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Sylink
Apr 17, 2004


Are some of the flight models for the Hurricane hosed up or what?

Everytime I go into a spin in those fuckers I can't get out of it. No other planes do this.

This is mostly in some campaigns I found but it happens in the quick missions if I pick a hurricane as well.

Normally I can pull out of a spin by putting opposite rudder and evening out the ailerons (like you are supposed to ) then pulling up once I stop twirling.

But instead, I go into a sideways tight spin and just fall straight down ward.

The gently caress.

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MagnumHB
Jan 19, 2003


I got out of a pretty rough intentional spin in a Hurricane the other day just fine. Did you follow all of the PARE steps, or just the ones you mentioned: Power idle, Ailerons neutral, Rudder opposite spin, Elevator down. Of course, the Hurricane is pretty solid, so you probably shouldn't be spinning it in the first place.

LP97S
Apr 25, 2008


JerikTelorian posted:

Someone had a great quote in the last thread about gunnery. Apparently most US pilots admitted to being bad at gunnery, but their skill was in getting enemy craft into lousy situations. I am godawful at gunnery and my main goal is to get the enemy plane to fly through a stream of bullets.

Your shots will definitely be all over the place, but if you can catch the enemy in a bad spot, it'll all work out.

Some of the best aces were terrible/mediocre pilots and terrible/mediocre shots. One of the reasons so many Germans top this aces chart with anywhere from 100 to 352 kills is that they were on the East front with the Russians throwing everything and anything that flew at the Germans and the Germans were flying up to six sorties a day, being fueled by quick ground crews and lots of meth. I remember reading that Erich Hartmann, the top Ace of all time, simply flew his plane in from behind, waited until the enemy filled up the windscreen, then he fired all guns and cannons at once and got out.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

"When I see someone tilting my tables, I shoot the Bastard. That's my policy!"


LP97S posted:

Some of the best aces were terrible/mediocre pilots and terrible/mediocre shots. One of the reasons so many Germans top this aces chart with anywhere from 100 to 352 kills is that they were on the East front with the Russians throwing everything and anything that flew at the Germans and the Germans were flying up to six sorties a day, being fueled by quick ground crews and lots of meth. I remember reading that Erich Hartmann, the top Ace of all time, simply flew his plane in from behind, waited until the enemy filled up the windscreen, then he fired all guns and cannons at once and got out.

Hartmann often came back to his airfield with damage sustained from the aircraft he shot down flinging debris into his aircraft. If I remember, he never attacked unless he was sure his enemy was either unaware of his position or he had an advantage given his energy or position in relation to the enemy. He said that most of the aircraft he shot down didn't know he was there until it was too late (ie. rounds impacting against their airframe).

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Everything is bad.
Nothing is good.
I never work out


Blistex posted:

Hartmann often came back to his airfield with damage sustained from the aircraft he shot down flinging debris into his aircraft.

It's extra hazardous if you're using cannons: if you score a fuel tank hit, the force of the explosion is likely to set your own on fire as well. A Ki-84 mission earlier tonight had me celebrating, then cursing the terrible leaky fuel tanks on USN planes when one blew up right in front of me. I got the kill though!

If you're shooting 30mm you don't even need that, as the blast is really quite large, especially with the MK108.


e/ vv The hell are you talking about?

Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at Jan 25, 2012 around 23:20

Limp Wristed Limey
Sep 7, 2010

by Lowtax


LP97S posted:

simply flew his plane in from behind, waited until the enemy filled up the windscreen, then he fired all guns and cannons at once and got out.

Sounds like a hell of a pilot to me Wait why do we have a Belarus smilie but no German one?

SwissDonkey
Mar 29, 2007

Smoke a weed

http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/ Please put this in the OP. It's free 3D (6DOF) head tracking software that doesn't need an IR setup, just a webcam. It works incredibly well.

pixelbaron
Mar 18, 2009



Blistex posted:

Hartmann often came back to his airfield with damage sustained from the aircraft he shot down flinging debris into his aircraft. If I remember, he never attacked unless he was sure his enemy was either unaware of his position or he had an advantage given his energy or position in relation to the enemy. He said that most of the aircraft he shot down didn't know he was there until it was too late (ie. rounds impacting against their airframe).

