money being available isn't rally an issue. Settling claims is a hard job, and especially in a disaster there are lots of things you need to wait for such as rezoning and damage assessment and working out how much needs to be paid and where the building will actually take place if the land can't be built on all, and about 7000 other things that need to happen. Then, the building has to be done, which takes time. All of these activities can't happen all at once, there are only so many people to do them. There is no conspiracy here, and 5 years to get it all done isn't that bad a time frame.

klen dool fucked around with this message at Jul 28, 2012 around 03:47

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008


My Facebook is all a rage with conservative party fanboys gettin' internet mad about gay marriage. Some are equating it to paedophilia. It's so horrible. I hope there is a march against gay marriage so I can get in on the counter-march.

Trouble Man
Jan 2, 2007

I love to watch dog sex.


Given the way New Zealand businesses tend to be run, I think simple incompetence is a much better hypothesis than moustache-twirling villainy for almost anything that happens in New Zealand that relates to business.

OLIVIAS WILDE RIDER
Jun 19, 2004

wow
so skull
rad
HAIL SATAN


Lampsacus posted:

My Facebook is all a rage with conservative party fanboys gettin' internet mad about gay marriage. Some are equating it to paedophilia. It's so horrible. I hope there is a march against gay marriage so I can get in on the counter-march.

I hope you've unfriended all of them because loving hell, those people are just awful scumbags.

In international gay news, the chik-a-fil PR manager died of a heart attack. I guess god hates people who hate gays, eh?

ClubmanGT
Nov 3, 2005

The Lion King


Today in bizzarro politics world news, David Farrar calls out Colin Craig for his comments that homosexuality is a choice and most people who are gay are only gay because they were abused as children.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/07/c...hild_abuse.html

Drake Bate
Nov 2, 2011


ClubmanGT posted:

Today in bizzarro politics world news, David Farrar calls out Colin Craig for his comments that homosexuality is a choice and most people who are gay are only gay because they were abused as children.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/07/c...hild_abuse.html



So close and yet so far.

ClubmanGT
Nov 3, 2005

The Lion King


Drake Bate posted:



So close and yet so far.

Craig is something else. His main point isn't even something moderately not-hate-fuelled like 'marriage = man + woman' like a lot of other people who are against gay marriage say - he jumps right into the deep end and goes for 'loving faggots'. The problem isn't so much the thing that they want, but that they exist in the first place.

I think it's possible that Kyle Chapman may be a progressive thinker in this department than Colin Craig. God save us all.

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

MURALI


The comments...

roarshark
Apr 7, 2002
i got killed by black bugs on my video game

Pararoid posted:

Your question about why an insurance company would delay a payout would be covered in high school economics, I don't really have the time to break it all down if it's not obvious sorry.

High school economics definitely covers disasters of a breadth and scope of the Christchurch earthquakes and how to deal with them in a timely, efficient manner. We should have recent high school graduates who scored well in economics exams and their teachers to oversee the entire thing. They've covered it all, and the entire situation is not complicated at all.

Felix_Cat
Sep 15, 2008



some loving nutter posted:

Every time I see those gay cousins of mine in family gatherings I told them, that if our uncle delivered them the stick they wouldn’t have been turned gay today. Anyway, they don’t believe that would have made any difference to them in their sexuality

I'm sorry, that one was just too good not to post. Must be some fun family gatherings!

OLIVIAS WILDE RIDER
Jun 19, 2004

wow
so skull
rad
HAIL SATAN


If only he had beaten his children they wouldn't have chosen to be gay after... Being abused... As children...


right winger logic hurts my loving head.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008


Have you read Ian Wisharts book Eve's Bite? There is a clear correlation between Homosexuality and Peadophilia. I am not saying that all gays are Peadophiles far from it but there is a clear link. Just is there is a link with abused boys becoming gay. There is also a Radical Gay agenda out there to eventually lower the age of consent and legalise sex with underage children. Not openly spoken about but in existence non the less.

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BTW, the above isn't my words but a friend of a friend on FB. It just makes me sad, is all.

Wibbleman
Apr 19, 2006

Fluffy doesn't want to be sacrificed



Lampsacus posted:

Have you read Ian Wisharts book Eve's Bite? There is a clear correlation between Homosexuality and Peadophilia. I am not saying that all gays are Peadophiles far from it but there is a clear link. Just is there is a link with abused boys becoming gay. There is also a Radical Gay agenda out there to eventually lower the age of consent and legalise sex with underage children. Not openly spoken about but in existence non the less.

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BTW, the above isn't my words but a friend of a friend on FB. It just makes me sad, is all.

Wouldn't that just be a Pedophile agenda?

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Angry Moo Cow
Jun 15, 2009



never read kiwiblog comments unless you need a laugh and in that case only read 5 otherwise you will start to realise how crappy this country is.



having said that, Kiwiblog commenters are a bunch of about 100 or so armchair/keyboard "warriors" and a few ex/current politicians that are read and reported by a few lazy journalists so it really isn't that bad.

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