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pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Hey cool, a sumo thread. Been thinking of starting one for years, but never got around to it. Awesome!

Fryhtaning posted:

Actually, I thought even the juryo wrestlers make the equivalent of 6 figures in the US. The salaries look low.. until you realize that they're monthly salaries. Hakuho makes around $400k a year, plus a buttload of prize money (kensho). So, they're not living in the same kind of luxury as world-famous athletes, but it's upper-class level. Below juryo, there isn't even a monthly salary, so you literally never have a reason to not try and win every single match you can so that you can break into juryo.

Another significant source of income for many wrestlers is Mochikyukin, which is a bonus on top of monthly salary, kensho from the matches, and tournament victory money. Every time a wrestler does something noteworthy, such as win a tournament, win a special award, win over yokozuna as maegashira, even get a positive score in a tournament, the bi-monthly bonus increases. If, say, a maegashira ranked wrestler beats the yokozuna, then for each time he manages to do that, he will be receiving an extra ~$24,000 a year until he retires.

All in all, with all the salaries, bonuses and kensho together, I believe the ozeki are almost certainly reaching seven dollar figures a year, while the yokozuna would be receiving a couple.

Of course, this is offset by the fact that the lowest ranked wrestlers get dick and live under boot camp conditions, in literal slavery, until they get better and can reach upper divisions.

pigdog fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Feb 7, 2012

# ¿ Feb 7, 2012 01:01

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 23:49

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Protocol 5 posted:

Is Takamisakari still around? I loved that guy's pre-bout routine.

He's in juryo for now.

# ¿ Feb 8, 2012 09:03

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

I'm actually surprised noone's linked THE REAL SUMO FIGHTING videos yet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxqYGNvgaQc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73f0_izSNHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5LF8dwd-8

# ¿ Feb 8, 2012 22:57

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

And here we go with Haru-Basho day 1! Good thing some kind soul has taken the time to compress all top-division matches of the day into 7 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe0_WCIeuw

# ¿ Mar 11, 2012 15:23

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Day 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeYvllKgs70

Also, Baruto was pretty much just trolling today. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiKq6KYoEus

# ¿ Mar 12, 2012 11:08

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Going for legs wouldn't accomplish anything since legs are below the centre of gravity, and they'd get slapped down easily. It's not illegal to grab a leg, but it rarely happens and only in clutch moves near the edge of the ring.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2012 21:31

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Day 3 is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2djLUtQFBc

By the way, for people just randomly browsing the thread, a good way to enjoy the sport is pick any wrestler from the table (banzuke) posted earlier on this page, and cheer for his victory. Or make bets on win/loss with a roommate. Drinking games also work.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2012 14:56

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Day 7 is up

Yoshikaze - Kotooshu match was weird. Yosh lightly slapped Kotooshu's rear end, which made him jump out of the ring. :wtf:

Kakuryu should be ozeki instead of the two token Japanese "K"-s.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2012 11:09

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

It is a contact sport; the point is to watch the two guys wrestle, not watch them jump away from eachother.

It's perfectly acceptable to slap down someone who's charging in too low and reckless, but the unwritten rule is that they would need to bump into eachother and make frontal contact first, even if briefly.

edit: for example this is fine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJyljCwciU

pigdog fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Mar 18, 2012

# ¿ Mar 17, 2012 23:57

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Nice job by Aminishiki, too.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2012 17:32

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

He's now in the league of people who know how to deal with someone who weighs 200 kgs.

AFAIK komusubi is also the worst position to be in with regards to getting a positive score, because you'll be facing ozeki and yokozuna early in the tournament, which means you'll likely rack up a lot of losses early, which ruins morale.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2012 19:32

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

For the record, here are the kensho standings so far. Kensho are bonus envelopes of cash that sponsors specifically grant to the winner of a specific match, in return for parading banners with their advertisements around the ring while the wrestlers psych up.

After the match is over, the envelopes are then presented to the winner of the match by the referee on his fan, and the winner performs a peculiar hacking motion over the envelopes with the blade of his hand, before accepting them.

code:

As of Day 7
		Kensho	Yen
Hakuho		167	9,185,000
Baruto		55	3,025,000
Kotoshogiku	48	2,640,000
Kakuryu		39	2,145,000
Kisenosato	33	1,815,000
Kotooshu	23	1,265,000
Toyonoshima	22	1,210,000
Ikioi		20	1,100,000
Goeido		19	1,045,000
Harumafuji	14	  770,000

For the reference, 1000 yen =~ $12

# ¿ Mar 19, 2012 20:23

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Day 10 is here!

Aran is a jerkbag who pulls at least three henka attempts every tournament.

Still 4 leaders in the tournament. This is gonna be fun.

pigdog fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Mar 20, 2012

# ¿ Mar 20, 2012 11:50

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Fryhtaning posted:

I may have imagined it, but did Hakuho give Aran a quick smack to the chest after he deposited him out of the ring? He looked a little pissed and cocky about that win. Trying to remember if there was some bad blood between them... but no, I believe it was Harumafuji who Aran henka'd, which caused Harumafuji to henka Hakuho? Couple tourneys ago, I think.

Not every hatakikomi is a henka, but most of them are, so any day that lame bitch Aran gets smacked is a good day.

# ¿ May 8, 2012 11:51

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

a false posted:

another great reason to miss asashoryu i don't care if some of his antics (fist-pumping etc) were against acceptable sumo decorum, being able to watch a rikishi (and a dominant one at that) with an actual personality was so fun. as much as i like a guy like baruto, i feel like that's something he seriously lacks (note his completely stoic reaction to a rikishi - i don't remember which one - flying off the dohyo and landing right next to him).

Rikishi are expected to stay :geno:

and dignified on the dohyo, indeed they get punished if they show too much emotion. It's not consider polite towards the loser I suppose, and itt's one of the defining characteristics of the sport. I remember Baruto beating Hakuho the first time in many tries.. he was all :geno:

on the ring like aint no thang, but as soon as he reached the tunnel to the shower rooms, you bet he was all :haw:

and hi-fiving his stablemates the rest of the way.

pigdog fucked around with this message at 16:47 on May 8, 2012

# ¿ May 8, 2012 16:44

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

If he moves like Robocop or C3PO with a slight case of Down's, then that's Takamisakari.

# ¿ May 10, 2012 10:38

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 23:49

pigdog: Apr 23, 2004; by Smythe

Look at the bright side, Baruto finally has a chance to earn a kinboshi (next basho).

# ¿ Sep 7, 2013 10:31

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