Here is his final interview for those that might be interested. Yeah, I know the website is a flashback from the early 90's, just deal with it and read his story.

VanOwen
Oct 8, 2011

Any group that controls this many fonts and is bold enough to use all these exclamation marks must be incredibly powerful! And soon, in fact this Thursday in the cafetorium, I shall become their leader!

How painful is playing with Steam? I used to fly ME109s in BFE and kinda miss it. I know IL can use my trackIR and all that. Not sure if steam will cause nothing but tears.

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007



VanOwen posted:

How painful is playing with Steam? I used to fly ME109s in BFE and kinda miss it. I know IL can use my trackIR and all that. Not sure if steam will cause nothing but tears.

Steam is fine as IIRC it is just the game. If you export it out of the Steam folder Steam will never touch it. Don't leave it in the Steam folder if you patch though, as it will try and "fix" it when a new patch rolls out.

Pretty sure this is still the case.

Edit: Steam

Slappy Moose
Jan 23, 2010

THE FILTHY IMMIGRANT


VanOwen posted:

How painful is playing with Steam? I used to fly ME109s in BFE and kinda miss it. I know IL can use my trackIR and all that. Not sure if steam will cause nothing but tears.

I would also like to know this.

I'm considering just rebuying the game for Steam, since it's only 10 dollars.

Slappy Moose fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2012 around 00:49

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009


If you do that get it from GoG. Steam version is no longer updated, it hasnt recieved the last 3 (4?) patches.

VanOwen
Oct 8, 2011

Any group that controls this many fonts and is bold enough to use all these exclamation marks must be incredibly powerful! And soon, in fact this Thursday in the cafetorium, I shall become their leader!

Bondematt posted:

Steam is fine as IIRC it is just the game. If you export it out of the Steam folder Steam will never touch it. Don't leave it in the Steam folder if you patch though, as it will try and "fix" it when a new patch rolls out.

Pretty sure this is still the case.

Edit: Steam

Ahh... so copy the entire folder structure out and use that new dir?

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

"When I see someone tilting my tables, I shoot the Bastard. That's my policy!"


Slappy Moose posted:

Stuff

Edit your post, and just get the steam version or have a friend mail the CD/DVD to you.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER


I'm having trouble being impressed by Lowengrin's DCG. As a dive bomber, every mission it sends me on either 1) fails before I can get off the runway, or 2) sends me into enemy territory with no escort.

Is this normal? I don't want the DCG to generate suicide missions every single time.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

"When I see someone tilting my tables, I shoot the Bastard. That's my policy!"


Node posted:

I'm having trouble being impressed by Lowengrin's DCG. As a dive bomber, every mission it sends me on either 1) fails before I can get off the runway, or 2) sends me into enemy territory with no escort.

Is this normal? I don't want the DCG to generate suicide missions every single time.

I hope the SS/NKVD/USN/IJN strings you up for your cowardice! You're a disgrace to the Fatherland/Motherland/Republic/Empire!*

*not sure who you're playing as.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.


Node posted:

I'm having trouble being impressed by Lowengrin's DCG. As a dive bomber, every mission it sends me on either 1) fails before I can get off the runway, or 2) sends me into enemy territory with no escort.

Is this normal? I don't want the DCG to generate suicide missions every single time.

I think the instant missions success/failure message is a side effect of how the generator works. Go ahead and carry out your mission. (I don't know for sure, though, since I never used it very much. The thing needs an easy button.)

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER


Blistex posted:

I hope the SS/NKVD/USN/IJN strings you up for your cowardice! You're a disgrace to the Fatherland/Motherland/Republic/Empire!*

*not sure who you're playing as.

Germany. Happening on Poland and France campaigns.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

"When I see someone tilting my tables, I shoot the Bastard. That's my policy!"


Node posted:

Germany. Happening on Poland and France campaigns.

I found that the campaign generator did very much the same, but also would create maps where there would be a single column of tanks/trucks to destroy, and only a handful of enemy planes to defend them. Meanwhile I'd have my wing of stukas and we'd be escorted by 2x the number of fighters that the enemy had. One time my bombers were only a few km's from the enemy target while their fighters were all the way on the other side of the map. I think they actually ran out of fuel on their way back to their base as it was a very long distance for them to travel.

Another time I tried the DCG it generated excellent mission after excellent mission. It's sometimes a matter of "luck of the draw" what you get.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER


Blistex posted:

I found that the campaign generator did very much the same, but also would create maps where there would be a single column of tanks/trucks to destroy, and only a handful of enemy planes to defend them. Meanwhile I'd have my wing of stukas and we'd be escorted by 2x the number of fighters that the enemy had. One time my bombers were only a few km's from the enemy target while their fighters were all the way on the other side of the map. I think they actually ran out of fuel on their way back to their base as it was a very long distance for them to travel.

Another time I tried the DCG it generated excellent mission after excellent mission. It's sometimes a matter of "luck of the draw" what you get.

Thanks for the reply. Another sort of related pair of questions, if you don't mind.

1) The dive bombing manual for the Stukas on mission4today has one of the steps as "adjust trim (red marks)." Which red marks in the cockpit are they referring to?

2) If there are clouds over the target you want to dive bomb, are you hosed?

Last Emperor
Oct 30, 2009



Thanks for some of the help today guys, next time maybe I will be able to take off successfully.

Sorry that I didn't say anything, found out that my voice-chat in mumble got screwed when I had to reset to fix that bug, it wasn't me being intentionally rude I promise!

I'm sure it'll be awesome once I can actually fly.

ZwobotJones
Apr 30, 2009

Click click


Same here, thanks for letting us fly. Feels good to play this again.

Would like an invite to the group: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997450454

Edit: Thanks!

ZwobotJones fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2012 around 17:02

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

"When I see someone tilting my tables, I shoot the Bastard. That's my policy!"


Node posted:

Thanks for the reply. Another sort of related pair of questions, if you don't mind.

1) The dive bombing manual for the Stukas on mission4today has one of the steps as "adjust trim (red marks)." Which red marks in the cockpit are they referring to?

2) If there are clouds over the target you want to dive bomb, are you hosed?

The trim are the controlled surfaces on your elevators and rudders to try and keep the aircraft flying straight and level in the game. You have to set trim keys in your control input menu.

I've never used a manual for diver bombing ever since Pacific Air War in the early 90's. What I usually do is wait for the target to show up in the hole in the floor, count to 3, invert, pull up (so my nose is now pointing straight down), hit the dive brakes, and usually I'm right over the target, or at least close enough to correct. I keep the target in my gun-sights until I'm sure I have to pull up, release bombs, pull out, turn off the dive brakes, and get out of dodge.

If the aircraft doesn't have dive brakes, sometimes I'll fly beside the target so I can see it appear from under my left or right wing. I'll do a tight turn in that direction, invert, pull up (so I'm pointing down) and repeat the process described above.

If there are clouds, I'll zoom in on the map as closely as possible and go through the procedure above (if icons are turned on). If icons are off, I'll get as high as I can, while still being able to see the target and do a 1/2 assed dive bomb, which is just diving at it and releasing as close as possible. I'm usually diving at a 45 degree angle if I'm doing it this way. Just aim your gun-sights a little behind the target and release when you are close. You should be going fast as well so your bomb still follows your path to a certain degree instead of instantly going straight down.

Max Manus
Oct 25, 2004

Saboteur par excellence.

Been years since I played Il-2 online, would like to try again sometime.

Steam ID: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198050860320

pixelbaron
Mar 18, 2009



Node posted:

I'm having trouble being impressed by Lowengrin's DCG. As a dive bomber, every mission it sends me on either 1) fails before I can get off the runway, or 2) sends me into enemy territory with no escort.

Is this normal? I don't want the DCG to generate suicide missions every single time.

You have to circle the runway a couple of times as a bomber and wait for your escort to show up/take off. If you just take off and head to your objective you'll leave your escort in the dust and you'll be easy pickings. Is the game saying you failed before you take off or that you succeeded? Because there's an option in the Difficulty settings of the game that will make it so the game won't give you an instant success before you even leave the runway.

nerox
May 20, 2001


can I get an invite to the goon group?

http://steamcommunity.com/id/choppyesq

I am going to go pick up a joystick after work and play

agarjogger
May 16, 2011


This is a way cool flight sim and so much more fun than flying either F-15's or Cessnas 152's. I'm in the process of getting my keyboard bound and learning to not drop all forty parafrag bombs on myself while sitting on the runway trying to adjust the elevator trim. That most of the keys come unbound is actually a huge favor to the player, as I don't have to print out any four-page arrays or spend a week in memorization. We need to do a group B-25 bombing mission while under AA-fire and fighter attack. Is that a thing, can one guy alternately fly some and one guy man the turrets? It sounds like a loving blast. I've already got a few kills on the public servers, and spend the rest of my time spinning my P-38 around in circles on the carrier deck with engine 1. My steam name is the same as SA name (or /profiles/76561198012034565), can I have an invite to the group?

Another thing; any eyefinity/widescreen hypernerds? I have a three screen 1920x1080 setup, and am able to get the game running fine on all three with minor edits to the .ini file (conf). But I have no idea what the resolution is. Because everything gets so zoomed in when I do 5760x1080, I can actually see less on three screens than on one. I've tried most of the commands that pan, zoom, change bombsight modes, adjust the HUD, move the pilot's head/body position. But all of them result in a super zoomed-in cockpit that takes up most of all three screens. The idea behind two angled screens is to be able to look out the side windows without moving your head. All I want to do is zoooom way out. I'd love you if you can help me, but I'll keep googling.

MagnumHB
Jan 19, 2003


You can put multiple people in the same plane in Co-ops. I've participated in numerous group formation bombing missions in B-25s (among other things) over the years, so it's definitely possible. With enough practice and organization, you can get something that looks like this:



Yes, all of those planes are human flown. Turrets are AI only here though as the mission was run as a dogfight. Here's something else I've done:

JerikTelorian
Jan 18, 2007

That's right. I'm DOCTOR Light. P-H-D


agarjogger posted:

Another thing; any eyefinity/widescreen hypernerds? I have a three screen 1920x1080 setup, and am able to get the game running fine on all three with minor edits to the .ini file (conf). But I have no idea what the resolution is. Because everything gets so zoomed in when I do 5760x1080, I can actually see less on three screens than on one. I've tried most of the commands that pan, zoom, change bombsight modes, adjust the HUD, move the pilot's head/body position. But all of them result in a super zoomed-in cockpit that takes up most of all three screens. The idea behind two angled screens is to be able to look out the side windows without moving your head. All I want to do is zoooom way out. I'd love you if you can help me, but I'll keep googling.

I don't have any experience with the setup, but I know that you can change the FOV with a keybind. That might help you "back up" and see a bit more.

JerikTelorian fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2012 around 21:07

Kashwashwa
Jul 11, 2006
You'll do fine no matter what. That's my motto.

agarjogger posted:

Another thing; any eyefinity/widescreen hypernerds?

I've always used this tweak with success:

http://il2fovchanger.byethost7.com/

agarjogger
May 16, 2011


Kashwashwa posted:

I've always used this tweak with success:

http://il2fovchanger.byethost7.com/

Works great, thanks!

comaerror
Feb 11, 2008

I have a bad feeling about this...


I'll fly with you scrubs as soon as I get this reinstalled and patched up... and after I practice taking off a bit.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/cerror

edit: I forgot how many loving buttons and knobs were on my Saitek X52pro. God drat, it's going to take forever to map everything.

comaerror fucked around with this message at Jan 28, 2012 around 20:43

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009


comaerror posted:

I'll fly with you scrubs as soon as I get this reinstalled and patched up... and after I practice taking off a bit.


Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

???


Blistex posted:

You're a disgrace to the Empire!

Wait a minute

Please tell me there's a mod for that.

Oglogoth
May 16, 2010

Watching the Rangers win the series? Priceless.


I was going to install this but I bought it through Direct2Drive and it hasn't been added to the gamefly list so I guess I'll have to wait

Limp Wristed Limey
Sep 7, 2010

by Lowtax


Right my X52 should be here next week and I have upgraded IL2 to the latest version so I should be ready to rock soon.

Can I get an invite please

http://steamcommunity.com/id/LimpWristedLimey

disbest
Jun 16, 2005



Also requesting a steam group invite: http://steamcommunity.com/id/disbest

apseudonym
Feb 25, 2011



Joining the invite request party: http://steamcommunity.com/id/notanotherpseudonym

faratu
Oct 8, 2009


Also requesting a steam group invite: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/...996930869/home/

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ThePlague-Daemon
Apr 16, 2008


I'd like an invite, too: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198003996521

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